Here we are making a list. This list will collect the opinion of tankers, and a few reasonable AV friends. No CCP fanboys, no AR players no nothing.
1) PG skill should be re-implemented.
2) Turret damage bonus of all types of turrets should be re-implemented.
3) Resistance of tank hulls should be increased againt AV by at least 35%. last night 2 swarm volleys dealt 10520 damage to my tank. Yes only 2 volleys, god knows how many damage mod that player stacked.
4) Railguns should deal more damage than a hanheld forge gun.
5) Scattered Ion Cannon's DPS should be at least 2x of a handheld D. Tac AR. One of them is a handheld gun, other is a tank mounted turret.
6) Active Shield Resistance module should be 30 second active and 30 second CD (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
7) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is right now. (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
8) Splash radius of missiles are joke, I have only been able to kill a few people with splash, it generally requires a missile to directly hit enemy to kill. All sorts of missile splash radius should be increased 1.5x
P.S. We want Surya and Sagaris back.

We need AV grenades completely removed from game. It allows any infantry member to have effective AV capability, which is complete b.s. We also need AV in general to cost more SP and isk.

Here we are making a list. This list will collect the opinion of tankers, and a few reasonable AV friends. No CCP fanboys, no AR players no nothing.
1) PG skill should be re-implemented.
2) Turret damage bonus of all types of turrets should be re-implemented.
3) Resistance of tank hulls should be increased againt AV by at least 35%. last night 2 swarm volleys dealt 10520 damage to my tank. Yes only 2 volleys, god knows how many damage mod that player stacked.
4) Railguns should deal more damage than a hanheld forge gun. (Forge nerf requested here.)
5) Scattered Ion Cannon's DPS should be more than a handheld D. Tac AR. One of them is a handheld gun, other is a tank mounted turret.
6) Active Shield Resistance module should be 30 second active and 30 second CD (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
7) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is right now. (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
8) Splash radius of missiles are joke, I have only been able to kill a few people with splash, it generally requires a missile to directly hit enemy to kill. All sorts of missile splash radius should be increased 1.5x
P.S. We want Surya and Sagaris back.
+ I find it funny how AV grenade of same level deal more damage to armor than swarm launchers.

-1 Heard you were crappy BF3 Jet pilot

Here we are making a list. This list will collect the opinion of tankers, and a few reasonable AV friends. No CCP fanboys, no AR players no nothing.
1) PG skill should be re-implemented.
2) Turret damage bonus of all types of turrets should be re-implemented.
3) Resistance of tank hulls should be increased againt AV by at least 35%. last night 2 swarm volleys dealt 10520 damage to my tank. Yes only 2 volleys, god knows how many damage mod that player stacked.
4) Railguns should deal more damage than a hanheld forge gun. (Forge nerf requested here.)
5) Scattered Ion Cannon's DPS should be more than a handheld D. Tac AR. One of them is a handheld gun, other is a tank mounted turret.
6) Active Shield Resistance module should be 30 second active and 30 second CD (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
7) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is right now. (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
8) Splash radius of missiles are joke, I have only been able to kill a few people with splash, it generally requires a missile to directly hit enemy to kill. All sorts of missile splash radius should be increased 1.5x
P.S. We want Surya and Sagaris back.
+ I find it funny how AV grenade of same level deal more damage to armor than swarm launchers.

Haha lol. What does it have to do with me being a jet pilot in BF3.

Sorry I'm just really bored. Anyways did you fly competitively and play for a clan.

Lastly, I can't talk about tanks cause I'm not a tanker

I'm member of 187 in BF3 and love blowing tanks with A-10 worthog. Yes I'm not bad at jets.

Oh you're a rush jet scrub.

Change the Armor and shield skills back to 5% tank increase instead of 2% resistance (which just negates the damage increase of the handheld weapon's buff, nerfing us again), or taking away the AV weapon's buff, and making the resist 5% per lvl instead of 2%. Plus, either the requirements for PG needs a reduction, or like EVERYONE has been saying, change back the PG skill. Next is those AV nades. Get rid of them, or cut their damage in half, and get rid of their homing for the regular and packed AV nades. keep it for the sleek though. Actually, changing the sleek's name to the regular, and getting rid of the other two would be perfect. It is the only one in my eyes that are balanced. Buff the efficiency of reppers (not plates), as I can't rep tank my HAV, which is what I used to do in EVE, and I assume people still do. Lastly, allow me to shoot down swarms. This would make AV perfect in my eyes.


Peace, Godin

1, 2 and 6 are more than enough.

[quote=Godin Thekiller]Change the Armor and shield skills back to 5% tank increase instead of 2% resistance (which just negates the damage increase of the handheld weapon's

1, 2 and 6 are more than enough. I disagree with 7 only because it's an advantage armor doesn't have anything to compensate for it with.

AV that isnt cheap on lock on through walls would be a welcome addition.

It does more than negate it. Weapon did 100 damage per hit before buff, now does 110. 10% of 110 is 11, weapon does 99 damage with resist applied.

Here we are making a list. This list will collect the opinion of tankers, and a few reasonable AV friends. No CCP fanboys, no AR players no nothing.
1) PG skill should be re-implemented.
2) Turret damage bonus of all types of turrets should be re-implemented. (3% instead of 1.)
3) Resistance of tank hulls should be increased againt AV by at least 35%. last night 2 swarm volleys dealt 10520 damage to my tank. Yes only 2 volleys, god knows how many damage mod that player stacked.
4) Railguns should deal more damage than a hanheld forge gun. (Forge nerf requested here.)
5) Scattered Ion Cannon's DPS should be more than a handheld D. Tac AR. One of them is a handheld gun, other is a tank mounted turret.
6) Active Shield Resistance module should be 30 second active and 30 second CD (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
7) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is right now. (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
8) Splash radius of missiles are joke, I have only been able to kill a few people with splash, it generally requires a missile to directly hit enemy to kill. All sorts of missile splash radius should be increased 1.5x
9) AV and Flux should branch off from grenadier to AV grenadier and Flux grenade Operation.
P.S. We want Surya and Sagaris back.
+ I find it funny how AV grenade of same level deal more damage to armor than swarm launchers.

PG skill is need

Why do dropsuits get 5% yet vehicles dont?

