1. I am on the fence about the PG skill. Right after uprising launched I was all pissed off about it, but in the end it hasn't really affected my fits that much. You just have to make a couple of compromises in fitting. Not the end of the world, doesn't make tanks worthless either. Shield tankers have it easier in this regard, because they can slap PG extenders in the lows. Armor has to give up a tank/hardener slot.

2. Absolutely.

3. Heck no. That is complete overkill. What really needs to be done is remove the stacking penalty from the first resist module. There is no reason for my first armor hardener to take a penalty because I have a 10% resist skill. This reduces the effectiveness and therefore viability of using either passive plates or multiple hardeners, reducing fitting options, which is counter to CCPs' stated intentions.

4. Bring the Ishukone Assault Forge back down to pre uprising damage levels. Adjust the other forges accordingly. Not sure about the proto breach.

5. Agreed, although I think that is a matter of toning down the TAR rather than buffing the blaster turret.

6 & 7. Not really a shield tanker, so I will skip these.

8. Yeah, I have never liked the missile turrets, tried the basics, found them ineffective, had better places to put my SP. Ted Nugget can give you a better opinion.

9. AV grenades need a 15% reduction in damage, and a reduction of the seek radius.

I have a small list of things that I think would make HAVs perfect. Note these changes shoul apply to std and above grade HAVs

1) 15%-25% powergrid increase

2) 10%-15% dammage resistance or hp buff on top of what we have just now.

3) an eject button or the ability to asign the tank to your squad and your squad only

4) triage and guardian points for spider tanking.

5) +5%-10% acceleration on all tanks.

6) passive shield recharger moduals that acctually make a difference.

All the above i think would put tanks in their rightfull place and allow us to acctivlt tank more effectivly

shield passive recharge is fine you can take multiple routes and gain your shield back quickly without using modules unlike armor tanking where you need to activate a module just to repair 300 damage

you lose strength for longevity and consistency

not to mentuion it increases your shield recharge rate when you use shield boosters

gunlogi with booster heals for 350 a second 1750 over 5 seconds
madrugar with repair heals for 414 every 3 seconds 2070 over 15 seconds
gunlogi will heal for 1950 after 15 seconds and continue to outpace a madrugar in repair

8 repair a second is a sad joke hit one bump and you have wait wait 4 times as long as a shield tank to repair the damage


why would you need 100 hp per second passive

10 seconds and you rep 1000 hp
15 seconds and you would rep 1500 hp 500 less than it woudl take for a madrugar to rep with an repair module on

add in a shield booster and shield tanks would recharge shields at such a large amount that they would be almost unkillable while repairing




it doesn't work or it doesn't do what you think it does i have it maxed it and it still does 414 ever 3 seconds

but some people believe it means rate which would mean it would lower the time it would take to get go through the 414/secondd for 15 seconds down to 12.75 seconds

Interesting thread is interesting, its turning into a bit of a flame war though.

It seems the majority agree Armour > Shield whatever the turret. So they either need to look a shield resists/reppers/passive regen or shield damage output.

When an armour HAV can out rep your DPS your dead

When an armour HAV can out manouver a shield HAV your going to be dead.

Shield tankers are a dieing breed, ive seen hardcore shield users rocking around in armour tanks stomping on people. Taking on 2 tanks and AV'ers at the same time then rolling away.

Somthing is wrong somewhere

and as i said before your stupid freaking passive regeneration goes along with your freaking booster

it allows you to out repair freaking armor tanks over freaking time

god damn im going to math this out for you if you are to damn stupid to understand then you shouldn't be commenting on this with me

Armor tanks repair for 414 armor every 3 seconds over a period of 15 seconds with a cool down of 30 seconds with a passive shield recharge of 8 per second

heavy armor repair * number of pulses / active period of repair = armor repaired per second
414*5=2070 armor over 15 seconds
the skill goes on cool down for 30 seconds
shields during this time will recharge for 8 per second over the entire 45 second duration
8*45=360

2070+360=2430 total tank hp recovered over a period of 45 seconds the time it takes to active repair module




shield tanks boost for 328 shields every 1 second over a period of 5 seconds with a cool down of 30 seconds and a shield passive recharge of 22 shields per second

328*5=1640 shields over 5 seconds
the skill goes on cool down for 30 seconds
shields during this time will recharge for 22 shields every second over the entire 35 seconds that the skil is being used
22*30=660

1640+650= 2410 total shields recharge over a period of 35 seconds the time it would take to use the shield booster skill have it on cool down and utilized again

in 35 seconds shields recharge for 2410
in 45 seconds an armor tank will gain 2430 effective hp
in 45 seconds the shield tank can can activate shield booster again and recharge 4270 shields
in 45 seconds a shield tank can recharge 2630 shields if they chose not to activate shield booster again


and a shield tank can increase there passive shield Regen even further by 25 percent by using a passive regeneration module increasing the amount regenerated by 24 percent

22 base passive regeneration per second *.24 from passive Regen increases = 27.28

factor that into the equation and the amount of regeneration for a shield tank increases even further

in 35 seconds a shield tank would recharge for 2594.8
in 45 seconds a shield tank would recharge for 2867 shields

WHAT YOU CALL PATHETIC SHIELD REGENERATION IS WHAT SINGLE HANDEDLY KEEPS SHIELD TANKS AHEAD OF ARMOR TANKS IN AMOUNT OF TANK HP REGAINED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME

Yes I can see clearly now thank you everso much . Lets see how your math applys when a madruger with roughly the same hp as a shield tank roll uo to one another and attempt to tank each other under fire whilst having the armour or shield hardners acctive 99.99999999999999999999999999999 deep breath 999999999999999999999999999% of the time a madruger will win . End of fracking story. All we are asking for is our passive shield regen module to be worth wile fitting . Now I wad never doubting the math but thats on papper not in practice. Now go try it out go on ... letts see you tank and rep through blaster fire like a madruger can. And if your going to tell me you can then you are blatently lying.

Really i use math and you claim i havent used HAVs

There is not a single HAV in this game that i have come across that i have not destroyed

you can see the math right there its all correct are you seriousl going to ignore it all just to call ME a troll

then show me whats wrong dont just say its wrong thats the basics of having a conversation

first person brings up point
second person(s) attempts to prove point wrong

dont just say your wrong and then laugh and joke it just makes you look like you dont want to acknowledge whats the person says

so far this thread has been like this as an example

persons A - the world is flat
group - LOl no you are wrong

really because my armor tank heals in burst of 414 every 3 seconds

im the one trolling ive counted it ive timed it

it burst heals for 414 every 3 secons

1
2
3 burst 414
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6 burst 414
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9 burst 414
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12 burst 414
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15 burst 414

414 armour repaired
every 3 seconds
for 15 seconds