Im sorry but I have to dissagree the passive shield regen on havs is a joke. Armour tanks also have shields that passivly repair. Tgey can also add shield extenders for a much larger buffer. Shield passive regen wont be an option for tanks unless we can get it up to 70-100 hp per second then buffer\passive regen will be viable.

8 repair a second is a sad joke hit one bump and you have wait wait 4 times as long as a shield tank to repair the damage


why would you need 100 hp per second passive

10 seconds and you rep 1000 hp
15 seconds and you would rep 1500 hp 500 less than it woudl take for a madrugar to rep with an repair module on

add in a shield booster and shield tanks would recharge shields at such a large amount that they would be almost unkillable while repairing




it doesn't work or it doesn't do what you think it does i have it maxed it and it still does 414 ever 3 seconds

but some people believe it means rate which would mean it would lower the time it would take to get go through the 414/secondd for 15 seconds down to 12.75 seconds

HAV needs:

3% extra pg per level of engineering
Improved large missile turrets
An equipment slot for cool stuff like hunter-killer missiles or countermeasures
More cost-effective adv and proto tanks - extra expense ain't worth it

That is all. They're pretty good besides that. I just want more cool doohickies, only a coupla things that need to be more balanced - primarily my first two bullet points.

I also wish it was easier for infantry to stand on them - bring back how that was last build. I miss my riders :(

ok first wow. the shields on armor tanks recharge at a high percentage then shields for base HP so yours takes the same amount or less then shields so

second sure if that's a light armor repairer. the light armor repairer restores 100~ per second the heavy repairer restores per second 400~ so 6 seconds would equal the 15 second of passive recharge w/ the heavy booster so your math is all messed up so HTFU.

i just read your post and i have no idea what you are talking about or waht kind of point you are trying to make


like here what are you talking passive shield recharge is a supplement to shield boosters if you are to ******** to understand this then you shouldn't use shield tanks since you don't know how to use any advantage you have effectively



what the hell does light armor repair have to do with anything and why are you comparing light armor repairs to heavy boosters and then calling my math wrong when my math doesnt even have light armor repairs involved anywhere in it

i think you are just to slow to understand the conversation you are currently taking part in

and saying HTFU in your post doesn't make you seem smart or snappy it just makes you seem idiotic

and even the math you are trying to show me doesnt make sense mostly because you arent trying to show a point i mean come on listed out you have

light armor repairs for 100 per second
heavy armor repair for 400
then you say 6 seconds equals 15 seconds of passive recharge time+ heavy booster

over all you have no math you just threw a bunch of random phrases and numbers and called it math you dont even have an end result and yet you call me wrong

Interesting thread is interesting, its turning into a bit of a flame war though.

It seems the majority agree Armour > Shield whatever the turret. So they either need to look a shield resists/reppers/passive regen or shield damage output.

When an armour HAV can out rep your DPS your dead

When an armour HAV can out manouver a shield HAV your going to be dead.

Shield tankers are a dieing breed, ive seen hardcore shield users rocking around in armour tanks stomping on people. Taking on 2 tanks and AV'ers at the same time then rolling away.

Somthing is wrong somewhere

Haha almighty scrub stating the mighty ladwar dosent knkw his tanks you are an idiot.

Interesting thread is interesting, its turning into a bit of a flame war though.

It seems the majority agree Armour > Shield whatever the turret. So they either need to look a shield resists/reppers/passive regen or shield damage output.

When an armour HAV can out rep your DPS your dead

When an armour HAV can out manouver a shield HAV your going to be dead.

Shield tankers are a dieing breed, ive seen hardcore shield users rocking around in armour tanks stomping on people. Taking on 2 tanks and AV'ers at the same time then rolling away.

Somthing is wrong somewhere

im going back to the scout/hacker with the min logi. I will never go full armor HAV, it goes against my caldari heart to do that.

We need proto HAVs

so im a scrub becaus ei know how to do math how logical of you

shield tanks over tiem will out repair an armor tank

They won't give us advanced because that will be too hard for people with AV grenades to kill. Don't you understand, those without the mental capacity for AV need to have the crutch of Lai Dais and 3 nanohives around them.

We need AV grenades completely removed from game. It allows any infantry member to have effective AV capability, which is complete b.s. We also need AV in general to cost more SP and isk.

So your saying 4000 years in the future we lost the ability to manufacture World War 1 AV capable grenades?



