Odd I keep having alot of fun while playing it..

I am going to try something different and start complaining on the forums instead of playing.

I'll report back in in a couple days and let you know how much my fun increases.

I think the new build is more than an improvement most were expecting. They don't understand the sandbox gameplay to come. And the PvE where you explore your own maps when not being attacked.

Dust is not the game is will be, but for what it is, people seem to be having a lot of fun with it today. It's better today then it's ever been. With the new skill changes coming soon I expect the game to grow quickly.

P.s. Come on CCP give us a timeline allready :/ the hell

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514/user-reviews?dist=neutral

This game has problems... Lots and lots of problems. It's ok to believe in the idea and potential of what something can be. I don't quiet understand how people can be so misguided and just plain blind in their user reviews of DUST. Uprising is a visual improvement but that's all it really is. This game currently is on the boarder between being just a bad game and mediocre.

The **** riding is unreal.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514/user-reviews?dist=neutral

This game has problems... Lots and lots of problems. It's ok to believe in the idea and potential of what something can be. I don't quiet understand how people can be so misguided and just plain blind in their user reviews of DUST. Uprising is a visual improvement but that's all it really is. This game currently is on the boarder between being just a bad game and mediocre.

The **** riding is unreal.

You gotta understand.. EVeryone on this thread uses an AR.. "just fix the aiming" lol..

Everyone that uses "other" weapons are GONE.. just check the BF

You gotta understand.. EVeryone on this thread uses an AR.. "just fix the aiming" lol..

Everyone that uses "other" weapons are GONE.. just check the BF

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514/user-reviews?dist=neutral

This game has problems... Lots and lots of problems. It's ok to believe in the idea and potential of what something can be. I don't quiet understand how people can be so misguided and just plain blind in their user reviews of DUST. Uprising is a visual improvement but that's all it really is. This game currently is on the boarder between being just a bad game and mediocre.

You spelt "border" wrong. A "boarder" is someone staying in your house.

Also, no, I don't think the game is amazing or perfect, but I do have a lot of fun here. And you're just dead wrong about Uprising being a purely visual improvement. Altered skill tree, both in functionality and accessibility, new weapons and equipment, visual improvement which applies to both framerate and graphics, new features in the back end which allow CCP to adjust certain elements much more easily than they used to...

There's a LOT more to Uprising than just what you're seeing.

I'll agree some people are being WAY over-generous, but you're being harsher than is warranted, so it balances out.

Under 5k players online, that says it all.

slurpity slurpity slurp......... take it out ya mouth fanboys

Why are you still here, then?

Laughing at fanboys is fun, problem?

Under. 5k. players. online.

You gotta understand.. EVeryone on this thread uses an AR.. "just fix the aiming" lol..

Everyone that uses "other" weapons are GONE.. just check the BF

I use shotguns and mass drivers.

And when that number goes up, you'll go see if IGN gave the game a bad review and post that all over these forums.

And if neither of those pan out, you'll go find something else.

It's not even about the game.

It's about your inferiority complex. Must hurt for the thing you're best at in life to be gaming.

Don't worry, they have counselors for that.

Cheers for your enlightening analysis.

I think the game is poo, i say the game is poo and that offends you? strange

Under. 5k. players. online.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514/user-reviews?dist=neutral

This game has problems... Lots and lots of problems. It's ok to believe in the idea and potential of what something can be. I don't quiet understand how people can be so misguided and just plain blind in their user reviews of DUST. Uprising is a visual improvement but that's all it really is. This game currently is on the boarder between being just a bad game and mediocre.

Blind or stupid? Read your own link. I think your mixing up who is blind and stupid ^_^

Every game has glitches, but its still fun and thats why you even bother complaining.




/facepalm. Why would you even post this lol.

Thank yous all around to proto, green, and the rest of the try hards for your your biting analysis and armchair quarterbacking. We're all sure you could do better than CCP. Until that happens, please don't stop giving your all to the betterment of our fine community. We salute you! o7

and virtually no advertising done for the game, your point?

Being a bunch of sycophant yes men will not improve the game.

Neither will being a douchebag. But I'm sure you've got it on lock.

Laughing at fanboys is fun, problem?

Under. 5k. players. online.

200,000 active players wouldn't be an unreasonable estimate, although it might be on the high side.

I love how people quote this like it actually means anything.

Lets pretend, just for a minute, that every single one of those players is online for a full 2 hours.
Now lets also pretend, to make your argument look REALLY good, that there's no fluctuation in the playerbase from day to day.