Lets be fair

Lets take away the 5% CPU skill for dropsuits so they lose 20% of CPU for ther suits

Im sure the tears would flood the forums when they stack on proto everything and need CPU mods

I'm member of 187 in BF3 and love blowing tanks with A-10 worthog. Yes I'm not bad at jets.

Would you mind explaining why?

Armor reppers are much better than shield boosters.

1. I am on the fence about the PG skill. Right after uprising launched I was all pissed off about it, but in the end it hasn't really affected my fits that much. You just have to make a couple of compromises in fitting. Not the end of the world, doesn't make tanks worthless either. Shield tankers have it easier in this regard, because they can slap PG extenders in the lows. Armor has to give up a tank/hardener slot.

2. Absolutely.

3. Heck no. That is complete overkill. What really needs to be done is remove the stacking penalty from the first resist module. There is no reason for my first armor hardener to take a penalty because I have a 10% resist skill. This reduces the effectiveness and therefore viability of using either passive plates or multiple hardeners, reducing fitting options, which is counter to CCPs' stated intentions.

4. Bring the Ishukone Assault Forge back down to pre uprising damage levels. Adjust the other forges accordingly. Not sure about the proto breach.

5. Agreed, although I think that is a matter of toning down the TAR rather than buffing the blaster turret.

6 & 7. Not really a shield tanker, so I will skip these.

8. Yeah, I have never liked the missile turrets, tried the basics, found them ineffective, had better places to put my SP. Ted Nugget can give you a better opinion.

9. AV grenades need a 15% reduction in damage, and a reduction of the seek radius.

Here we are making a list. This list will collect the opinion of tankers, and a few reasonable AV friends. No CCP fanboys, no AR players no nothing.
1) I suck at fitting my tank, please make it easier CCP *waaahhhh*
2) I suck at killing people, buff my tank CCP *waaahhh*
3) Someone who specced into AV killed my tank CCP, buff me *waaahhh*
4) Nerf AV and buff my tank, CCP *waaahhh*
5) I suck at killing people, buff my tank CCP *waaahhh*
6) My tank doesent auto-win CCP buff the modules *waaahhh*
7) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is right now. (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
8) I suck at killing people CCP plz buff my tank *waaahhh*
9) Someone killed me with grenades, CCP!! Nerf AV by making it harder for people to get it! *waaahhh*
P.S. We want Surya and Sagaris back.
+ Nerf AV nerf AV nerf AV CCP *WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH*.

Here we are making a list. This list will collect the opinion of tankers, and a few reasonable AV friends. No CCP fanboys, no AR players no nothing.
1) PG skill should be re-implemented.
2) Turret damage bonus of all types of turrets should be re-implemented. (3% instead of 1.)
3) Resistance of tank hulls should be increased against AV by 20%. last night 2 swarm volleys dealt 10520 damage to my tank. Yes only 2 volleys, god knows how many damage mod that player stacked.
4) Railguns should deal more damage than a hanheld forge gun. (Forge nerf requested here.)
5) Scattered Ion Cannon's DPS should be more than a handheld D. Tac AR. One of them is a handheld gun, other is a tank mounted turret.
6) Active Shield Resistance module should be 30 second active and 30 second CD (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
7) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is right now. (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
8) Splash radius of missiles are joke, I have only been able to kill a few people with splash, it generally requires a missile to directly hit enemy to kill. All sorts of missile splash radius should be increased 1.5x
9) AV and Flux should branch off from grenadier to AV grenadier and Flux grenade Operation.
P.S. We want Surya and Sagaris back.
+ I find it funny how AV grenade of same level deal more damage to armor than swarm launchers.

1) Yes. Make it a 6%/lvl passive bonus, rather than a 5% because we were a little PG hungry in Chromosome, too.
2) Totes agree. Bring back the old damage system!
3) I'd say an automatic 15% resistance buff is needed, but then be able to skill up to 25% (5%/lvl) resistance to a specific kind of damage (explosive/kinetic/electronic/etc)

This is why I can't take anything you say seriously. If you think you were PG starved in Chromosome, you just don't know how to tank, or you just want a super vehicle.

When you make requests like that, it is plain you don't care about balance, you just want to be able to roll through whole teams in a pub match to pad your K/D.

If you want to run top turret, top tank, top rep/booster, you need to use PG mods. That you don't want to make compromises in your preferred fit shows how one sided your train of thought is.

Tanks were not OP in Chromosome. They need adjustment still, but they are not as UP as some of you whiners would like to pretend.

Part of the reason why the game is so out of whack right now is because of requests like this. If someone listened to you, then we would have to put up with endless amounts of tanks are OP threads until they nerfed them even harder than they did this time. Then your crying would reach a new level of self entitled insanity.

If you think about long term balance instead of me! me! me! like a six year old then maybe we could get this game to a good place.

Tanks were not OP in Chromosome. They need adjustment still, but they are not as UP as some of you whiners would like to pretend.

1. I am on the fence about the PG skill. Right after uprising launched I was all pissed off about it, but in the end it hasn't really affected my fits that much. You just have to make a couple of compromises in fitting. Not the end of the world, doesn't make tanks worthless either. Shield tankers have it easier in this regard, because they can slap PG extenders in the lows. Armor has to give up a tank/hardener slot.

2. Absolutely.

3. Heck no. That is complete overkill. What really needs to be done is remove the stacking penalty from the first resist module. There is no reason for my first armor hardener to take a penalty because I have a 10% resist skill. This reduces the effectiveness and therefore viability of using either passive plates or multiple hardeners, reducing fitting options, which is counter to CCPs' stated intentions.

4. Bring the Ishukone Assault Forge back down to pre uprising damage levels. Adjust the other forges accordingly. Not sure about the proto breach.

5. Agreed, although I think that is a matter of toning down the TAR rather than buffing the blaster turret.

6 & 7. Not really a shield tanker, so I will skip these.

8. Yeah, I have never liked the missile turrets, tried the basics, found them ineffective, had better places to put my SP. Ted Nugget can give you a better opinion.

