First and foremost it doesn't really consume much PG in comparison to other side arms.

Secondly you don't have to be accurate with it

Third it's too good of a side arm

Fourth it makes speccing into the mass driver useless

fifth it's a noob tube.

If I wanted to play with "one man army" and "203's" I would go back to MW2.

Fused grenades are worse.

Protoman you messing with Bonneys bread and butter!!


Oh yea and whoever thought this weapon appeared balanced in fan fest LOL!!!! Say hello to the 480 dmg direct hit weapon.

You mean... The flaylock is doing exactly what I said it would do before it came out?

It was obvious that it wasn't balanced before it came out just from the videos of it, and people complained that I was already talking about nerfing it. Now people see that it's not balanced with the other side arms, and want to nerf it.

Mind blowing.

As in consumes 0pg. Its a baby noob tube. Or actually its more of a noob tube then the mass driver which is more like the war machine.

in any case i hate both of them. my approach to them is to run straight at them and CQC them. let them kill themselves with splash.

Third it's too good of a side arm

Core Flaylock pistol used "Hit Gallente user near the feet!"
Gallente user exploded never to be seen again
Its super effective

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This thing one shotted me with one shot hitting near my feet.
I have 515 armor and 150 shields.
Grrr

You'd make a more compelling case with actual stats

Regular pistols do some pretty hefty damage with no levels in it

SMGs if you keep the target on target eat up my heavy alt with ease.

Every time i hear a flaylock i think to myself "easy kill"

You are full of crap.

Against protoplayers the Flaylock is decently balanced, but against noobies and cheap fits, it really is a noob tube.

Protoman you messing with Bonneys bread and butter!!


Oh yea and whoever thought this weapon appeared balanced in fan fest LOL!!!! Say hello to the 480 dmg direct hit weapon.

People use fuse grenades because they haven't specced up into grenades. Once you get core locus grenades you'll probably never use contact grenades again.

In terms of CPU and PG it's too good of a weapon in comparison to all other side arms. You don't really have to give up anything in order to fit the proto type variant onto a suit compared to the proto type variants of other side arms.

You have to be accurate with Nova Knives, SMG's, and Scrambler pistols in order to get kills with them. The flaylock pistol rewards players for being close enough, but not good enough. This is a bit ridiculous in a shooter.

Please tell me your're joking about that direct damage, that's comparable to proto small missile turrets for direct damage. Oh and that stupid knock back they have when fired at dropships

I skilled into it before my optional respect.... Why the hell can it be used as a light weapon. Its up to par with practically every other light weapon.

Bonney should have stuck with his scrambler pistol. I WILL NOT STAND FOR NOOB TUBES IN DUST

In what way? Clip size? Ammo when did it start out performing TACs?

He doesn't know what he's talking about ;)

It's less than half the figure he quoted...and you only get 3 shots before you have to reload.

So even a scout with 300hp needs more than 1 shot at full health if he has a decent fit. Assaults and Logis need even more shots. And again, you only have 3 before you're out of the game for 2.5sec. An AR can pump out a crazy amount of damage in 2.5sec...as can the other sidearm that can continue firing while you have to reload.

Go eat a ****! Bonney is one of your worst players and needs all the help he can get.

It was already nerfed, when it didn't get the 10% bonus every other weapon got.

Then again, it probably didn't need it. The poor plasma cannon on the other hand...

I could post up the stats in comparison to other side arms in terms of CPU/PG, but CCP and the CPM already know this.

You have apparently not played with or against bonney.

Over all it somehow is able to out perform other weapons when going 1v1 with them.

In terms of CPU and PG it's too good of a weapon in comparison to all other side arms. You don't really have to give up anything in order to fit the proto type variant onto a suit compared to the proto type variants of other side arms.

I've been OHKed by a flaylock with 461 shields and 90 armor, so it's stats and what it actually does are quite different. Heck, I don't even think it was a direct hit either, just splash.

First and foremost it doesn't really consume much PG in comparison to other side arms.

Secondly you don't have to be accurate with it

Third it's too good of a side arm

Fourth it makes speccing into the mass driver useless

fifth it's a noob tube.

If I wanted to play with "one man army" and "203's" I would go back to MW2.

