DUST Search - Flalock pistol is a noob tube

R'adeh Hunt wrote:

gbghg wrote:

semperfi1999 wrote:

xprotoman23 wrote:

First and foremost it doesn't really consume much PG in comparison to other side arms.

Secondly you don't have to be accurate with it

Third it's too good of a side arm

Fourth it makes speccing into the mass driver useless

fifth it's a noob tube.

If I wanted to play with "one man army" and "203's" I would go back to MW2.

Protoman you messing with Bonneys bread and butter!!

Oh yea and whoever thought this weapon appeared balanced in fan fest LOL!!!! Say hello to the 480 dmg direct hit weapon.

Please tell me your're joking about that direct damage, that's comparable to proto small missile turrets for direct damage. Oh and that stupid knock back they have when fired at dropships

He doesn't know what he's talking about ;)

It's less than half the figure he quoted...and you only get 3 shots before you have to reload.

So even a scout with 300hp needs more than 1 shot at full health if he has a decent fit. Assaults and Logis need even more shots. And again, you only have 3 before you're out of the game for 2.5sec. An AR can pump out a crazy amount of damage in 2.5sec...as can the other sidearm that can continue firing while you have to reload.

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Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 737	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:46:00 - [31] - Quote Exaggerated nerf troll thread is fail. Maybe saying it can splash damage 700 and direct damage 480 did more to harm the nerf flaylock mission than it helped.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 737	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:50:00 - [32] - Quote Xender17 wrote: I skilled into it before my optional respect.... Why the hell can it be used as a light weapon. Its up to par with practically every other light weapon. In what way? Clip size? Ammo when did it start out performing TACs?
psyanyde Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:54:00 - [33] - Quote 3 shots small radius reload time people moving people jumping people shield tanking Small bumps in the ground negating blast damage Ammo ghosting thru people on a direct hit short range People shooting at you with ARs/SMGs/HMGs/Pistols eg: people with way more shoots to let off before they need to reload. While it does pack a punch, there's more distinct disadvantages to the weapon than pros. If it were a so called 'noobtube' you'd see more kills on the feed I would imagine. To date I've heard more people firing shots than seeing them getting kills.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 91	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:55:00 - [34] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: First and foremost it doesn't really consume much PG in comparison to other side arms. Secondly you don't have to be accurate with it Third it's too good of a side arm Fourth it makes speccing into the mass driver useless fifth it's a noob tube. If I wanted to play with "one man army" and "203's" I would go back to MW2. Protoman you messing with Bonneys bread and butter!! Oh yea and whoever thought this weapon appeared balanced in fan fest LOL!!!! Say hello to the 480 dmg direct hit weapon. Bonney should have stuck with his scrambler pistol. I WILL NOT STAND FOR NOOB TUBES IN DUST Go eat a ****! Bonney is one of your worst players and needs all the help he can get.
Xender17 Murderz for hire 126	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:56:00 - [35] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Xender17 wrote: I skilled into it before my optional respect.... Why the hell can it be used as a light weapon. Its up to par with practically every other light weapon. In what way? Clip size? Ammo when did it start out performing TACs? Over all it somehow is able to out perform other weapons when going 1v1 with them.