9. AV grenades need a 15% reduction in damage, and a reduction of the seek radius.

Here we are making a list. This list will collect the opinion of tankers, and a few reasonable AV friends. No CCP fanboys, no AR players no nothing.
1) PG skill should be re-implemented.
2) Turret damage bonus of all types of turrets should be re-implemented. (3% instead of 1.)
3) Resistance of tank hulls should be increased against AV by 20%. last night 2 swarm volleys dealt 10520 damage to my tank. Yes only 2 volleys, god knows how many damage mod that player stacked.
4) Railguns should deal more damage than a hanheld forge gun. (Forge nerf requested here.)
5) Scattered Ion Cannon's DPS should be more than a handheld D. Tac AR. One of them is a handheld gun, other is a tank mounted turret.
6) Active Shield Resistance module should be 30 second active and 30 second CD (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
7) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is right now. (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
8) Splash radius of missiles are joke, I have only been able to kill a few people with splash, it generally requires a missile to directly hit enemy to kill. All sorts of missile splash radius should be increased 1.5x
9) AV and Flux should branch off from grenadier to AV grenadier and Flux grenade Operation.
P.S. We want Surya and Sagaris back.
+ I find it funny how AV grenade of same level deal more damage to armor than swarm launchers.

I think we need to stop comparing size to efficiency.

Yes, forge guns do about the same damage as rails. Rails, however, are mounted on a multiple thousand HP chassis, has unlimited ammo, and the user can laugh off small arms fire while his two copilots rain blasterdeath on anyone that pops their head around a corner. The forge gunner has at least a 2 second charge between shots, moves slow as hell, can maybe get to 1k EHP (if he sacrifices damage / speed), gets mowed down by anyone not using an AV weapon at the time, and must sacrifice his main armament slot to dedicate to AV.

Stop using raw numbers to say something is OP / UP, and consider the benefits / drawbacks that the entire setup has.

I should also mention the forge gunner must also be wary of murder taxi's.

forge guns can sit on top of towers where nothing can touch them. your argument is invalid. a dropship trys to kill them. o he can just shoot it down.

Can a tank not be called on top of the redline mountain and rain railshots across the field?

can a forge not do the same. but only he has the advantage because he can look you know look DOWN

I'm not going to forum 1v1 you on every little aspect these two classes do not share.

There are also plenty of slopes to angle your vehicle on, and if that forge gunner is dumb enough to wait for you to come out from behind that hill, odds are a sniper is going to find him.

can a forge not do the same. but only he has the advantage because he can look you know look DOWN

Not exactly, Our clan is a rush so I play rush jet when I am playing with them.
Other than that I play hardcore cq jets.

forge guns can sit on top of towers where nothing can touch them. your argument is invalid. a dropship trys to kill them. o he can just shoot it down.

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Man you know what ur talking about and you don't tank. Nice.

But for passive shield regen. the problem to me is how can a scout regen more shield faster than a tank. I wouldn't mind if it were a 60 point passive shield regen but it kept the crappier shield boosters. This would make passive tanking an option.

Rails need some sort of buff. Make a skill like the enforcer for railguns. They just don't do enough damage to armor tanks to kill them. i mean 3 hardeners plus a super fast armor repair rate is pretty hard to get through while a damage modded shield tank has slow regen and terrible hardners.

+1.

We need proto HAVs

I feel sad that you think I don't tank :(

(It's true, in uprising I don't have HAVs trained because the LOLSP investments doubled for like everything, but before that I always had tank, dropship, and LAV skills pretty much maxed)

How would you make passive tanking Viable though, Bob? Is it the delay in recharge, or the low rate of recharge that is a problem? Would having vehicle versions of shield regulators help? Should vehicles have a delay at all? (No delay could excuse a low rate of recharge if that recharge is constant, and the modules to improve recharge became more attractive than a raw booster on a 'passive' setup) Though, there's a fine line between passive actually being decent and being better than active. Where would shield tankers put that line? (I usually tank armor)

As far as railguns go... I'd honestly want to see their range reduced. Not a lot, though. Maybe drop to like 300m since most other turrets seem to die off at 200m or so last I looked? They should still have the furthest range of any vehicle turret, but it shouldn't span pretty much the entire map IMO. Maybe have variants that are 'super ranged' but do less damage? (Thoughts on that?) But really, railguns struggle because you either hit or miss. To be honest, if the range issue is mitigated and 'hill sniping from across the map' becomes less of a thing, I'd like to see the massive splash radius come back for large turrets (4-5m for rails, matching their 'explosive' VFX and like 5-7m for missiles) The reason that was a problem in the past was because of the obnoxious damage that splash had with it. IF you buff the splash radius of both railguns and missiles (Since they both need it) but keep the damage relatively low (40-65 for rails, 90-115 for missiles, or around there) both will instantly gain back their 'usability' against infantry at close range without making them as hilariously broken as they were in the past. Splash damage should be used to 'whittle down', not to completely own everything.

Those numbers are something I'd rather see CCP play with a bit though tbh. Missile splash (For large turrets) might stand to be lower since the spread would likely all 'hit' with higher splash radius (Thus still owning everything even without directly hitting them)... railgun might need to be a bit higher because of the prohibitive nature and slow refire rate. It's possible the only rail that has 'problem' damage is the compressed variant (IIRC it has double, at like 225 splash at standard level) I'd honestly rather them spend like two weeks making a pass, where they have the lower numbers first and then the higher numbers, then after the second week decide which to keep. (A lot of stuff needs this done, tbh)

But those are the basic ideas of how I'd consider adjusting those turrets.

If the delay is recharge was a bit shorter prehaps. But the regen really needs to be higher. assaults have more cause of their 25% bonus and all we get is a 5% increase. Skill maxed. right now shield tanks stack every resist they can find just to be able to survive from an armor tank and it's somewhat broken repair system it seems and hardeners tht last 60 seconds.

As far as missiles go. Nerfing the directs damage by 100 and increasing the splash is probably the best or else you wll have a tank buster and infantry slayer. This allows it to focus on infantry.

The rail if you shorten the range by so much will likely make it useless unless it gets a damage buff. a serious one at tht. right now with 2 damage mods and a proto compressed rail my max damage is 2700. an armor tank with lets say 60 % 3 hareners and skills applied gave or take a few would only allow the rail do 1080 damageish along with its insane repair rate. making an armor tank win.