You must be joking. The radius on it is so small it mainly only works as a direct shot. Considering it is a ballistic shot that takes time to get to the enemy I think that makes it far from a noob weapon. If you can aim well and put it on the person then you deserve the good damage you do, especially with such a tiny clip.

It is a great weapon that is balanced well. I do not use it though, I find it easier to use an SMG.

This game gets more broken everyday, this week I've seen a huge influx of People running around with Core Flaylock's thinking their the Omega.

Duvolle Flaylock Sniper x Mario Cart 514

Total bull****

You mean... The flaylock is doing exactly what I said it would do before it came out?

It was obvious that it wasn't balanced before it came out just from the videos of it, and people complained that I was already talking about nerfing it. Now people see that it's not balanced with the other side arms, and want to nerf it.

Mind blowing.

Do they stack splash and direct damage? I swear I've been two shot by them and I have just a little over 1000 EHP.....

seen a proto heavy 3-shot by it...

seen a proto heavy 3-shot by it...

The Flaylock is a semi auto noob tube period. With over 550 hp I get blasted from 50 meters in 2 shots. Clearly broken OP gun is OP. Yes I do hate the gun and the proto going 30-2 with it. But I still enjoy Dust, and killing those scrubs with flaylocks has kept me entertained this past week. Its seems many have respeced into the flaylock grenade launcher. Duh.. people are flaylocking all over the place. Also nobody seems to miss me with any shots that I can recall. Its seems very easy to use from my view. No I do not have the SP to shoot back nades with. Enjoy your flaylock now before its nerfed.. SOON.

how is that job at CCP going?... oh thats right you are talking out your ***

The Flaylock is a semi auto noob tube period. With over 550 hp I get blasted from 50 meters in 2 shots. Clearly broken OP gun is OP. Yes I do hate the gun and the proto going 30-2 with it. But I still enjoy Dust, and killing those scrubs with flaylocks has kept me entertained this past week. Its seems many have respeced into the flaylock grenade launcher. Duh.. people are flaylocking all over the place. Also nobody seems to miss me with any shots that I can recall. Its seems very easy to use from my view. No I do not have the SP to shoot back nades with. Enjoy your flaylock now before its nerfed.. SOON.

First and foremost it doesn't really consume much PG in comparison to other side arms.

Secondly you don't have to be accurate with it

Third it's too good of a side arm

Fourth it makes speccing into the mass driver useless

fifth it's a noob tube.

If I wanted to play with "one man army" and "203's" I would go back to MW2.

Flaylock will get the hammer, it's currently the easiest to use sidearm that can full on replace a light weapon in pretty much any situation outside of sniping, though those things have some nasty range on them too.

At least SMGs and Pistols require you to, you know, aim.

Flaylock will get the hammer, it's currently the easiest to use sidearm that can full on replace a light weapon in pretty much any situation outside of sniping, though those things have some nasty range on them too.

At least SMGs and Pistols require you to, you know, aim.

Have you even played with it?

I've played against it and tested the ****** ones, CCP doesn't encourage individual diversity so I'm locked into my build for another 3 months while I finish it off.

I play against them though.

A LOT.

Every match, I hear that stupid little pop all over the place.

Jin, shut up. I was on the same boat as you, and I have said repeatedly that the flaylock is an issue. Just.

Shut up.

Dont think I will. You have just said you only see the kill feed and hear the popping? Thats your information? Ridiculous.

Protoman you messing with Bonneys bread and butter!!


Oh yea and whoever thought this weapon appeared balanced in fan fest LOL!!!! Say hello to the 480 dmg direct hit weapon.

Transfer over the SP for me to test it and I'll play with it all week.

Otherwise, I'll go off watching anyone using it getting lots of kills and using it as their primary weapon. There are lots of them going around, and I hardly even play anymore. Every match. It's not like those couple of people who rock SMGs or Pistols and get descent scores, those are generally talented players.

I see 3 things most consistently these days.

Caldari Logis
Flaylocks
LAVs

crystal balls now tell you the talent levels of players? or are you assuming? jk on the question, i know you are assuming.

Scores at the end of the match, corps, and leaderboards tell me the talent level of players.

Also people who use weapons that require effort tend to have more talent then those who use weapons that only require you to hit somewhere near the targets feet.