This means you only multiply the current number of active players by 12, giving a total playerbase of 60,000.

Obviously, this is a gross under-estimate because the assumptions I'm making are provably false for the majority of DUST players. 200,000 active players wouldn't be an unreasonable estimate, although it might be on the high side.

Whats wrong with bring a dbag? I embrace it. Dbags rule the world.

Whats wrong with bring a dbag? I embrace it. Dbags rule the world.

Under 5k players online, that says it all.

slurpity slurpity slurp......... take it out ya mouth fanboys

BF3 on the PS3 alone averages that and then some during prime time I believe 73,000 were on last I checked. You are completely reaching for excuses...

Yes, it is an unreasonable estimate.

I've shown you numbers that say it's not.

What's your source?

So because an actual AAA title that's been out for long enough to have built up its sales numbers AND is a continuation of an already-established franchise can do it, a free-to-play new arrival with minimal advertising should too?

Pretty sure that for early days on an unproven product, DUST is doing just fine.

I'm not arguing that DUST is perfect, I'm not even arguing that it's ready for release (I don't think it is). I'm just saying that being consistently above 3000 simultaneous players most days is actually not as bad as people are trying to make it sound.

You took the 5k players and then made up other numbers.

According to my sources there are under 20,000 players who actively play the game.

Dust is being advertised as a AAA title!

I showed numbers that are publicly available, and used logic and working that can be seen and demonstrated as logical.

What are your "sources" basing their claims on?

What ARE your "sources"?

Using the numbers that are publicly available, your 20,000 figure doesn't make any rational sense. None at all. So either share a valid source for your information, or stop trying to spread blatant lies.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514/user-reviews?dist=neutral

This game has problems... Lots and lots of problems. It's ok to believe in the idea and potential of what something can be. I don't quiet understand how people can be so misguided and just plain blind in their user reviews of DUST. Uprising is a visual improvement but that's all it really is. This game currently is on the boarder between being just a bad game and mediocre.

wat. You take the 5k number, and based on your general idea of how long people play, you get 60,000. Which is quite a bit high in my opinion but it still makes sense. Then from out of nowhere you say all that is wrong and pull 200,000 out of your ass. Great logical claims right there. I'm just doing the exact same thing you are lol.

I noticed those reviews last night.

There's something just a teeny bit suspicious about them.

Almost all of the "reviewers" have one user review.

Smells like a bunch of fake accounts to me. The same thing the devs of the new star trek game did before media reviews hit.

If that's the case and CCP are involved, that'sa while new level of pathetic.

Assuming people are averaging 2 hours of playtime every day is a HUGE overestimation for the average player.
Assuming that there are no players who play less often than every day is an even more ridiculous assumption.

Getting 60,000 from 5000 simultaneous players is a REALLY low measure.

Maybe you need to actually go back and read my initial post. Since you obviously didn't, because I already explained how I got my numbers.

You took the 5k players and then made up other numbers.

According to my sources there are under 20,000 players who actively play the game.

You like stats huh ? I give you some ;

Counter Strike : Global Offensive: 7,172 Currently online

Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Multiplayer: 5,723 Currently online

Don't bee such a troll.... please.

well I think it's a great game and am enjoying it very much, seems I'm wrong though cause it make the op cry.

I think he needs a hug!

You like stats huh ? I give you some ;

Counter Strike : Global Offensive: 7,172 Currently online

Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Multiplayer: 5,723 Currently online

Don't bee such a troll.... please.

Ohhh, and by the way, the source of this stats is Steam Stats page. Which means that they are PC numbers, that are always higher than consoles, specially this PS3.

So you've provided numbers for two major and well-established game brands that have been around for years, and the numbers on those games don't significantly outstrip the numbers on DUST.

Thanks for supporting my argument with hard numbers on some games that should reasonably be expected to have MUCH larger and more acitve playerbases than a game like DUST, and seem not to be as far ahead as I would have expected them to.

And this isn't me being a troll. Pointing out that you spelt "be" wrong and a "bee" is a flying insect would be trolling. Arguing in a thread about a videogame's chances of success and using publicly available numbers, logic and basic knowledge of maths is called "discussion".

So you've provided numbers for two major and well-established game brands that have been around for years, and the numbers on those games don't significantly outstrip the numbers on DUST.

Thanks for supporting my argument with hard numbers on some games that should reasonably be expected to have MUCH larger and more acitve playerbases than a game like DUST, and seem not to be as far ahead as I would have expected them to.