A solution to the rial would to make an enforcer varient tht increased the damage and range to your 300. This would make it where shield tanks get a bonus and have a chance to beat an armor tank alnog with a hardener icrease to 30 seconds even if it has a 30 sec cooldown.

these r my opinons as a shield tanker.

BTW u armor tank. I thought u used nova knives. hence the name.

Here we are making a list. This list will collect the opinion of tankers, and a few reasonable AV friends. No CCP fanboys, no AR players no nothing.
1) PG skill should be re-implemented.
2) Turret damage bonus of all types of turrets should be re-implemented. (3% instead of 1.)
3) Resistance of tank hulls should be increased against AV by 20%. last night 2 swarm volleys dealt 10520 damage to my tank. Yes only 2 volleys, god knows how many damage mod that player stacked.
4) Railguns should deal more damage than a hanheld forge gun. (Forge nerf requested here.)
5) Scattered Ion Cannon's DPS should be more than a handheld D. Tac AR. One of them is a handheld gun, other is a tank mounted turret.
6) Active Shield Resistance module should be 30 second active and 30 second CD (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
7) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is right now. (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
8) Splash radius of missiles are joke, I have only been able to kill a few people with splash, it generally requires a missile to directly hit enemy to kill. All sorts of missile splash radius should be increased 1.5x
9) AV and Flux should branch off from grenadier to AV grenadier and Flux grenade Operation.
P.S. We want Surya and Sagaris back.
+ I find it funny how AV grenade of same level deal more damage to armor than swarm launchers.

Here we are making a list. This list will collect the opinion of tankers, and a few reasonable AV friends. No CCP fanboys, no AR players no nothing.
1) PG skill should be re-implemented.
2) Turret damage bonus of all types of turrets should be re-implemented. (3% instead of 1.)
3) Resistance of tank hulls should be increased against AV by 20%. last night 2 swarm volleys dealt 10520 damage to my tank. Yes only 2 volleys, god knows how many damage mod that player stacked.
4) Railguns should deal more damage than a hanheld forge gun. (Forge nerf requested here.)
5) Scattered Ion Cannon's DPS should be more than a handheld D. Tac AR. One of them is a handheld gun, other is a tank mounted turret.
6) Active Shield Resistance module should be 30 second active and 30 second CD (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
7) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is right now. (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
8) Splash radius of missiles are joke, I have only been able to kill a few people with splash, it generally requires a missile to directly hit enemy to kill. All sorts of missile splash radius should be increased 1.5x
9) AV and Flux should branch off from grenadier to AV grenadier and Flux grenade Operation.
P.S. We want Surya and Sagaris back.
+ I find it funny how AV grenade of same level deal more damage to armor than swarm launchers.

So your saying 4000 years in the future we lost the ability to manufacture World War 1 AV capable grenades?



Take out Free Lav, spam fixed and now i dont need to arm myself with Av grenades just to counter idiot LAV drivers, because basically i am carrying them for LAV counters, HAV's are a bonus.

Here we are making a list. This list will collect the opinion of tankers, and a few reasonable AV friends. No CCP fanboys, no AR players no nothing.
1) PG skill should be re-implemented.
2) Turret damage bonus of all types of turrets should be re-implemented. (3% instead of 1.)
3) Resistance of tank hulls should be increased against AV by 20%. last night 2 swarm volleys dealt 10520 damage to my tank. Yes only 2 volleys, god knows how many damage mod that player stacked.
4) Railguns should deal more damage than a hanheld forge gun. (Forge nerf requested here.)
5) Scattered Ion Cannon's DPS should be more than a handheld D. Tac AR. One of them is a handheld gun, other is a tank mounted turret.
6) Active Shield Resistance module should be 30 second active and 30 second CD (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
7) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is right now. (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
8) Splash radius of missiles are joke, I have only been able to kill a few people with splash, it generally requires a missile to directly hit enemy to kill. All sorts of missile splash radius should be increased 1.5x
9) AV and Flux should branch off from grenadier to AV grenadier and Flux grenade Operation.
P.S. We want Surya and Sagaris back.
+ I find it funny how AV grenade of same level deal more damage to armor than swarm launchers.

agree with most but dont buff any Rail dmg
tank fights are actually GOOD now like they used to be, none of that previous 2 shot stuff
having to hit someone multiple times and possibly working with another tanker to go on a flank while u keep the other busy promotes fun tactics and not just the dull 2 shot stuff that was in the last few builds cuz of the broken passive dmg bonuses.

AV nades need to have to cook them to activate the homing funtion imo
Breach FG needs a nerf.....WAYY too much dmg and rails should be bumped back to the original lvl , ie proto rails 2K a shot

agree with shield hardeners been pushing for that for a while, also agree with passive shield regen

Here we are making a list. This list will collect the opinion of tankers, and a few reasonable AV friends. No CCP fanboys, no AR players no nothing.
1) PG skill should be re-implemented.
2) Turret damage bonus of all types of turrets should be re-implemented. (3% instead of 1.)
3) Resistance of tank hulls should be increased against AV by 20%. last night 2 swarm volleys dealt 10520 damage to my tank. Yes only 2 volleys, god knows how many damage mod that player stacked.
4) Railguns should deal more damage than a hanheld forge gun. (Forge nerf requested here.)
5) Scattered Ion Cannon's DPS should be more than a handheld D. Tac AR. One of them is a handheld gun, other is a tank mounted turret.
6) Active Shield Resistance module should be 30 second active and 30 second CD (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
7) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is right now. (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
8) Splash radius of missiles are joke, I have only been able to kill a few people with splash, it generally requires a missile to directly hit enemy to kill. All sorts of missile splash radius should be increased 1.5x
9) AV and Flux should branch off from grenadier to AV grenadier and Flux grenade Operation.
P.S. We want Surya and Sagaris back.
+ I find it funny how AV grenade of same level deal more damage to armor than swarm launchers.

I like the stuff about the pilot and gunners working together, but the camera stuff I disagree with. I prefer to have a third person camera so when I'm getting hit by AV I don't accidentally backup/move towards the guy shooting my tank.