Particularly when it's a sidearm.

that post is beyond sooo ridiculous

The truth hurts the worst

When some of the best players in the game come together and say that something is way too strong and requires little skill to use, and then randoms come in and defend said weapon, I tend to side with the players who have a wealth of not only FPS experience, but DUST experience.

So. Yea. Noob tube.

thats your problem, you act as if 'better" players opinions matter more. get over yourself buddy

I learned this lesson the hard way in Starcraft 2

More tallented players don't have opinions that matter more, they have opinions that are more seated in fact and mechanics. They have a better grasp of the underpinnings of their given game, as well as their genre. "Better" players tend to have more knowledge through first hand experience, or through playing closely with others who have first hand experience.

So, while a fat person and a skinny person matter just the same as people, the skinny person is probably gonna get picked when it comes to running the marathon.

And why am I getting over myself again? I ******* suck at this game. For some reason I still top the leaderboards in most of my pub matches, but I'm a pub scrub, and pubs are for scrubs :/

The truth hurts the worst

When some of the best players in the game come together and say that something is way too strong and requires little skill to use, and then randoms come in and defend said weapon, I tend to side with the players who have a wealth of not only FPS experience, but DUST experience.

So. Yea. Noob tube.

skill at fps does not equate a more logical person, wow really? any player who plays has "first hand experience" and an opinion. so leet you are

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

you must be one of the royalty whose opinions matter.

so these "better" players with better opinion that would balance the game...these wouldnt be the cali logi AR users...TAR users?

If you feel my opinions matter, it's because I use common sense.

thats also a matter of opinion

I am not sure what the complaints are all about I only been killed ONCE by a flaylock since they been out and it took three shots to the back as a heavy hacking C on the biomass facility.

Plasma Cannons have scored more kills on me than the flaylock so far.

Also Scrambler > Flaylock.

Surprised that nobody realized that this is just the MD argument all over again. History repeats itself...

Has the mass driver ever done as much damage as the flaylock?

Serious question, I've only ever played around with MD in the past for giggles. Also I know for damn sure the MD takes a more practiced hand to land your shots at range / without killing yourself up close.

You're starting to get it. We're dealing with a weapon that deals damage proportionate to its clip size/ammo capacity. MD in Chrome dealt so much damage because it had a limited clip size and terrible battlefield longevity. The only balancing factor for having such a large blast radius was the slow moving projectile and arcing trajectory. The FP has an even smaller clip size, barely any splash, and a short range yet people expect that little bastard to tickle or something.

When some of the best players in the game come together and say that something is way too strong and requires little skill to use, and then randoms come in and defend said weapon, I tend to side with the players who have a wealth of not only FPS experience, but DUST experience.

So. Yea. Noob tube.

But that is the intended purpose of a noob tube, it is supposed to be a low skill high reward weapon.

Why on earth is its splash damage as high as it's direct? O.o

Why is that necessary?

We're getting faster weapon switching in 1.2, so you effectively will have a 6 round burst if you decide to equip two, as I'm sure a number of people will / do.

This thing instant kills scouts, and probably makes logis and assaults sad, though as a heavy I don't know that first hand. What I do know is I lure those stupid little rocket panzies into a cooked grenade if I don't randomly hear pop pop pop and die as I'm trying to waddle away or figure out how to turn in their general direction.

Why on earth is its splash damage as high as it's direct? O.o

Why is that necessary?

We're getting faster weapon switching in 1.2, so you effectively will have a 6 round burst if you decide to equip two, as I'm sure a number of people will / do.

This thing instant kills scouts, and probably makes logis and assaults sad, though as a heavy I don't know that first hand. What I do know is I lure those stupid little rocket panzies into a cooked grenade if I don't randomly hear pop pop pop and die as I'm trying to waddle away or figure out how to turn in their general direction.

Because killing through splash is it's main purpose... duh

That's a horrible philosophy because skilled players will start using it and just wreck the noobs trying to collect easy kills.

We already have a light weapon for noobs, it's called an LAV.

I got wrecked by a weapon that only has 3 shots

Ok, so why is its direct so high if its main purpose is to kill through splash?

And honestly, I personally see the flaylock as having a weaker splash with a strong direct, promoting skill instead of spam :/

Why a pro would use any side arm besides a scrambler is beyond me. Not that they need a side arm anyway, a person whose good with an AR would wipe the floor the an FP player anywday.

So, then why are they called noob tubes again?