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 479	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:57:00 - [36] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: gbghg wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: First and foremost it doesn't really consume much PG in comparison to other side arms. Secondly you don't have to be accurate with it Third it's too good of a side arm Fourth it makes speccing into the mass driver useless fifth it's a noob tube. If I wanted to play with "one man army" and "203's" I would go back to MW2. Protoman you messing with Bonneys bread and butter!! Oh yea and whoever thought this weapon appeared balanced in fan fest LOL!!!! Say hello to the 480 dmg direct hit weapon. Please tell me your're joking about that direct damage, that's comparable to proto small missile turrets for direct damage. Oh and that stupid knock back they have when fired at dropships He doesn't know what he's talking about ;) It's less than half the figure he quoted...and you only get 3 shots before you have to reload. So even a scout with 300hp needs more than 1 shot at full health if he has a decent fit. Assaults and Logis need even more shots. And again, you only have 3 before you're out of the game for 2.5sec. An AR can pump out a crazy amount of damage in 2.5sec...as can the other sidearm that can continue firing while you have to reload. Actually you dont know what your talking about. The damage on the flaylock is as follows. 250 dmg for a directly hit and 230 dmg AOE (explosive radius dmg). In Dust weapons that have direct dmg and splash dmg have both of those dmgs added together for a hit. IE mass driver for a direct hit does MASSIVE dmg because it has the direct dmg plus the AOE dmgs. So 250 direct dmg and 230 splash ends up with 480 dmg from a direct hit. Now its considered an explosive so it does less dmg to shields. I believe explosive damage only does 80% against shields??? Correct me if I am wrong on that number. So direct hit on shields would be 384 dmg. But it does additional dmg to armor. Explosive dmg to armor is +25% which is 600 dmg for a direct hit. If you dont believe me you can go test it out yourself. Or your can even view the fan fest video showing the flaylock. You will notice on the fanfest video that the flaylock was 1 shotting heavies who had full armor but no shields. A heavy with no armor mods has 405 armor (now remember in fanfest everyone was fully lvled up so the heavy would have had the 25% bonus to armor which actually brings that amount to 506 armor hp). And you can clearly see a direct hit on at least 2 occasions killing the heavy in 1 shot. Like I said I dont care if you believe me or not. I have the proof right in front of me. And I play regularly with Bonney who uses them and he was skeptical at first but after using it he mentioned that he noticed the same thing the dmg done by a direct hit is MUCH MUCH greater than the dmg done by splash alone. If you look at the numbers noted the difference of 20 damage is pretty small to be able to notice a huge difference between a direct hit and a hit by splash. BTW a direct hit from the flaylock will insta kill 99% of the scouts.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 479	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:58:00 - [37] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: First and foremost it doesn't really consume much PG in comparison to other side arms. Secondly you don't have to be accurate with it Third it's too good of a side arm Fourth it makes speccing into the mass driver useless fifth it's a noob tube. If I wanted to play with "one man army" and "203's" I would go back to MW2. Protoman you messing with Bonneys bread and butter!! Oh yea and whoever thought this weapon appeared balanced in fan fest LOL!!!! Say hello to the 480 dmg direct hit weapon. Bonney should have stuck with his scrambler pistol. I WILL NOT STAND FOR NOOB TUBES IN DUST Go eat a ****! Bonney is one of your worst players and needs all the help he can get. You have apparently not played with or against bonney.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1618	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:59:00 - [38] - Quote It was already nerfed, when it didn't get the 10% bonus every other weapon got. Then again, it probably didn't need it. The poor plasma cannon on the other hand...
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 479	Posted - 2013.05.31 18:03:00 - [39] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: It was already nerfed, when it didn't get the 10% bonus every other weapon got. Then again, it probably didn't need it. The poor plasma cannon on the other hand... Plasma cannon needs a 50% dmg buff before it starts to become a decent AV
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1764	Posted - 2013.05.31 18:19:00 - [40] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: You'd make a more compelling case with actual stats I could post up the stats in comparison to other side arms in terms of CPU/PG, but CCP and the CPM already know this. Dodge514

Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 91	Posted - 2013.05.31 18:19:00 - [41] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: First and foremost it doesn't really consume much PG in comparison to other side arms. Secondly you don't have to be accurate with it Third it's too good of a side arm Fourth it makes speccing into the mass driver useless fifth it's a noob tube. If I wanted to play with "one man army" and "203's" I would go back to MW2. Protoman you messing with Bonneys bread and butter!! Oh yea and whoever thought this weapon appeared balanced in fan fest LOL!!!! Say hello to the 480 dmg direct hit weapon. Bonney should have stuck with his scrambler pistol. I WILL NOT STAND FOR NOOB TUBES IN DUST Go eat a ****! Bonney is one of your worst players and needs all the help he can get. You have apparently not played with or against bonney. Played against him many times thank you honey. Ps. Flaylock 70% effective against shields.
Thor Thunder Fist Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 106	Posted - 2013.05.31 18:28:00 - [42] - Quote if the flaylock is indeed a noob toob youngcuz must be a really big noob because I know I killed him with my HMG while he was using it once last night WITH you shooting at me aswell protoman. flaylock might be a little strong time will tell but unless the meaning of noobtube ie: RE scouts in that build (you know the one) changed it is not one of those.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 479	Posted - 2013.05.31 18:34:00 - [43] - Quote Happy....... Ah thank you for the that number...so assumig this is correct dmg to shields would be 336 with no dmg mods for a direct hit from the flaylock. On to other matters....... Then goodness I dont know what you would consider a good player as he is one of the best AV players in the NF alliance (and we have alot of good AVers). He uses sidearms primarily and he still pulls numbers of an average (for Imps) AR player.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 741	Posted - 2013.05.31 18:34:00 - [44] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Xender17 wrote: I skilled into it before my optional respect.... Why the hell can it be used as a light weapon. Its up to par with practically every other light weapon. In what way? Clip size? Ammo when did it start out performing TACs? Over all it somehow is able to out perform other weapons when going 1v1 with them. If you use a TAR and lose 1v1 to a flaylock, that is your fault.
Novawolf McDustingham The514th Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 127	Posted - 2013.05.31 18:40:00 - [45] - Quote CCP BALANCING LOGIC: -Nerfs HMG due to complaints from poorly fitted, low HP players, then adds Flaylock pistols and contact grenades. They're only a threat to players with low HP, like scouts. It's basically a panic button for Evetards who can't aim but think they should win every gun battle due to the fact that they have more SP.
Tek Hound Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.31 21:22:00 - [46] - Quote If you lose to a flaylock, you got out played.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 133	Posted - 2013.05.31 21:35:00 - [47] - Quote FFS, will you guys stop this goddmaned nerf witch hunt whenever you disagree with a game mechanic! This is why tanks suck, dropships are a joke, the HMG deals more damage if you threw it at someone, HAV only have enough PG to equip LAV modules, and every DPS weapon in the game is novelty compared to the AR. Many of you cry about this game being unbalanced or not fun anymore but it's your fault! Every. ****ing. last. one. of. you! If you keep dying to something, find out a different strategy than holding down R1 and bunny hopping when you need to reload. Learn 2 play and HTFU!
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 548	Posted - 2013.05.31 21:39:00 - [48] - Quote Dual flaylocks really is beast mode though. Of course so is core flaylock with a tactical scrambler pistol.
John Mc Geachy The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.05.31 21:43:00 - [49] - Quote Yeah no need for a nerf as like everyone is saying of course its good against milita. Against calLogi yeah .... but if there is a nerf I would reduce splash to around 150 keep direct as it is and increase pg requirement to around 10
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 710	Posted - 2013.05.31 21:54:00 - [50] - Quote Well, they certainly beat my fused...