I disagree with the enabling of the third person view but everything else sounds really cool
The two things i think are the best is for the gunners to be able to see the modules of the tank they jump into. As you've said so they can time it when driver is using heat sink and such.
And when it comes to activating several modules there are always a lot of slots left over in the fly wheel. Can't we get an option to in the fitting screen to make module clusters and then still in the fitting define where they go in the fly wheel ??
Like you set together a module cluster of 2 hardeners and 1 repper. Activating that will activate above and if it's already activated it'll do nothing to it. And of course you could set up multiply clusters like one with only hardeners, one with heat sink and other stuff whatever the driver would like.
What i hate the most is that it feels like the modules get thrown into the fly wheel randomly. Would like to at least be able to set the repper to top, then 3 hardeners etc etc.

1) PG skill should be re-implemented.
2) Turret damage bonus of all types of turrets should be re-implemented. (3% instead of 1.)
3) Resistance of tank hulls should be increased against AV by 20%. last night 2 swarm volleys dealt 10520 damage to my tank. Yes only 2 volleys, god knows how many damage mod that player stacked.
4) Railguns should deal more damage than a hanheld forge gun. (Forge nerf requested here.)
5) Scattered Ion Cannon's DPS should be more than a handheld D. Tac AR. One of them is a handheld gun, other is a tank mounted turret.
6) Active Shield Resistance module should be 30 second active and 30 second CD (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
7) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is right now. (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
8) Splash radius of missiles are joke, I have only been able to kill a few people with splash, it generally requires a missile to directly hit enemy to kill. All sorts of missile splash radius should be increased 1.5x
9) AV and Flux should branch off from grenadier to AV grenadier and Flux grenade Operation.
+ I find it funny how AV grenade of same level deal more damage to armor than swarm launchers.

hey nova whens the next cast514?

Whenever Grideris is not busy doing whatever it is australians do when they aren't on the internet.

Just waiting on him to be available to record it, we have one planned.

Here we are making a list. This list will collect the opinion of tankers, and a few reasonable AV friends. No CCP fanboys, no AR players no nothing.
1) PG skill should be re-implemented.
2) Turret damage bonus of all types of turrets should be re-implemented. (3% instead of 1.)
3) Resistance of tank hulls should be increased against AV by 20%. last night 2 swarm volleys dealt 10520 damage to my tank. Yes only 2 volleys, god knows how many damage mod that player stacked.
4) Railguns should deal more damage than a hanheld forge gun. (Forge nerf requested here.)
5) Scattered Ion Cannon's DPS should be more than a handheld D. Tac AR. One of them is a handheld gun, other is a tank mounted turret.
6) Active Shield Resistance module should be 30 second active and 30 second CD (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
7) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is right now. (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
8) Splash radius of missiles are joke, I have only been able to kill a few people with splash, it generally requires a missile to directly hit enemy to kill. All sorts of missile splash radius should be increased 1.5x
9) AV and Flux should branch off from grenadier to AV grenadier and Flux grenade Operation.
P.S. We want Surya and Sagaris back.
+ I find it funny how AV grenade of same level deal more damage to armor than swarm launchers.

The splash damage on missile turrets was nerfed in response to a wealth of complaints about killing people with splash damage being "skilless" and "faceroll".

If I recall correctly, many of those threads were made by players who are now members of your alliance.

Somewhat ironic, wouldn't you say?

I feel sad that you think I don't tank :(

(It's true, in uprising I don't have HAVs trained because the LOLSP investments doubled for like everything, but before that I always had tank, dropship, and LAV skills pretty much maxed)

How would you make passive tanking Viable though, Bob? Is it the delay in recharge, or the low rate of recharge that is a problem? Would having vehicle versions of shield regulators help? Should vehicles have a delay at all? (No delay could excuse a low rate of recharge if that recharge is constant, and the modules to improve recharge became more attractive than a raw booster on a 'passive' setup) Though, there's a fine line between passive actually being decent and being better than active. Where would shield tankers put that line? (I usually tank armor)

As far as railguns go... I'd honestly want to see their range reduced. Not a lot, though. Maybe drop to like 300m since most other turrets seem to die off at 200m or so last I looked? They should still have the furthest range of any vehicle turret, but it shouldn't span pretty much the entire map IMO. Maybe have variants that are 'super ranged' but do less damage? (Thoughts on that?) But really, railguns struggle because you either hit or miss. To be honest, if the range issue is mitigated and 'hill sniping from across the map' becomes less of a thing, I'd like to see the massive splash radius come back for large turrets (4-5m for rails, matching their 'explosive' VFX and like 5-7m for missiles) The reason that was a problem in the past was because of the obnoxious damage that splash had with it. IF you buff the splash radius of both railguns and missiles (Since they both need it) but keep the damage relatively low (40-65 for rails, 90-115 for missiles, or around there) both will instantly gain back their 'usability' against infantry at close range without making them as hilariously broken as they were in the past. Splash damage should be used to 'whittle down', not to completely own everything.

Those numbers are something I'd rather see CCP play with a bit though tbh. Missile splash (For large turrets) might stand to be lower since the spread would likely all 'hit' with higher splash radius (Thus still owning everything even without directly hitting them)... railgun might need to be a bit higher because of the prohibitive nature and slow refire rate. It's possible the only rail that has 'problem' damage is the compressed variant (IIRC it has double, at like 225 splash at standard level) I'd honestly rather them spend like two weeks making a pass, where they have the lower numbers first and then the higher numbers, then after the second week decide which to keep. (A lot of stuff needs this done, tbh)

But those are the basic ideas of how I'd consider adjusting those turrets.

Here we are making a list. This list will collect the opinion of tankers, and a few reasonable AV friends. No CCP fanboys, no AR players no nothing.
1) PG skill should be re-implemented.
2) Turret damage bonus of all types of turrets should be re-implemented. (3% instead of 1.)
3) Resistance of tank hulls should be increased against AV by 20%. last night 2 swarm volleys dealt 10520 damage to my tank. Yes only 2 volleys, god knows how many damage mod that player stacked.
4) Railguns should deal more damage than a hanheld forge gun. (Forge nerf requested here.)
5) Scattered Ion Cannon's DPS should be more than a handheld D. Tac AR. One of them is a handheld gun, other is a tank mounted turret.
6) Active Shield Resistance module should be 30 second active and 30 second CD (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
7) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is right now. (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
8) Splash radius of missiles are joke, I have only been able to kill a few people with splash, it generally requires a missile to directly hit enemy to kill. All sorts of missile splash radius should be increased 1.5x
9) AV and Flux should branch off from grenadier to AV grenadier and Flux grenade Operation.
P.S. We want Surya and Sagaris back.
+ I find it funny how AV grenade of same level deal more damage to armor than swarm launchers.