And this isn't me being a troll. Pointing out that you spelt "be" wrong and a "bee" is a flying insect would be trolling. Arguing in a thread about a videogame's chances of success and using publicly available numbers, logic and basic knowledge of maths is called "discussion".

Like i already say... those are Steam Stats of players currently playing that games in PC, stats will be much lower in Consoles.

All the people that gave this game a 10 are going off of it's potential. A potential that has yet to be realized.

You never compared sales figures huh?
First week of release Black Ops 2 sold 4.61 million copies, the PC version sold just shy of 401k

And Dust 514 sold.... oh.... hold on... is Free to Play.

Pretty sure player numbers in the PS3 version of DUST are higher than on PC (sorry, had to be said)

Well played.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514/user-reviews?dist=neutral

This game has problems... Lots and lots of problems. It's ok to believe in the idea and potential of what something can be. I don't quiet understand how people can be so misguided and just plain blind in their user reviews of DUST. Uprising is a visual improvement but that's all it really is. This game currently is on the boarder between being just a bad game and mediocre.

Oi, you two in the pissing contest over numbers
Its the middle of the frakking night, compare the number during peak hours

All these posts from people that think DUST is in its final iteration.

Is morning where i live... You know, is more places in the world, than just the USA.

Yes but the US also has a massive population with a high concentration of gamers, remember there are US cities with populations greater than entire european countries

Explain how what I said undermined my argument, of course the numbers will be higher for Dust during peak hours but they will also be higher for the other games and from that you can get a better reading of the active player base
Do you just not understand how math works or are you just typing whatever to be contrary?

I just saying, that the numbers will be very similar to what they are right now ( Just Higher ). In fact i'm pretty sure, that more EU people plays CoD or CS, than they do Dust 514 right now.

Now you shot yourself in the foot, first you site numbers of other games current active players and use those to say that Dust is keeping even but only lagging behind a bit, now you say that you know many more people play these others series
Never mind that you used the PC figures when this is a console game, actually yes I do since when I cited actual console sales numbers you went to go insulting me just for the country I happen to live in

I would say dont quit your dayjob but I wonder if anyone would employ a nearly brain dead liability such as yourself

I'll never understand this phenomenon. You know, the one where people play a game they despise and make the game's demise their ultimate goal. I've played so many games where a group of people fought so hard to destroy the game and run it to the ground. Face of Mankind comes to mind. A small group of players would murder new players and tell them, "Lawl, FOM's dread, you need to uninstall it. Trust us." Hell, there was even a GM who assisted in this propaganda. If you hate the game that much, why play? It's like some kind of video game terrorism.

You're seriously trying to tell me that people get a kick out of running someone's creation to the ground? In Face of Mankind's case, it actually worked. TWICE! It has recently been taken over by another company and a Kickstarter has been made to "Re-release" the game for a third time!

You have problems and gripes with the game. Great! You're entitled to that. Just like people are entitled to enjoy the game. Maybe instead of calling them blind sheep and fanboys, you can say, "Well, I for one certainly don't see how they can rate it a 10, but whatever..." But no, it's always a debate as to why the game sucks and why people should also agree that it sucks. Though I would imagine that going with the former would put a damper on your internet egos.

It's simple. CCP is not forcing you to play. They aren't even forcing you to pay! If you hate the game so much, then quit. You lose absolutely nothing! And if you did put money down on AUR and still hate the game but are bitter about it, then that's your doing. CCP did not force you to buy that AUR. Hell, the game just officially got released yesterday, and to be quite honest, rather you love it or hate it, spending money on AUR while the game was in BETA was a gamble.

Does the game need work? Yes, it needs work like Lady Gaga needs a nose job. Does the game have potential? Yes, it indeed does. Will it meet said potential? Well, that's yet to be seen.

The truth of the matter is, not a single one of us know where Dust 514 is going to go. I will critique the game when and where critiquing is due, but I will stick with it and see where this thing goes. There may come a point when I feel the game is not what I anticipated it to be. If that day comes, I will walk away. It will be removed from my PS3. I don't understand why this is so hard for you guys to comprehend.

Insult you ? how ?

Just saying.... again... That the current Dust 514 player count, is NOT as bad, as you HARDCORE HATERS are trying to make it sound.

Im not hating Im stating facts, that compared to the competition the numbers are extremely bad and aside from the die hard CCP fans the game is getting bad word of mouth due to the poor gameplay and skilling mechanics

I knew that wws going to happen! lol the fanboys always jump to pump up thier game. it happens with every game, not just dust. but some gave it 10 tho. 10! hahahahaha!! oh my side hurts.