They're called noob tubes as a reference to the original noob tube in CoD, which was in essence a weapon used to balance that game for skill, making it an actual noob tube. Now when people see any explosive weapon in other games, they refer to it as a noob tube.

So, then why are they called noob tubes again?

Why would we give it lower direct...yeah, lets punish skill now

Yes, balance for skill, see, someone gets it.

Oh no, but clearly this is illogical because vets can turn the Noobtubes against their rightful masters

It's an insult, not a description Well, I guess it can be both

Doesn't matter to me anyways, I use the perfectly balanced and not even slightly favored weapon now, the AR. It only took me a year of testing literally every single other playstyle that DUST has to offer (aside from assaults, never once skilled into them), to some extent. And it's not because I really even want it.

I just want a weapon that's always going to be useful, will always be simple to use, no matter how much recoil or dispersion they slap on it in a drunken rage. Hell, even overheat or jamming, which SHOULD be on it, won't make it any harder to use.

It just boggles my mind when a sidearm is so damn good.

So basically I built my character around CCPs design tendencies, not my own personal preferences, since I'd rather not have to ride to broken bus all the way to the promised land :/ (or at least be at the front, instead of the back)

How often do you think people die to the FP outside of 30m?

Just use the SMG, it will never get nerfed, and if it does, scramblers will go down first

496 for headshots in the hand of a pro?

Just use the SMG

I'm a heavy

You poor thing

I've played against it and tested the ****** ones, CCP doesn't encourage individual diversity so I'm locked into my build for another 3 months while I finish it off.

I play against them though.

A LOT.

Every match, I hear that stupid little pop all over the place.

Jin, shut up. I was on the same boat as you, and I have said repeatedly that the flaylock is an issue. Just.

Shut up.

Basically all I'm saying is being able to shoot the ground and collect kills with a sidearm is kind of silly.


I just tend to think that these few people getting good scores with SMGs tend to be putting in a lot more effort than FP, and the Scrambler Pistol, while its headshot damage is probably too high, is definitely one of the higher skilled weapons to use.

Enjoy

Personally, don't care about the QQ, but I would love to see the flaylock become something that fires slower, but with a whirling a miniature rocket kind of accuracy, rpg-essque weapon. The sort of weapon that an Space Ork might use...you know pistol with some mega-dakka...or in this case 'splodey.

Flaylock + Ground/Feet = WIN

Right? I'm a scout first and a pilot second, but CCP managed to crush those dreams out of me.

Now the lolmando looks like a badly thrown together joke, from what we've seen so far.....what upsets me the most though....is that I'll probably still do just fine with my basic heavy and an AR

I rarely even touch my proto fit, the Gek is more than enough for just about any engagement, though I flail around like a blind seal if people get too close to me

Should spec into dem 'locks

btw, I think you need to seek professional help :P

Protoman you messing with Bonneys bread and butter!!


Oh yea and whoever thought this weapon appeared balanced in fan fest LOL!!!! Say hello to the 480 dmg direct hit weapon.

Flaylock + Ground/Feet = WIN

This game has become more about explosives than anything else. It allows for the "gayest" of deaths....and I'm just annoyed beyond tolerance at this point.

Check this story:
I've engaged an enemy close quarters.....less than 2m from each other. He launched 3 contact grenades at the ground between us. He is jumping around like a rabbit after each explosion. I am able to survive and dodge all 3 grenades, somhow. You know what he does after that? He switch to his flaylock and launch 3 more explosives at me.

Whatever happened to the good ol' days where guys shoot it out and let the best 1v1 gungame win? It's 'whatever' at this point..really.

First and foremost it doesn't really consume much PG in comparison to other side arms.

Secondly you don't have to be accurate with it

Third it's too good of a side arm

Fourth it makes speccing into the mass driver useless

fifth it's a noob tube.

If I wanted to play with "one man army" and "203's" I would go back to MW2.

When of the(self proclaimed) best players in the game cant adapt, you know CCP are moving in the right direction.

How can it be a newb tube if noobs can't have access to it until they get enough SP, which by that time they will no longer be newbs.

Remember. People are NOT complaining about Flaylock Pistols. They are complain SPECIFICALLY about the Core Flaylock.

When of the(self proclaimed) best players in the game cant adapt, you know CCP are moving in the right direction.

