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Orion Vahid
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:41:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Core Flaylock pistol used "Hit Gallente user near the feet!" Gallente user exploded never to be seen again Its super effective
This thing one shotted me with one shot hitting near my feet. I have 515 armor and 150 shields. Grrr Total bull**** Gallente suit with 515 armor? Heavy is officially useless to spec into now |
Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:52:00 -
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Selinate deux wrote:You mean... The flaylock is doing exactly what I said it would do before it came out?
It was obvious that it wasn't balanced before it came out just from the videos of it, and people complained that I was already talking about nerfing it. Now people see that it's not balanced with the other side arms, and want to nerf it.
Mind blowing.
The mass driver needs a slight buff, while proto level flaylocks need a nerf. (back down to 1.5 meters) |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4113
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:53:00 -
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Do they stack splash and direct damage? I swear I've been two shot by them and I have just a little over 1000 EHP..... |
Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2013.06.26 16:59:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Do they stack splash and direct damage? I swear I've been two shot by them and I have just a little over 1000 EHP.....
seen a proto heavy 3-shot by it... |
xLTShinySidesx
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
441
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:07:00 -
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Lightning Bolt2 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Do they stack splash and direct damage? I swear I've been two shot by them and I have just a little over 1000 EHP..... seen a proto heavy 3-shot by it...
All 3 shots must've been direct hits(and im still skeptical), I have prof to lvl 5 in the flaylock and I still need to use my scrambler rifle on a heavy to get his shields down before I can three shot him, even direct hits.... The heavies shields are near impossible to break with the flaylock, hell, even good caldari toons I can't kill with three direct hits if there shields are full.
Scrambler rifle from range till shields are gone then the flaylock is a heavy killer but the flaylock alone? Not so much.
It all comes down to the shields on the enemy and how they're fitted, shield cats can generally kill a flaylock before they get killed because after three shots they have to reload and the first three just got their shields down. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4116
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:09:00 -
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Lightning Bolt2 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Do they stack splash and direct damage? I swear I've been two shot by them and I have just a little over 1000 EHP..... seen a proto heavy 3-shot by it...
I know for a fact my proto heavy has been 3 shot, but I don't fit tank. Either way, is it possible to NOT get a direct hit on heavies?
Oh, and LOLMANDO |
Eklipsch
Crimson Ravens Lokun Listamenn
2
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:23:00 -
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The Flaylock is a semi auto noob tube period. With over 550 hp I get blasted from 50 meters in 2 shots. Clearly broken OP gun is OP. Yes I do hate the gun and the proto going 30-2 with it. But I still enjoy Dust, and killing those scrubs with flaylocks has kept me entertained this past week. Its seems many have respeced into the flaylock grenade launcher. Duh.. people are flaylocking all over the place. Also nobody seems to miss me with any shots that I can recall. Its seems very easy to use from my view. No I do not have the SP to shoot back nades with. Enjoy your flaylock now before its nerfed.. SOON. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
1091
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:25:00 -
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Eklipsch wrote:The Flaylock is a semi auto noob tube period. With over 550 hp I get blasted from 50 meters in 2 shots. Clearly broken OP gun is OP. Yes I do hate the gun and the proto going 30-2 with it. But I still enjoy Dust, and killing those scrubs with flaylocks has kept me entertained this past week. Its seems many have respeced into the flaylock grenade launcher. Duh.. people are flaylocking all over the place. Also nobody seems to miss me with any shots that I can recall. Its seems very easy to use from my view. No I do not have the SP to shoot back nades with. Enjoy your flaylock now before its nerfed.. SOON. how is that job at CCP going?... oh thats right you are talking out your ***
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4118
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:28:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:how is that job at CCP going?... oh thats right you are talking out your ***
Flaylock will get the hammer, it's currently the easiest to use sidearm that can full on replace a light weapon in pretty much any situation outside of sniping, though those things have some nasty range on them too.
At least SMGs and Pistols require you to, you know, aim. |
xLTShinySidesx
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
442
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:29:00 -
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Eklipsch wrote:The Flaylock is a semi auto noob tube period. With over 550 hp I get blasted from 50 meters in 2 shots. Clearly broken OP gun is OP. Yes I do hate the gun and the proto going 30-2 with it. But I still enjoy Dust, and killing those scrubs with flaylocks has kept me entertained this past week. Its seems many have respeced into the flaylock grenade launcher. Duh.. people are flaylocking all over the place. Also nobody seems to miss me with any shots that I can recall. Its seems very easy to use from my view. No I do not have the SP to shoot back nades with. Enjoy your flaylock now before its nerfed.. SOON.
50 meters?
If you can't kill a flaylocker from 50 meters before he kills you, you're bad at this game.