You really do flail and grasp and whatever straws you can huh, you were the first one to compare the game to other shooters
If you dont like someone bringing in real numbers and common sense then you shouldnt have done that in the first place

Nothing more to say. +1

What you want me to compare Dust 514 with ? A racing game ?

You are a complete and total idiot, for the sake of the species dont breed

It's probably just a bunch of devs creating fake accounts and giving it 10/10 anyways, that's how these things work now anyways yea?

To be honest I hadn't even thought of looking at Metacritic. While the game is released now development has not even slowed down internally. We are forging ahead with the next update.

It's probably just a bunch of devs creating fake accounts and giving it 10/10 anyways, that's how these things work now anyways yea?

To be honest I hadn't even thought of looking at Metacritic. While the game is released now development has not even slowed down internally. We are forging ahead with the next update.

It's probably just a bunch of devs creating fake accounts and giving it 10/10 anyways, that's how these things work now anyways yea?

To be honest I hadn't even thought of looking at Metacritic. While the game is released now development has not even slowed down internally. We are forging ahead with the next update.

Soxfour, you shouldn't be in these threads, they'll rot your brain.

What brain? Pretty sure if I had one of those I wouldn't have moved to Iceland to work for CCP. :P

As Dust stands now, it's a 6.5-7 score for me. I see the promise, but it still has a long way to go.

What brain? Pretty sure if I had one of those I wouldn't have moved to Iceland to work for CCP. :P

Why does anyone here care what metacritic says? No one goes to check the metacritic score before they buy/download a new game. Metacritic is just some mindless tool for journalists and devs - it has no influence on the general public.

I love ccp but dust needs lots of work also get rid of kbm and just use the ds3

I give Dust514 a 7 out of 10. And that's because I do have fun playing. But a 10? come on.. we all have been playing the same game!

Or maybe they know the problems can be for all intents' patched out eventually. Thus a temporary flaw.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514/user-reviews?dist=neutral

This game has problems... Lots and lots of problems. It's ok to believe in the idea and potential of what something can be. I don't quiet understand how people can be so misguided and just plain blind in their user reviews of DUST. Uprising is a visual improvement but that's all it really is. This game currently is on the boarder between being just a bad game and mediocre.

It's probably just a bunch of devs creating fake accounts and giving it 10/10 anyways, that's how these things work now anyways yea?

To be honest I hadn't even thought of looking at Metacritic. While the game is released now development has not even slowed down internally. We are forging ahead with the next update.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514/user-reviews?dist=neutral

This game has problems... Lots and lots of problems. It's ok to believe in the idea and potential of what something can be. I don't quiet understand how people can be so misguided and just plain blind in their user reviews of DUST. Uprising is a visual improvement but that's all it really is. This game currently is on the boarder between being just a bad game and mediocre.

It's probably just a bunch of devs creating fake accounts and giving it 10/10 anyways, that's how these things work now anyways yea?

To be honest I hadn't even thought of looking at Metacritic. While the game is released now development has not even slowed down internally. We are forging ahead with the next update.

TBH....there are alot of problems that need to be fixed. Alot of them have been mentioned here.

This game does have waaayyyy too many fanboys who refuse to see the problems that do exist. However that being said I am having more fun this build than I did during the last build (other than some of the clan battles). This game has potential but if CCP can deliver the core gameplay fixes by the next build then this game will probably die. Hit detection and graphics grabbing your character (smooth walls now and certain hills) are just two of the issues that MUST be addressed if this game is ever going to reach that lofty height of AAA shooter.

lolwut

Everyone posting in this thread is a fanboy.
Let's just focus on making dust better and not let the metaQQ take up too much of our time.

People are giving this 10/10 and saying it has potential.

Paradox much? Fanboys much? I really am looking forward to the slating I hope Dust gets from the media instead of fanboys. It's not that I want Dust to fail, I'd like CCP to realise, and all the fanboys to realise, where we're at.

Panther, they could have fixed things in Beta. They didn't, and they still don't know what they're doing regarding balancing, there's no PvE, no market. So how is it 10/10 fanboy war raven scrub?

You gotta understand.. EVeryone on this thread uses an AR.. "just fix the aiming" lol..

Everyone that uses "other" weapons are GONE.. just check the BF

Again i will ask ... what you propose CCP should do ? Stop all the servers, and forget about Dust 514 ? or re-make the full game, and do "another" official release ? ... maybe rollback to the previous build, and get hammer by critics ?

What ?