Did anyone else "smh" after reading this?

How can it be a newb tube if noobs can't have access to it until they get enough SP, which by that time they will no longer be newbs.

Remember. People are NOT complaining about Flaylock Pistols. They are complain SPECIFICALLY about the Core Flaylock.

i laughed, i have seen a few of you proto bears in pub matches, now your crying.

I can imagine tanked heavies don't have much issues with it.

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If I wanted to play with "one man army" and "203's" I would go back to MW2.

i laughed, i have seen a few of you proto bears in pub matches, now your crying.

Regular pistols do some pretty hefty damage with no levels in it

SMGs if you keep the target on target eat up my heavy alt with ease.

Every time i hear a flaylock i think to myself "easy kill"

You are full of crap.

Wow, pwning proto suits with proto weaponry... Are you a wizard?

Also, *you're

If you complain about a weapon being over powered, don't be the one in full proto getting owned by a militia suit. Thats embarrassment for you, even if you can afford. Skill and squading up beats proto gear and overpowered weapons any day case closed

I endorse core flaylock, and im not talking about that Aurum trash.

I don't lose 1v1sby a dude in MLT gear while I'm in a proto suit...I don't know who you are referring to but don't direct that here. MLT has to jump me or shoot me in the back if they want a chance at killing me in a proto suit. Or some circumstance like if my health was really low, etc

I dont even lose 1v1s in an adv suit to mlt gear, for that matter.

A question:

What is the point of having a commando suit with two light weapon slots, when you can already equip a flaylock in a side arm slot? Is the commando suit going to have enough PG to reasonable fit a second light weapon that is better than a Core Flaylock for 2 PG?

Anti vehicle.....swarm launcher and AR

You make a good point. But it is going to end up being a niche suit like Amarr Logi(Sniping). If they decided to give it gimp PG, it won't even be able to function properly in an AV role. And the Core Flaylock eliminates almost every other use that one can come up with for the suit.

Well, I'm going to wait and see...if they make it a practical suit, then the murder lav will be less of a problem

I don't lose 1v1sby a dude in MLT gear while I'm in a proto suit...I don't know who you are referring to but don't direct that here. MLT has to jump me or shoot me in the back if they want a chance at killing me in a proto suit. Or some circumstance like if my health was really low, etc

I dont even lose 1v1s in an adv suit to mlt gear, for that matter.

Going to take more than a suit to fix those :(. Unless it makes LAVs blow up on impact. Can impact damage return be the Commando class skill? Please?

I'm sorry but that's the worst idea I've heard yet for balancing a weapon, isn't the aiming already bad enough as is? And the speed of the shooting needs to stay the same, there's only there's rounds.

Imagine how many people would pick up a weapon that you couldn't guarantee where the round would land, it would be the most broken weapon in the game.

250 for a direct hit with the core flaylock, 396 for a proto scrambler head-shot

Now, if you not-"noobs"/vets/pros had the skills to actually use the scrambler properly, I'm sure you wouldn't be bitching about Flaylocks, but since you obviously don't... how about you use the flaylock?

ITT, bunch of scrubs complaining about flaylocks cause they're not as 733t as they thought they were

AR is the biggest noob tube in the game. It's the easiest handheld weapon to kill with by a fair margin.

Is this guy serious?

Edit: Is this guy AND the guy that gave him a 'like' serious?

First and foremost it doesn't really consume much PG in comparison to other side arms.

Secondly you don't have to be accurate with it

Third it's too good of a side arm

Fourth it makes speccing into the mass driver useless

fifth it's a noob tube.

If I wanted to play with "one man army" and "203's" I would go back to MW2.

Edit: Is this guy AND the guy that gave him a 'like' serious?

You call players, "scrubs", that actually have to aim and hit the target in order to kill them? I guess only skilled players use flaylocks

We are. The AR is pathetically easy to use.

No it's not, you have to like... aim

CCP, you have the power to fix this right now. Don't go over board, don't nerf it into the ground until 1.3, but fix the PG requirements of the core flaylock right now. Simple item fix. You have the power and the gun is clearly broken. Pretty clear to anyone who actually cares about game balance that it should be more in line with other side arms.

Hell, I am sure the player base would be happy with an incremental fix until you find the right balance. But you need to start moving that PG number up right away.