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Rachoi
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:06:00 -
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hah... i dont see why people need to worry about bringing proto gear into pub matches, unless all they really want to do is be a pubstomper, and that just makes you a target then. keep the suits cheap if you want to profit, hell, even in my ADV set up i use a fair amount of BPOs just so it stays hardened but still profitable.
Proto is ONLY profitable in the high pay area of Planetary Conquest, since they hand you somewhere around a million ISK when you play through it.
'profit over victory' is a good way to see it, but if you really want to win AND profit, you need to manage your suits and fits a bit better |
Rachoi
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:27:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Jesus Christ, nobody wants more for using proto. We want more for performance over time in battle. ...So that you can use proto in instant battles. You still haven't explained why a player fresh out of the academy wouldn't just delete the game when they can only earn a couple hundred WP at best while getting stomped over and over again. Your proposal would literally break the game mechanic that makes DUST 514 fun, interesting, and different from every other game out there (except for EVE). Go do some PC, and if your corp doesn't have the numbers, then recruit some more people. The system is balanced right now, if anything Proto is too CHEAP.
i think proto is exactly where it should be in cost/power. because you CAN reach it, but to always use will kill your wallet, no ifs, ands, or buts. honestly i would NEVER risk one of my proto suits in a pub match, because it would make me a bigger target than a Madrugar in the middle of a compound. i HUNT proto users in pubs, with my adv gear, because i want them to learn not to waste so much isk to try and pubstomp.
besides, if they made those Public fights so damned profitable, then there would be no useful FW in the future, and nobody would give a rat's ass about PC |
Rachoi
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:59:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Rachoi wrote:Vell0cet wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Jesus Christ, nobody wants more for using proto. We want more for performance over time in battle. ...So that you can use proto in instant battles. You still haven't explained why a player fresh out of the academy wouldn't just delete the game when they can only earn a couple hundred WP at best while getting stomped over and over again. Your proposal would literally break the game mechanic that makes DUST 514 fun, interesting, and different from every other game out there (except for EVE). Go do some PC, and if your corp doesn't have the numbers, then recruit some more people. The system is balanced right now, if anything Proto is too CHEAP. i think proto is exactly where it should be in cost/power. because you CAN reach it, but to always use will kill your wallet, no ifs, ands, or buts. honestly i would NEVER risk one of my proto suits in a pub match, because it would make me a bigger target than a Madrugar in the middle of a compound. i HUNT proto users in pubs, with my adv gear, because i want them to learn not to waste so much isk to try and pubstomp. besides, if they made those Public fights so damned profitable, then there would be no useful FW in the future, and nobody would give a rat's ass about PC You couldn't be more wrong. PC is the only thing worthwhile to play in the game, but it's not attainable for most of the player base. FW is actually where I'd like to see the team deploy with your corp signing up to fight for a side and reaping the benefits of LP and bigger payouts.
i would like to see the FW be improved more honestly, the issue with it though is that there is no diversity in the modes, Skirmish only tipe of stuff, and i am bored to tears with Skirmish. i want to see Skirmish 1.0, with how the true vets go on about it, maybe it would finally give some people a feel of urgency when fighting over a map
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Rachoi
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:46:00 -
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Vile Heathen wrote:It sounds like you're saying you want your cake (40-1 KDR etc), and eat it too (positive payout upon loss of HAV).
If payout is only/mostly based on war points, this would mean all the poor noobs in militia suits would get little or no share of the money. I know this game is all about capitalism and corporations and stuff, but you gotta remember that you've (I'm assuming) been here since beta. New players joining now under this new rule you're proposing would make it unappealing to newcomers.
And for fraksakes... Why would you regularly bring expensive HAVs to pub matches?!
hah, true on all points.
what the vets that run proto/HAV all the bloody time would completely ruin the game for aonyone new coming in, because of the sheer amount of grinding the newbies would need to do just to make enough to use anything that would climb the ladder. there should be a bit more pay to the board toppers of WP [for god's sake i saw a logi go 1/3 and have near 3k warpoints] and get away from the importnance of that CoD shitset of KDR, because lets face it, KRD doesn't mean jack diddly for most things, its all about the Warpoints |
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