I love almost all of sylwester's bullet points except for the last two.


I agree that the third person camera does give too much intelligence. It makes it super hard to get snuck up on by people trying to bomb you with RE's, and anyone who gets in that range in general is easily seen.

Dust is a first person game, and I honestly think that the camera should stay in first person for all vehicles (Including dropships, but dropships need some serious love before they can be viable like that) LAV and HAV first person cameras are both functional, and allow the driver to look around freely (Yet don't give an almost omnidirectional sense of sight for free)

That creates a specific weakness in vehicles (Line of sight) and it is absolutely necessary IMO, as it then requires you to communicate with passengers and gunners to know where you are being shot from, as well as communication from your teammates elsewhere.

I should not be able to avoid an ambush because 3rd person camera let me see someone that first person would've made me miss. Or at least, I think so. That does give AV yet ANOTHER advantage over vehicles, and I'll admit they don't really need more advantages atm... but in a perfect world where there's actually a balance between the two... Third person camera should die.

Here we are making a list. This list will collect the opinion of tankers, and a few reasonable AV friends. No CCP fanboys, no AR players no nothing.
1) PG skill should be re-implemented.
2) Turret damage bonus of all types of turrets should be re-implemented. (3% instead of 1.)
3) Resistance of tank hulls should be increased against AV by 20%. last night 2 swarm volleys dealt 10520 damage to my tank. Yes only 2 volleys, god knows how many damage mod that player stacked.
4) Railguns should deal more damage than a hanheld forge gun. (Forge nerf requested here.)
5) Scattered Ion Cannon's DPS should be more than a handheld D. Tac AR. One of them is a handheld gun, other is a tank mounted turret.
6) Active Shield Resistance module should be 30 second active and 30 second CD (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
7) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is right now. (Require opinions of serious shield tankers)
8) Splash radius of missiles are joke, I have only been able to kill a few people with splash, it generally requires a missile to directly hit enemy to kill. All sorts of missile splash radius should be increased 1.5x
9) AV and Flux should branch off from grenadier to AV grenadier and Flux grenade Operation.
P.S. We want Surya and Sagaris back.
+ I find it funny how AV grenade of same level deal more damage to armor than swarm launchers.

AV grenades are too effective.
Every other AV weapon sacrifices significant anti-infantry capability in order to damage tanks. AV grenades don't, and they're too spammable. They should need some priming time before throwing, for example. I don't think they need significantly less damage, though I think they should have a damage reduction, but the ability to spam them absolutely needs to go.

One reason why loads of infantry are carrying them is also because it's the best counter to free LAV spam.

Trying to balance proto AV and turrets against standard hulls is a waste of time. Because they are not supposed to be balanced.


Give the tank drivers their toys and bring out the proto hulls, CCP.


Properly priced, of course.

+1 Awesome ideas!

Whenever Grideris is not busy doing whatever it is australians do when they aren't on the internet.

Just waiting on him to be available to record it, we have one planned.

-1 (some of them are really bad ideas.)
*I don't want scrubs to hop in my tank and learn my tank fit, tank fits are vital in this game. They only should be aware if I activate a heat sink.
* My dot is small enough to be confused with my gunners dot, changing main sight might do the trick.
*I don't care if my scrub gunners over heats or not.
*Yes activating several modules that you pre-selected should be easier if not all.
*If you take away 3rd person camera I want 60% resistance bonus since it is nearly impossible to see where the threat is coming from. Yes 60% not 20 not 40 exactly 60% resistance not plus health.
*3rd oerson is much better than adding 4 cameras.

Everything here is good. I'll just add my two cents.

Make the hacked EX-0 require at least a LITTLE sp put into it to use. Damn that thing is annoying as... Yeah you get the point.

Give the caldari HAV's a bit of a buff on power grid, but the PG skill would do that just fine I'm guessing but I've not done the math.

BUFF THE EFFIN SICA! The Soma literally wipes the floor with this thing as far as militia tanks go, give 'er another mid and a CPU buff. Then it suddenly becomes more viable, as it stands it's just a glorified LAV that rookies will have issues putting out in any game from the increased cost.(Rookie Soma = 160-180k, Rookie Sica = 190-220k ISK)

You need to be able to activate Precision Strikes from inside a HAV, or any other vehicle for that matter. Leaving the tank usually results in the passengers griefing by switching to the drivers' seat and stealing the tank.

I have a small list of things that I think would make HAVs perfect. Note these changes shoul apply to std and above grade HAVs

1) 15%-25% powergrid increase

2) 10%-15% dammage resistance or hp buff on top of what we have just now.

3) an eject button or the ability to asign the tank to your squad and your squad only

4) triage and guardian points for spider tanking.

5) +5%-10% acceleration on all tanks.

6) passive shield recharger moduals that acctually make a difference.

All the above i think would put tanks in their rightfull place and allow us to acctivlt tank more effectivly

has nothing to with the op or this^ post but I am wonder if/when we get a dev response and will it be filled with bad news. HAV need a reason to be on the field or we will just put out the much cheaper LLAVs and cause more nerf LAV threads just because of the new skill tree.

dude #6 I totally agree the shield passive recharge is worthless and the modules are just as bad. the passive recharge is only slightly useful with small arms fire and not a lot and really small arms fire doesn't bother armor tanks so there is no advantage there.