I don't know what they should do, that's like saying "I slit my throat, what should I do?" but I'd start with...
Player count increase, frame rate to be stable and some new basic game modes. King of the hill, capture the flag, free4all, VIP. You know, basic things like that.
I'd seriously look at what/who nOObs are fighting against.
Maybe look at the terrain, invisible walls.

Oh, and I'd rush a PvE hordes mode out... and trading between players... You know, all the things which were supposed to make Dust good and not just some pisspoor version of Unreal.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514/user-reviews?dist=neutral

This game has problems... Lots and lots of problems. It's ok to believe in the idea and potential of what something can be. I don't quiet understand how people can be so misguided and just plain blind in their user reviews of DUST. Uprising is a visual improvement but that's all it really is. This game currently is on the boarder between being just a bad game and mediocre.

Oh noes, this thread is literally the only thread I've seen bashing CCP in days.

The critics must be losing their touch, there were two every hour back in March.

For being a free game, people sure do whine a lot. People need to know that a game like this will improve over time. Just like Eve Online.

I respectfully wonder what CCP is going to screw up next.

I think people aren't annoyed at CCP for what Dust514 is, but rather the potential it's failing to live up to. You have to factor in the sense of ownership that is with a lot of players that have been beta testing for over 6 months. A bad launch isn't just bad for CCP, but also for them. Not to mention a lot of the community can plainly see what needs to be done to fix the game yet it's not being done (or done right) in their opinions and that can be frustrating even if they're incorrect in their assumptions.

Laughing at fanboys is fun, problem?

Under. 5k. players. online.

What you want me to compare Dust 514 with ? A racing game ?

I don't know what they should do, that's like saying "I slit my throat, what should I do?" but I'd start with...
Player count increase, frame rate to be stable and some new basic game modes. King of the hill, capture the flag, free4all, VIP. You know, basic things like that.
I'd seriously look at what/who nOObs are fighting against.
Maybe look at the terrain, invisible walls.

Oh, and I'd rush a PvE hordes mode out... and trading between players... You know, all the things which were supposed to make Dust good and not just some pisspoor version of Unreal.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514/user-reviews?dist=neutral

This game has problems... Lots and lots of problems. It's ok to believe in the idea and potential of what something can be. I don't quiet understand how people can be so misguided and just plain blind in their user reviews of DUST. Uprising is a visual improvement but that's all it really is. This game currently is on the boarder between being just a bad game and mediocre.

DUST=RACING GAME with bonus AR roadkill soup...

As Dust stands now, it's a 6.5-7 score for me. I see the promise, but it still has a long way to go.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514/user-reviews?dist=neutral

This game has problems... Lots and lots of problems. It's ok to believe in the idea and potential of what something can be. I don't quiet understand how people can be so misguided and just plain blind in their user reviews of DUST. Uprising is a visual improvement but that's all it really is. This game currently is on the boarder between being just a bad game and mediocre.

Why would anyone here care about what you have to say?
Not everyone shares your negative view. I'm glad people are being optimistic about the current situation, because they'll help the game. Negative or troll threads wont. It will just show us how immature the community is.

Luckily most part of the community is optimistic and mature.

Llan Heindell.

This Iron Wolf Saber guy is a RIOT!

People review games now based on their potential?

I'm giving Call of Duty :Declassified on VIta a 10.

They could easily patch out all the bad things about it.

Oh, also. Let's give Turning Point: Fall of Liberty a 10 too.

We could reassemble the dev team and get them to patch the **** out of that game too.

lol

Bump..

I'll give it a 5 for now. Not close to AAA FPS.

Again i will ask ... what you propose CCP should do ? Stop all the servers, and forget about Dust 514 ? or re-make the full game, and do "another" official release ? ... maybe rollback to the previous build, and get hammer by critics ?

What ?

I propose that they go back to build 3 in closed beta, even that was **** poor but they had the basics and balance about right.

Got fed up of the game will improve and this and that will be added IN TIME, the game has been around now for about 5 years in one way or another and as i used to say before they take one step forward 3 steps back with no real idea of what they want the game to be.
Or they could go about fixing the real core problems and leave other stuff on the back burner till it's sorted that would be a start.

Well played ? How so ? Dust 514 is a Free to Play, Playstation 3 exclusive....

So either share a valid source for your information, or stop trying to spread blatant lies.

It's being advertised as AAA.

emphasising that while CCP make that claim, it isn't (yet) true.

Shock and horror a lot of people find this game fun. So the people who don't like dust are deluded ones.

The game was poor in beta and was complained about loads and they changed things that worked and left issues alone.

Seems things are still the same , I'll start playing when they sort it.