Take out Free Lav, spam fixed and now i dont need to arm myself with Av grenades just to counter idiot LAV drivers, because basically i am carrying them for LAV counters, HAV's are a bonus.

-1 Heard you were crappy BF3 Jet pilot

1) Not a bad idea, don't know why CPU skill wasn't changed if they wanted to get rid of the bonus.
2) Are you refering to the turret skill nerf?
3) AV destroys vehicles, that's what its made for.
4) Yes they should.
5) Does it need to be higher than an AR? Yes. Double? Debatable.
8) Yes.
P.S. They're coming back.
+ AV 'nades have shorter range, worse seeking, and lower ammo than swarms of the same level.

Your seriously saying that 1 full damage is worth the nerf? your out of your mind, or not a pilot..


Peace, Godin

Fix'd.

Tl;dr - Crybaby thread.

I think we need to stop comparing size to efficiency.

Yes, forge guns do about the same damage as rails. Rails, however, are mounted on a multiple thousand HP chassis, has unlimited ammo, and the user can laugh off small arms fire while his two copilots rain blasterdeath on anyone that pops their head around a corner. The forge gunner has at least a 2 second charge between shots, moves slow as hell, can maybe get to 1k EHP (if he sacrifices damage / speed), gets mowed down by anyone not using an AV weapon at the time, and must sacrifice his main armament slot to dedicate to AV.

Stop using raw numbers to say something is OP / UP, and consider the benefits / drawbacks that the entire setup has.

I should also mention the forge gunner must also be wary of murder taxi's.

No your a scrub for being a know it all smart arse that seems to know better than every other shield tanker that has made comments about our pathetic passive Regen rate.

and as i said before your stupid freaking passive regeneration goes along with your freaking booster

it allows you to out repair freaking armor tanks over freaking time

god damn im going to math this out for you if you are to damn stupid to understand then you shouldn't be commenting on this with me

Armor tanks repair for 414 armor every 3 seconds over a period of 15 seconds with a cool down of 30 seconds with a passive shield recharge of 8 per second

heavy armor repair * number of pulses / active period of repair = armor repaired per second
414*5=2070 armor over 15 seconds
the skill goes on cool down for 30 seconds
shields during this time will recharge for 8 per second over the entire 45 second duration
8*45=360

2070+360=2430 total tank hp recovered over a period of 45 seconds the time it takes to active repair module




shield tanks boost for 328 shields every 1 second over a period of 5 seconds with a cool down of 30 seconds and a shield passive recharge of 22 shields per second

328*5=1640 shields over 5 seconds
the skill goes on cool down for 30 seconds
shields during this time will recharge for 22 shields every second over the entire 35 seconds that the skil is being used
22*30=660

1640+650= 2410 total shields recharge over a period of 35 seconds the time it would take to use the shield booster skill have it on cool down and utilized again

in 35 seconds shields recharge for 2410
in 45 seconds an armor tank will gain 2430 effective hp
in 45 seconds the shield tank can can activate shield booster again and recharge 4270 shields
in 45 seconds a shield tank can recharge 2630 shields if they chose not to activate shield booster again


and a shield tank can increase there passive shield Regen even further by 25 percent by using a passive regeneration module increasing the amount regenerated by 24 percent

22 base passive regeneration per second *.24 from passive Regen increases = 27.28

factor that into the equation and the amount of regeneration for a shield tank increases even further

in 35 seconds a shield tank would recharge for 2594.8
in 45 seconds a shield tank would recharge for 2867 shields

WHAT YOU CALL PATHETIC SHIELD REGENERATION IS WHAT SINGLE HANDEDLY KEEPS SHIELD TANKS AHEAD OF ARMOR TANKS IN AMOUNT OF TANK HP REGAINED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME

Yes I can see clearly now thank you everso much . Lets see how your math applys when a madruger with roughly the same hp as a shield tank roll uo to one another and attempt to tank each other under fire whilst having the armour or shield hardners acctive 99.99999999999999999999999999999 deep breath 999999999999999999999999999% of the time a madruger will win . End of fracking story. All we are asking for is our passive shield regen module to be worth wile fitting . Now I wad never doubting the math but thats on papper not in practice. Now go try it out go on ... letts see you tank and rep through blaster fire like a madruger can. And if your going to tell me you can then you are blatently lying.