I agree on all point and I think the swarm launcher needs to be toned down. it literally is more effective the plasma launcher just on damage alone and is the most effective AV on LAV then any other AV because they are homing. now with this sure nerf LAV slightly because the LLAV can be a pain and would be more so then.

shield passive recharge is fine you can take multiple routes and gain your shield back quickly without using modules unlike armor tanking where you need to activate a module just to repair 300 damage

you lose strength for longevity and consistency

not to mentuion it increases your shield recharge rate when you use shield boosters

gunlogi with booster heals for 350 a second 1750 over 5 seconds
madrugar with repair heals for 414 every 3 seconds 2070 over 15 seconds
gunlogi will heal for 1950 after 15 seconds and continue to outpace a madrugar in repair

Can't we just reduce the amount of AV/Flux held to like 1 or 2? I remember another post talking about how taking down a well fitted HAV is a team task and not something a guy with 500ksp should be able to do alone, and I completely agree with that, tanks are there to dominate the battlefield and you should have to work together to take him down.

shield passive recharge is fine you can take multiple routes and gain your shield back quickly without using modules unlike armor tanking where you need to activate a module just to repair 300 damage

you lose strength for longevity and consistency

not to mentuion it increases your shield recharge rate when you use shield boosters

gunlogi with booster heals for 350 a second 1750 over 5 seconds
madrugar with repair heals for 414 every 3 seconds 2070 over 15 seconds
gunlogi will heal for 1950 after 15 seconds and continue to outpace a madrugar in repair

the math on the repper s nice now do the math on resistances and active res..

Im sorry but I have to dissagree the passive shield regen on havs is a joke. Armour tanks also have shields that passivly repair. Tgey can also add shield extenders for a much larger buffer. Shield passive regen wont be an option for tanks unless we can get it up to 70-100 hp per second then buffer\passive regen will be viable.

8 repair a second is a sad joke hit one bump and you have wait wait 4 times as long as a shield tank to repair the damage


why would you need 100 hp per second passive

10 seconds and you rep 1000 hp
15 seconds and you would rep 1500 hp 500 less than it woudl take for a madrugar to rep with an repair module on

add in a shield booster and shield tanks would recharge shields at such a large amount that they would be almost unkillable while repairing




it doesn't work or it doesn't do what you think it does i have it maxed it and it still does 414 ever 3 seconds

but some people believe it means rate which would mean it would lower the time it would take to get go through the 414/secondd for 15 seconds down to 12.75 seconds

HAV needs:

3% extra pg per level of engineering
Improved large missile turrets
An equipment slot for cool stuff like hunter-killer missiles or countermeasures
More cost-effective adv and proto tanks - extra expense ain't worth it

That is all. They're pretty good besides that. I just want more cool doohickies, only a coupla things that need to be more balanced - primarily my first two bullet points.

I also wish it was easier for infantry to stand on them - bring back how that was last build. I miss my riders :(

ok first wow. the shields on armor tanks recharge at a high percentage then shields for base HP so yours takes the same amount or less then shields so

second sure if that's a light armor repairer. the light armor repairer restores 100~ per second the heavy repairer restores per second 400~ so 6 seconds would equal the 15 second of passive recharge w/ the heavy booster so your math is all messed up so HTFU.

i just read your post and i have no idea what you are talking about or waht kind of point you are trying to make


like here what are you talking passive shield recharge is a supplement to shield boosters if you are to ******** to understand this then you shouldn't use shield tanks since you don't know how to use any advantage you have effectively



what the hell does light armor repair have to do with anything and why are you comparing light armor repairs to heavy boosters and then calling my math wrong when my math doesnt even have light armor repairs involved anywhere in it

i think you are just to slow to understand the conversation you are currently taking part in

and saying HTFU in your post doesn't make you seem smart or snappy it just makes you seem idiotic

and even the math you are trying to show me doesnt make sense mostly because you arent trying to show a point i mean come on listed out you have

light armor repairs for 100 per second
heavy armor repair for 400
then you say 6 seconds equals 15 seconds of passive recharge time+ heavy booster

over all you have no math you just threw a bunch of random phrases and numbers and called it math you dont even have an end result and yet you call me wrong

Interesting thread is interesting, its turning into a bit of a flame war though.

It seems the majority agree Armour > Shield whatever the turret. So they either need to look a shield resists/reppers/passive regen or shield damage output.

When an armour HAV can out rep your DPS your dead

When an armour HAV can out manouver a shield HAV your going to be dead.

Shield tankers are a dieing breed, ive seen hardcore shield users rocking around in armour tanks stomping on people. Taking on 2 tanks and AV'ers at the same time then rolling away.

Somthing is wrong somewhere

Haha almighty scrub stating the mighty ladwar dosent knkw his tanks you are an idiot.

Interesting thread is interesting, its turning into a bit of a flame war though.

It seems the majority agree Armour > Shield whatever the turret. So they either need to look a shield resists/reppers/passive regen or shield damage output.

When an armour HAV can out rep your DPS your dead

When an armour HAV can out manouver a shield HAV your going to be dead.

Shield tankers are a dieing breed, ive seen hardcore shield users rocking around in armour tanks stomping on people. Taking on 2 tanks and AV'ers at the same time then rolling away.

Somthing is wrong somewhere

im going back to the scout/hacker with the min logi. I will never go full armor HAV, it goes against my caldari heart to do that.

We need proto HAVs

so im a scrub becaus ei know how to do math how logical of you

shield tanks over tiem will out repair an armor tank

They won't give us advanced because that will be too hard for people with AV grenades to kill. Don't you understand, those without the mental capacity for AV need to have the crutch of Lai Dais and 3 nanohives around them.

We need AV grenades completely removed from game. It allows any infantry member to have effective AV capability, which is complete b.s. We also need AV in general to cost more SP and isk.

So your saying 4000 years in the future we lost the ability to manufacture World War 1 AV capable grenades?



Take out Free Lav, spam fixed and now i dont need to arm myself with Av grenades just to counter idiot LAV drivers, because basically i am carrying them for LAV counters, HAV's are a bonus.

-1 Heard you were crappy BF3 Jet pilot

1) Not a bad idea, don't know why CPU skill wasn't changed if they wanted to get rid of the bonus.
2) Are you refering to the turret skill nerf?
3) AV destroys vehicles, that's what its made for.
4) Yes they should.
5) Does it need to be higher than an AR? Yes. Double? Debatable.
8) Yes.
P.S. They're coming back.
+ AV 'nades have shorter range, worse seeking, and lower ammo than swarms of the same level.

Your seriously saying that 1 full damage is worth the nerf? your out of your mind, or not a pilot..


Peace, Godin

Fix'd.

Tl;dr - Crybaby thread.

I think we need to stop comparing size to efficiency.