It's probably just a bunch of devs creating fake accounts and giving it 10/10 anyways, that's how these things work now anyways yea?

To be honest I hadn't even thought of looking at Metacritic. While the game is released now development has not even slowed down internally. We are forging ahead with the next update.

What has me cussing almost every match is how insted of getting caught or hung up on a blade of grass, now it is getting hung up on smooth walls...not sure what gives. I think that perhaps time was invested to quiet the criers could have been used to smooth the graphics a bit. overall, I feel as if this is the same game I was playing 9 month ago just packaged diff...... a bunch of people on 1 knee with tactical AR aiming down a scope worring about kills, and hoping to find that unlucky person that is trying to strafe but is getting hung up on a blade of grass.

No advertising? It's plastered all over the PSN store, IGN, PSNblog, youtube and a bunch of other websites. Take the blinders off your eyes and you might see that.

All the people that gave this game a 10 are going off of it's potential. A potential that has yet to be realized. Fanboys are trying there best to save the game from getting bad scores or from being seen negatively by the public the game is bad plain and simple. Besides a 10 would mean it's perfect and you and anyone else who would rate Dust a ******* 10 are lying to yourselves so you can feel better about Dust.

While I would realistically rate this game a 6 to 7 maybe 7.5 on a good day it's core shooter mechanics are not tight at all it's a mess, graphics improved while I'm not looking for BF3 graphics this game is as poor on graphics quality as MOH:WF, frame rate never goes over 15, lag, poor hit detection.

Maps are to big for player count, maps are to big for the current weapon ranges, things don't render properly, SP takes to long to accumulate to earn better gear, game modes are uninspired and not original Skirmish is basically BF conquest, no true weapon variety all weapons with in a certain class all look the same but they do different things...

Instead of making an AR with single shot, semi auto, and full auto variants wouldn't it have been easier to make one gun with a select fire switch? They then could've focused on actually making more weapons different designs.

Lack of weapon customization! This is a big one not only does my weapon look exactly like the guys standing next to me I can't make it my own. Fitting the way I want no I'll have to wait 6 months to a year for that and this game has been in beta for 1 year but in development way longer than that things like that should be here already.

Dust has promise but it's a half baked FPS with no soul. If CCP would've tried to actually develop the game before putting it in beta it would probably be in a much better place right now! The only thing unique Dust offers is PC but who wants to fight over planets if the core of the game is sloppy?!

How all this " Internal " fighting is going to affect Dust 514 popularity ? Most of the more vocal haters, have 1000+ / 2000+ "likes", they are members of the bigger's corporations in Dust , and alliances in EvE ....

Any noobs that sees this BS, are going to run away before you can say "Opsss"

Well, you know what....I am not mad at those that gave dust great scores. We are trying to increase playerbase. By giving low scores and such and going public with our dislikes of the game, we will only kill the game.

This game needs some changes but still offers more than what current shooters are offering so I'd like to see the game succeed. When I go back to doing commentary, I wont **** on dust either.

Well, you know what....I am not mad at those that gave dust great scores. We are trying to increase playerbase. By giving low scores and such and going public with our dislikes of the game, we will only kill the game.

This game needs some changes but still offers more than what current shooters are offering so I'd like to see the game succeed. When I go back to doing commentary, I wont **** on dust either.

Why does it have to be all or nothing?

Drama queens in here

What I would propose CCP do is take a long hard look at how we got here and how they plan on remedying the multiple issues the game faces in a timely and professional manner. If I were a consultant brought in tomorrow by CCP some suggestions would be:

* Manage the communications with the players better. Information has been inconsistent and often almost deliberately vague.
* Better advertising, work with SOE on this.
* Improve skill tree to provide new players with some low hanging fruit (for example, a basic logi dropsuit for beginners)
* Core mechanics need to be urgently fixed (gun ranges, terrain glitches, aim)
* An acknowledgement that the game is not perfect but with 10 years of incrementally improving EVE they have the will, ability and desire to make this the best serious FPS/MMOFPS humanly possible.

+1 Ydubbs. We've clashed before, but I'm glad to agree with you on this point.

Well, it's never personal

In response to the title of this thread I would have to say both blind and stupid. That's pretty much the definition of a fanboy...

Anyone who says this game is "great" or "awesome", and anyone who tells you to "just quit" when you point out a flaw, is by default a fanboy, because this game by any measure is not great or awesome... but simply okay.

I can say that, even while Dust is the only game I play right now, and I am fairly addicted to it too. Does that mean this game is great? Nope.

