Would I like all of this now and or yesterday? Sure. But I'd rather CCP take their time than rush things, doubly so because this game is being road mapped on a 10 year plan with no intent to discontinue development even after that mark so we're going to see continuing and consistent updates roughly ever 3-6 months plus hotfixes.

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this is exactly the reason we need a timer on the mmc that kicks you out if your not going to play get out of the fing match

I REALLY wish people would stop using this "10 year plan" as a rationalization for things sucking now.

Having a payout or WP system that functions beyond the ultimate bare bones isn't some wide eyed fantasy you should be looking forward to months or years after a game releases.

This is a critical fundamental mechanic that should have been hammered out long before the game even came out of beta but instead it's been tossed on the back burner just like the aiming/control issues and terrain issues.

Saying "don't release the game until it's done" totally makes sense to me, except when the game is slated for continuous on going development. Then there is no "done" so waiting on release accomplishes no positive gains.

MAN U-P AND DO FACTION WARFARE YOUR OWN TEAMMATES CAN KILL YOU ORBITAL STRIKES DON'T CARE WHOSE SIDE YOUR OWN

yes ccp is working on an isk scaling for war points but if you think money is going to rain from the sky in pubs your going to be disappointing the pub match were is and always will be a kiddy pool that was in the design document that was the intent during its implantation that's the way ccp is going to keep it

for god's sake
THIS IS CALLED ISK EFFICIENCY
IT'S CALLED NOT PLAYING BEYOND WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD
THERE IS SUCH A THING AS "TOO GOOD A SUIT", WHICH YOU SAVE FOR SPECIAL OCCASIONS

welcome to eve, harden the **** up, adapt or die, ect.
AND JUST DROP THE PROTO GUN OR THE PROTO SUIT BUT KEEP THE MODULES, that'll easily half your suit cost

I think the OP has confused this game with Halo. Losses are supposed to HURT in New Eden. You're not supposed to run around in the shiniest suits all the time in pub matches. It should never be affordable to wear maxed out gear in public matches and die more than once or twice, otherwise there's no point in having different tiers of gear and isk becomes meaningless.

Take EVE for example. Many people can fly expensive T3 ships, but will fly cheaper ones for less important ops. You should be nervous about loosing that proto suit, it should cause you pain, if it doesn't then the game has lost it's balance. This is what makes DUST unique and interesting, without painful losses it's just a sub-par shooter.

I'd forgotten that unless all the children of the world join together clapping and singing CCP can't get the energy to do anything.

The power of a positive attitude!

Keep dreaming. Like I said this is a fundamental part of the game, something so basic and essential to how the game itself is played it's fairly amazing it wasn't the first thing they ironed out and shocking that they "released" the game with it still in the state it is.

This isn't an issue you rationalize away by hoping that the eventual development of something tangentially related might provide some alleviation.

I'm about to start.

14-5, #2 on the board. Took out a squad of protos with an orbital.

Received a payout of 212,000 ISK. I could AFK in the the MCC and get 180,000.

A loss of about 400,000 ISK.

The alternative is to run around in BPOs and grind 15 hours a week to save money to play a few matches in my good stuff. Then cross my fingers that I get hit detection with my MD.

I'm done grinding. I can't afford to play the game on a regular basis at this rate.

Come up with a system that pays more for people that want to risk their proto gear.

I think You've confused this game with EVE, which seems to be a mistake people make pretty often around here.

I haven't played EVE that much but I'd have to wager you don't go through half a dozen ships over the course of 15-30 minutes right?

If people wanted to play EVE they would go play EVE. People here seem like they would like to play an fps and actually enjoy it rather than spend the majority of the time swearing because 2 seconds of gunfire a precision strike and a runaway truck just left them in the red and falling back on starter suits so they stop hemorrhaging money.

If the point of the game is to grind until you can use the best equipment and then never use it because it's too expensive... there's been a failure in the fundamental mechanics of the game.

The thing is you're supposed to be good enough to keep the gear by the time you can use it.

Read the OP again.

I went 14-5 against other protos, 1300 WP

That shouldn't net you a 400,000 loss. Did I say anything about not wanting to risk losing money?

I had a good game and lost 400,000 isk. That's crazy.

A tanker can go 40-1 and lose money.

It's not crazy, it's stupid.

I've grinded for 9 months, been reset twice. Racked up 12.2 million SP and I don't know how many hours on this game.

If I can't afford to run this gear if I die TWICE, then it's not worth playing.

R u serious? 14-5 is avarage at best.

I go 14-5 against protos with BPO fits and still don't consider that to be a good result

if you cant go at least 25-3 with proto, you should loose money.

R u serious? 14-5 is avarage at best.

I go 14-5 against protos with BPO fits and still don't consider that to be a good result

if you cant go at least 25-3 with proto, you should loose money.

I run STD dropsuits and consistently end up in the top five. I'm playing well and making a profit for my performace. I could probably end up in the top position every game if I ran proto level gear, BUT i don't need proto gear to end up near the top.

Why should you be rewarded more because you need proto gear to be the best?

However, I agree that something needs to be done about AFK farming. I've done it occasionally. But it is a huge blight on the game. And warpoints obtained should not be the only metric. Plenty of players attempt to gain WP, but are out played or out geared. Attempting to obtain WP (and actually participating in the game) should be enough to earn a decent payout. Actually obtaining WPs should net you more payout, but never enough to sustain the continued and repeated loss of Proto gear.