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Colonel Killar
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
46
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:31:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:First and foremost it doesn't really consume much PG in comparison to other side arms.
Secondly you don't have to be accurate with it
Third it's too good of a side arm
Fourth it makes speccing into the mass driver useless
fifth it's a noob tube.
If I wanted to play with "one man army" and "203's" I would go back to MW2. there's your problem |
xLTShinySidesx
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
442
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:31:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:how is that job at CCP going?... oh thats right you are talking out your ***
Flaylock will get the hammer, it's currently the easiest to use sidearm that can full on replace a light weapon in pretty much any situation outside of sniping, though those things have some nasty range on them too. At least SMGs and Pistols require you to, you know, aim.
They're a mid ranged weapon, anything over that the round automatically explodes mid air, they don't have "nasty range"
Have you even played with it? |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
1094
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:33:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:how is that job at CCP going?... oh thats right you are talking out your ***
Flaylock will get the hammer, it's currently the easiest to use sidearm that can full on replace a light weapon in pretty much any situation outside of sniping, though those things have some nasty range on them too. At least SMGs and Pistols require you to, you know, aim. hahaha, when i suggested logis lose their light slot, people said it would make them useless offensively. But now apparently the sidearm flaylock can out preform all light weapons, troll on |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4118
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:33:00 -
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xLTShinySidesx wrote:Have you even played with it? I've played against it and tested the ****** ones, CCP doesn't encourage individual diversity so I'm locked into my build for another 3 months while I finish it off.
I play against them though.
A LOT.
Every match, I hear that stupid little pop all over the place.
Jin, shut up. I was on the same boat as you, and I have said repeatedly that the flaylock is an issue. Just.
Shut up. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
1094
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:35:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:xLTShinySidesx wrote:Have you even played with it? I've played against it and tested the ****** ones, CCP doesn't encourage individual diversity so I'm locked into my build for another 3 months while I finish it off. I play against them though. A LOT. Every match, I hear that stupid little pop all over the place. Jin, shut up. I was on the same boat as you, and I have said repeatedly that the flaylock is an issue. Just. Shut up. Dont think I will. You have just said you only see the kill feed and hear the popping? Thats your information? Ridiculous. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4118
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:38:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Dont think I will. You have just said you only see the kill feed and hear the popping? Thats your information? Ridiculous. Transfer over the SP for me to test it and I'll play with it all week.
Otherwise, I'll go off watching anyone using it getting lots of kills and using it as their primary weapon. There are lots of them going around, and I hardly even play anymore. Every match.
I see 3 things most consistently these days.
Caldari Logis Flaylocks LAVs |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:41:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:First and foremost it doesn't really consume much PG in comparison to other side arms.
Secondly you don't have to be accurate with it
Third it's too good of a side arm
Fourth it makes speccing into the mass driver useless
fifth it's a noob tube.
If I wanted to play with "one man army" and "203's" I would go back to MW2. Protoman you messing with Bonneys bread and butter!! Oh yea and whoever thought this weapon appeared balanced in fan fest LOL!!!! Say hello to the 480 dmg direct hit weapon. anyone who though this would be balanced is crazy new items in dust 514 have only 2 settings incredibly worthless or incredibly op |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
1095
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:45:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Dont think I will. You have just said you only see the kill feed and hear the popping? Thats your information? Ridiculous. Transfer over the SP for me to test it and I'll play with it all week. Otherwise, I'll go off watching anyone using it getting lots of kills and using it as their primary weapon. There are lots of them going around, and I hardly even play anymore. Every match. It's not like those couple of people who rock SMGs or Pistols and get descent scores, those are generally talented players. I see 3 things most consistently these days. Caldari Logis Flaylocks LAVs crystal balls now tell you the talent levels of players? or are you assuming? jk on the question, i know you are assuming. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4118
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:46:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:crystal balls now tell you the talent levels of players? or are you assuming? jk on the question, i know you are assuming. Scores at the end of the match, corps, and leaderboards tell me the talent level of players.
Also people who use weapons that require effort tend to have more talent then those who use weapons that only require you to hit somewhere near the targets feet.
Particularly when it's a sidearm. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
1095
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:49:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:crystal balls now tell you the talent levels of players? or are you assuming? jk on the question, i know you are assuming. Scores at the end of the match, corps, and leaderboards tell me the talent level of players. Also people who use weapons that require effort tend to have more talent then those who use weapons that only require you to hit somewhere near the targets feet. Particularly when it's a sidearm. that post is beyond sooo ridiculous |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4118
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:51:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:that post is beyond sooo ridiculous The truth hurts the worst
When some of the best players in the game come together and say that something is way too strong and requires little skill to use, and then randoms come in and defend said weapon, I tend to side with the players who have a wealth of not only FPS experience, but DUST experience.