I play it a lot because I like to win. I go pure in one thing and enjoy stomping people... and I get really angry when I run face first into a major flaw. Just because I play a lot does not mean the game is great.

That said, posting figures on how many people are playing what game, has no bearing on how good a game is. Sure, the game might be a success as far as CCP's marketing department is concerned.... but it's still just an okay game.

The vast majority of the 5,000 players in Dust are fanboys from Eve... you can pretty much remove those people from your comparissons... but then again you can't really compare to something like MW because that game is riff with fanboys as well.

So if looking at how many people play a game is an inaccurate measure for the quality of a game, then what is an accurate measure? Simple, just go back to the basics....

1. Mechanics.... how well does the game perform? FPS, movement of both infantry and vehicles, aiming, hitboxes, accuracy and falloff (or hard stop in this case), etc etc

2. Visuals... how good does the game look? Again FPS, character models, character textures, map textures and design, map object models and map object textures, lighting, particle effects, etc etc

3. Gameplay.... how interesting is the actual game play? For example modern warfare is the worst FPS in history because it has no interesting gameplay, run and gun run and gun.... at least dust has objectives and vehicles. MW is only popular because of preteens who never heard of real first person shooters.

4. Interaction... what kind of, and what quality of interaction with other players?


There are of course more basic elements to measure a game... but these are the primary ones. So then lets see how dust stacks up....

1. Mechanics.... NEAR FAIL! Sadly, the latest patch nearly destroyed the mechanics, and this is the one biggest complaint I have seen from players who just started playing on the 14th. Aiming is jacked up for both infantry and vehicles, mostly for vehicles. The hitboxes are ridiculously small and the bullet falloff isnt a falloff, its a hard stop.

2. Visuals... Dust 514 looks like a game built in 2006, not 2013. There is really no excuse for this except CCP being VERY CHEAP by using an engine that was built for a really old game, instead of building their own engine. However, without using that old engine Dust would not exist today... it would have been too expensive for CCP to get people behind the idea of Dust, unless there was an already built engine, albeit old.... it did work...

This category will be what holds back CCP in the next couple years, and may be the reason for its ultimate demise because unless they build a nice fancy new engine in the next 2 or 3 years, they will not be able to compete with EA Game's newest engine that they will likely have in 3 years. Along with the rest of the gaming industry. It will be like choosing to play 007 on the N64, or battlefield 6 on the PS4... what would you choose?

3. Gamplay... This is Dust's best category, somewhat ironicly considering the amount of hype generated by CCP to get people to believe dust was TOTALLY integrated with Eve... but sadly that isnt really true. Very little of what happens in Eve affects Dust, and vice versa. VERY little. Sure you will say "THE FUTURE!!!" but that is the future and this is today... Dust may very well be a great game in the future, but today its just an "okay" game.

There are plenty of games with a whole lot more interesting gameplay that dust... pretty much any major FPS aside from modern warfare has more interesting gameplay. The only thing that has kept me playing and spending money on dust, is tanks... which are being destroyed... so yea.. that might not last long.

With everyone screaming nerf this and break that... there will eventually be nothing worth doing except run and gun run and gun just like modern warfare except with crappy graphics and even crappier mechanics.

4. Interaction.... meh... nuff said.

So as you can see (unless your a blind fanboy, then you can't see shyt) Dust really is just an okay game.

There really should be no debate after reading this, unless your just a stupid fanboy... because everything I have listed above is not a matter of opinion, but solid fact. FACT, so please just shut up already.

Just because I play a lot does not mean the game is great.

i'm waiting for somebody to take this on.

...

Right, well then. With nothing else to do, I'll gladly take this wall of text on.

1. Strictly speaking, I haven't played the new build. Something to do with my PS3 being a few hundred miles away. However, right from closed beta, I've never noticed anything wrong with hitboxes or faulty FPS mechanics. Don't get me wrong, I'm the first to complain when the controls are bad (Section 8), but on the whole, after some adaptation, I found it to be alright. I switched from DS3 to KB/M, as that's my preferred method of input for FPS's, turned off aim assist (as that was bugging me, and causing me to aim off a little bit), but apart from that, I was fairly happy. By the sounds of it, this build has ruined the controls, but that has mostly been fixed by the latest patch.