BASSMEANT ZionTCD Unclaimed. 283	Posted - 2013.05.31 21:55:00 - [51] - Quote like i said: any gun that works in this game... you nerds are gonna vage about it. kinda impressed. i didn't expect you nerds to whine about this weapon until after the GLU and TAC got their testes ripped off. you guys are ahead of schedule with your tamponics. keep it up and you won't have anything to whine about come christmas. Peace B
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 488	Posted - 2013.05.31 22:16:00 - [52] - Quote I've been OHKed by a flaylock with 461 shields and 90 armor, so it's stats and what it actually does are quite different. Heck, I don't even think it was a direct hit either, just splash.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 166	Posted - 2013.05.31 22:18:00 - [53] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: hooc order wrote: Quote: Third it's too good of a side arm Regular pistols do some pretty hefty damage with no levels in it SMGs if you keep the target on target eat up my heavy alt with ease. Every time i hear a flaylock i think to myself "easy kill" You are full of crap. In terms of CPU and PG it's too good of a weapon in comparison to all other side arms. You don't really have to give up anything in order to fit the proto type variant onto a suit compared to the proto type variants of other side arms. I agree the SP/level system is broken and it allows crap players like you to be carried. CCP should throw the whole pile of crap into the garbage and allow players like me to solo your whole crap alliance.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 137	Posted - 2013.05.31 22:19:00 - [54] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: I've been OHKed by a flaylock with 461 shields and 90 armor, so it's stats and what it actually does are quite different. Heck, I don't even think it was a direct hit either, just splash. Had to be a headshot, Flaylock pistol is a solid ammunition weapon that takes a damage penalty against shields.
Jenza's Pants Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2013.05.31 22:21:00 - [55] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: First and foremost it doesn't really consume much PG in comparison to other side arms. Secondly you don't have to be accurate with it Third it's too good of a side arm Fourth it makes speccing into the mass driver useless fifth it's a noob tube. If I wanted to play with "one man army" and "203's" I would go back to MW2. I beleive the term you are looking for is "pro-pipe"
Bob Teller The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 4	Posted - 2013.06.26 16:16:00 - [56] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: You must be joking. The radius on it is so small it mainly only works as a direct shot. Considering it is a ballistic shot that takes time to get to the enemy I think that makes it far from a noob weapon. If you can aim well and put it on the person then you deserve the good damage you do, especially with such a tiny clip. It is a great weapon that is balanced well. I do not use it though, I find it easier to use an SMG. 2.5M is small?If you dont think flaylock is op,you either use it or have no idea what you are talking about.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 6	Posted - 2013.06.26 16:20:00 - [57] - Quote Alina Heart wrote: This game gets more broken everyday, this week I've seen a huge influx of People running around with Core Flaylock's thinking their the Omega. Duvolle Flaylock Sniper x Mario Cart 514 Hold on how is this game get more broken everyday because someone is using a flaylock pistol to kill u that make no sense that u going to complain about a weapons that take skill use it now I do have a flaylock pistol on my profile and try it and im not good at it but will try again to use it more often. For those of u that said it noob tube go back to cod.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1081	Posted - 2013.06.26 16:21:00 - [58] - Quote I am confused. I have heard the OP argument, but in contrast i have heard sidearms were near useless. I guess it changes to back up whatever QQ it is being used for.
Avallo Kantor DUST University Ivy League 108	Posted - 2013.06.26 16:24:00 - [59] - Quote I don't often come accross them but when I do, I notice 2 things help: 1) Strike at med-long range (in terms of my SR) They normally can be killed off rather quickly that way, especially when in fast scouts. 2) Get in melee range. Either they are smart and don't fire, or they do and suicide themselves. This is very funny for me because I'm a poor low sp nub, and my suit costs like 7k ISK. So when I see the person who killed me (and themselves) was using the proto Flaylock, I laugh. -Also, generally I only encounter the proto flaylock.
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 6	Posted - 2013.06.26 16:36:00 - [60] - Quote U guys are a joke u complain about a pistol that shoot grenade and u got nerve to call ppl that use it and know how to perfectly on killing u and u call them a noob. u know u can counter then just by shooting them right. It don't get u the right to call someone a noob because oh using a worthless ** gun in the game that hardly kill u in 3 round depending on how good he is with it. Let me tell u something thou if u going to bh about it because I got kill from it get a life it just a game every weapon in there is going to kill u and don't see entire player base using the flaylock pistol and kicking ur *** in it. so stop complain or GTFO the game it plain is simple. The game is not broken u just suck at it. that make u a noob at it.



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