Yes, forge guns do about the same damage as rails. Rails, however, are mounted on a multiple thousand HP chassis, has unlimited ammo, and the user can laugh off small arms fire while his two copilots rain blasterdeath on anyone that pops their head around a corner. The forge gunner has at least a 2 second charge between shots, moves slow as hell, can maybe get to 1k EHP (if he sacrifices damage / speed), gets mowed down by anyone not using an AV weapon at the time, and must sacrifice his main armament slot to dedicate to AV.

Stop using raw numbers to say something is OP / UP, and consider the benefits / drawbacks that the entire setup has.

I should also mention the forge gunner must also be wary of murder taxi's.

No your a scrub for being a know it all smart arse that seems to know better than every other shield tanker that has made comments about our pathetic passive Regen rate.

and as i said before your stupid freaking passive regeneration goes along with your freaking booster

it allows you to out repair freaking armor tanks over freaking time

god damn im going to math this out for you if you are to damn stupid to understand then you shouldn't be commenting on this with me

Armor tanks repair for 414 armor every 3 seconds over a period of 15 seconds with a cool down of 30 seconds with a passive shield recharge of 8 per second

heavy armor repair * number of pulses / active period of repair = armor repaired per second
414*5=2070 armor over 15 seconds
the skill goes on cool down for 30 seconds
shields during this time will recharge for 8 per second over the entire 45 second duration
8*45=360

2070+360=2430 total tank hp recovered over a period of 45 seconds the time it takes to active repair module




shield tanks boost for 328 shields every 1 second over a period of 5 seconds with a cool down of 30 seconds and a shield passive recharge of 22 shields per second

328*5=1640 shields over 5 seconds
the skill goes on cool down for 30 seconds
shields during this time will recharge for 22 shields every second over the entire 35 seconds that the skil is being used
22*30=660

1640+650= 2410 total shields recharge over a period of 35 seconds the time it would take to use the shield booster skill have it on cool down and utilized again

in 35 seconds shields recharge for 2410
in 45 seconds an armor tank will gain 2430 effective hp
in 45 seconds the shield tank can can activate shield booster again and recharge 4270 shields
in 45 seconds a shield tank can recharge 2630 shields if they chose not to activate shield booster again


and a shield tank can increase there passive shield Regen even further by 25 percent by using a passive regeneration module increasing the amount regenerated by 24 percent

22 base passive regeneration per second *.24 from passive Regen increases = 27.28

factor that into the equation and the amount of regeneration for a shield tank increases even further

in 35 seconds a shield tank would recharge for 2594.8
in 45 seconds a shield tank would recharge for 2867 shields

WHAT YOU CALL PATHETIC SHIELD REGENERATION IS WHAT SINGLE HANDEDLY KEEPS SHIELD TANKS AHEAD OF ARMOR TANKS IN AMOUNT OF TANK HP REGAINED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME

Yes I can see clearly now thank you everso much . Lets see how your math applys when a madruger with roughly the same hp as a shield tank roll uo to one another and attempt to tank each other under fire whilst having the armour or shield hardners acctive 99.99999999999999999999999999999 deep breath 999999999999999999999999999% of the time a madruger will win . End of fracking story. All we are asking for is our passive shield regen module to be worth wile fitting . Now I wad never doubting the math but thats on papper not in practice. Now go try it out go on ... letts see you tank and rep through blaster fire like a madruger can. And if your going to tell me you can then you are blatently lying.

[quote=Purona]
its clear you haven't been in HAVs.. ever. saving this to laugh at for later. thanks this will make my days much better reading and just LOL over. this right here is why non-vehicle users shouldn't chim in on vehicle balancing between other vehicles.

Really i use math and you claim i havent used HAVs

There is not a single HAV in this game that i have come across that i have not destroyed

lol.. funniest troll ever you should post more your almost up there with car merc.

you can see the math right there its all correct are you seriousl going to ignore it all just to call ME a troll

you can see the math right there its all correct are you seriousl going to ignore it all just to call ME a troll

Yet again you fail to answer a simple question can your gunlogi tank even a std 80gj scattered blaster like a madruger during its rep and resist cycle?

then show me whats wrong dont just say its wrong thats the basics of having a conversation

first person brings up point
second person(s) attempts to prove point wrong

dont just say your wrong and then laugh and joke it just makes you look like you dont want to acknowledge whats the person says

so far this thread has been like this as an example

persons A - the world is flat
group - LOl no you are wrong

just so you know the armor repair pulse last 3 long with a 1 second off cycle and every second of that pulse it repairs 414 while shields is the switched the other way.

really because my armor tank heals in burst of 414 every 3 seconds

lol... please stop trolling its just too funny.

Here we are making a list. This list will collect the opinion of tankers, and a few reasonable AV friends. No CCP fanboys, no AR players no nothing.
1) PG skill should be re-implemented. A 20% PG buff works too.
2) Turret damage bonus of all types of turrets should be re-implemented. (3% instead of 1.) If CCP wants tank battles to last longer than give us more resistance, as I told in number 3 so we can have more survivability rather than insta popping against proto AV.
3) Resistance of tank hulls should be increased against AV by 20%. last night 2 swarm volleys dealt 10520 damage to my tank. Yes only 2 volleys, god knows how many damage mod that player stacked.
4) Railguns should deal more damage than a hanheld forge gun. (Rail against tanks is good right now but when a slug lands next to an infantries feet it should deal 500 ish damage in 3.5M radius.) (Proto Rail btw)
5)Active Shield Resistance module should be 30 second active and 30 second CD.
6) Passive regen of shields are joke, it should be 1.5x of what it is now.
7) Splash radius of missiles are joke, I have only been able to kill a few people with splash, it generally requires a missile to directly hit enemy to kill. All sorts of missile splash radius should be increased 1.5x
8) AV and Flux should branch off from grenadier to AV grenadier and Flux grenade Operation. Also AV grenade's damage should be decreased by atleast 25%.
P.S. We want Surya and Sagaris back.

im the one trolling ive counted it ive timed it

it burst heals for 414 every 3 secons

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3 burst 414
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6 burst 414
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9 burst 414
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12 burst 414
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15 burst 414

414 armour repaired
every 3 seconds
for 15 seconds