So. Yea. Noob tube. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
1095
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:52:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:that post is beyond sooo ridiculous The truth hurts the worst When some of the best players in the game come together and say that something is way too strong and requires little skill to use, and then randoms come in and defend said weapon, I tend to side with the players who have a wealth of not only FPS experience, but DUST experience. So. Yea. Noob tube. thats your problem, you act as if 'better" players opinions matter more. get over yourself buddy
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4118
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:55:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:thats your problem, you act as if 'better" players opinions matter more. get over yourself buddy
I learned this lesson the hard way in Starcraft 2
More tallented players don't have opinions that matter more, they have opinions that are more seated in fact and mechanics. They have a better grasp of the underpinnings of their given game, as well as their genre. "Better" players tend to have more knowledge through first hand experience, or through playing closely with others who have first hand experience.
So, while a fat person and a skinny person matter just the same as people, the skinny person is probably gonna get picked when it comes to running the marathon.
And why am I getting over myself again? I ******* suck at this game. For some reason I still top the leaderboards in most of my pub matches, but I'm a pub scrub, and pubs are for scrubs :/ |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
1095
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:57:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:thats your problem, you act as if 'better" players opinions matter more. get over yourself buddy
I learned this lesson the hard way in Starcraft 2 More tallented players don't have opinions that matter more, they have opinions that are more seated in fact and mechanics. They have a better grasp of the underpinnings of their given game, as well as their genre. "Better" players tend to have more knowledge through first hand experience, or through playing closely with others who have first hand experience. So, while a fat person and a skinny person matter just the same as people, the skinny person is probably gonna get picked when it comes to running the marathon. And why am I getting over myself again? I ******* suck at this game. For some reason I still top the leaderboards in most of my pub matches, but I'm a pub scrub, and pubs are for scrubs :/ skill at fps does not equate a more logical person, wow really? any player who plays has "first hand experience" and an opinion. so leet you are |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
2116
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Posted - 2013.06.26 17:58:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:that post is beyond sooo ridiculous The truth hurts the worst When some of the best players in the game come together and say that something is way too strong and requires little skill to use, and then randoms come in and defend said weapon, I tend to side with the players who have a wealth of not only FPS experience, but DUST experience. So. Yea. Noob tube. A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4118
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Posted - 2013.06.26 18:00:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:skill at fps does not equate a more logical person, wow really? any player who plays has "first hand experience" and an opinion. so leet you are No but it does equate to more accurate feedback.
Noobs don't fully understand why their given weapon is so good or bad, or if their shots are being registered or if they're just missing. And you're also putting words in my mouth, as I never said anything being logical.
Two people get into HAVs. The first drives off a cliff, takes a bunch of damage, then charges into enemy lines with his rail tank.
The other sits near cover, communicates with his squad, and focuses on key targets.
Both have first hand experience.
Who has more accurate feedback when it comes to the efficiency and proper operation of an HAV? |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
1095
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Posted - 2013.06.26 18:01:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:that post is beyond sooo ridiculous The truth hurts the worst When some of the best players in the game come together and say that something is way too strong and requires little skill to use, and then randoms come in and defend said weapon, I tend to side with the players who have a wealth of not only FPS experience, but DUST experience. So. Yea. Noob tube. A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. you must be one of the royalty whose opinions matter.
so these "better" players with better opinion that would balance the game...these wouldnt be the cali logi AR users...TAR users?
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4118
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Posted - 2013.06.26 18:03:00 -
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Here's a descent example |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
2116
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Posted - 2013.06.26 18:05:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Cosgar wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:that post is beyond sooo ridiculous The truth hurts the worst When some of the best players in the game come together and say that something is way too strong and requires little skill to use, and then randoms come in and defend said weapon, I tend to side with the players who have a wealth of not only FPS experience, but DUST experience. So. Yea. Noob tube. A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. you must be one of the royalty whose opinions matter. so these "better" players with better opinion that would balance the game...these wouldnt be the cali logi AR users...TAR users? If you feel my opinions matter, it's because I use common sense. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
1095
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Posted - 2013.06.26 18:06:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Cosgar wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:that post is beyond sooo ridiculous The truth hurts the worst When some of the best players in the game come together and say that something is way too strong and requires little skill to use, and then randoms come in and defend said weapon, I tend to side with the players who have a wealth of not only FPS experience, but DUST experience. So. Yea. Noob tube. A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. you must be one of the royalty whose opinions matter. so these "better" players with better opinion that would balance the game...these wouldnt be the cali logi AR users...TAR users? If you feel my opinions matter, it's because I use common sense. thats also a matter of opinion
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