2. A game engine is the most difficult part of the game to build. Most engines take two or three years to build, regardless of game content. For the record, this game runs on the Unreal Engine. Unreal 3, I believe. There are rumors being passed around that they're developing in Unreal 4, but are porting across to Unreal 3 as the port is extremely easy to do. Now, if you have issues with the engine, the same engine is used in Gears of War, APB, Arkham Asylum and City, Bioshock Infinite, Borderlands 1 and 2, Bulletstorm, Dishonored, ME 1, 2 and 3... I could go on. Now, blaming the engine is looking mighty silly, no? Unreal 4 is looking to the future, as Unreal 4 cannot be used on PS3 but it CAN be used on PS4. Blaming the visuals on this engine is simply a lack of understanding regarding how a game works. The engine requires both textures and meshes in order to load up the graphics. I can imagine CCP are being conservative about both, as they want to slowly manage the workload of the aging hardware of our PS3's. And also to optimise the engine for their own purposes.

3. I can agree with you to some degree on this point. On the other hand, PC allows you to conquer a planet and develop it for your own purposes. It allows a greater degree of persistence than any other FPS, MMO or otherwise, out there. Why? There's a distinct advantage to holding more districts, in that you have a better income and a greater ability to fight. That's what's currently IN GAME. As with most other games, such as Planetside 2, there is no long-term benefit to holding territory. Admittedly only available to the larger corporations at the present time, but the mechanic has still been implemented.

4. "Interaction.... meh... nuff said." I'm not sure what to make of this. Are you complaining that you're unable to interact to players "face-to-face"? There are plenty of ways to interact with other players, including, but not limited to, shooting them in the face, blowing them up, speaking to them over chat channels, running them over with an LAV, speaking to them over the VoIP, and last but not least, squadding up with them and helping each other in a match.

So you haven't played uprising yet and are trying to partake in a discussion about it.

In response to the title of this thread I would have to say both blind and stupid. That's pretty much the definition of a fanboy...

Anyone who says this game is "great" or "awesome", and anyone who tells you to "just quit" when you point out a flaw, is by default a fanboy, because this game by any measure is not great or awesome... but simply okay.

I can say that, even while Dust is the only game I play right now, and I am fairly addicted to it too. Does that mean this game is great? Nope.

I play it a lot because I like to win. I go pure in one thing and enjoy stomping people... and I get really angry when I run face first into a major flaw. Just because I play a lot does not mean the game is great.

That said, posting figures on how many people are playing what game, has no bearing on how good a game is. Sure, the game might be a success as far as CCP's marketing department is concerned.... but it's still just an okay game.

The vast majority of the 5,000 players in Dust are fanboys from Eve... you can pretty much remove those people from your comparissons... but then again you can't really compare to something like MW because that game is riff with fanboys as well.

So if looking at how many people play a game is an inaccurate measure for the quality of a game, then what is an accurate measure? Simple, just go back to the basics....

1. Mechanics.... how well does the game perform? FPS, movement of both infantry and vehicles, aiming, hitboxes, accuracy and falloff (or hard stop in this case), etc etc

2. Visuals... how good does the game look? Again FPS, character models, character textures, map textures and design, map object models and map object textures, lighting, particle effects, etc etc

3. Gameplay.... how interesting is the actual game play? For example modern warfare is the worst FPS in history because it has no interesting gameplay, run and gun run and gun.... at least dust has objectives and vehicles. MW is only popular because of preteens who never heard of real first person shooters.

4. Interaction... what kind of, and what quality of interaction with other players?


There are of course more basic elements to measure a game... but these are the primary ones. So then lets see how dust stacks up....

1. Mechanics.... NEAR FAIL! Sadly, the latest patch nearly destroyed the mechanics, and this is the one biggest complaint I have seen from players who just started playing on the 14th. Aiming is jacked up for both infantry and vehicles, mostly for vehicles. The hitboxes are ridiculously small and the bullet falloff isnt a falloff, its a hard stop.

2. Visuals... Dust 514 looks like a game built in 2006, not 2013. There is really no excuse for this except CCP being VERY CHEAP by using an engine that was built for a really old game, instead of building their own engine. However, without using that old engine Dust would not exist today... it would have been too expensive for CCP to get people behind the idea of Dust, unless there was an already built engine, albeit old.... it did work...

This category will be what holds back CCP in the next couple years, and may be the reason for its ultimate demise because unless they build a nice fancy new engine in the next 2 or 3 years, they will not be able to compete with EA Game's newest engine that they will likely have in 3 years. Along with the rest of the gaming industry. It will be like choosing to play 007 on the N64, or battlefield 6 on the PS4... what would you choose?

3. Gamplay... This is Dust's best category, somewhat ironicly considering the amount of hype generated by CCP to get people to believe dust was TOTALLY integrated with Eve... but sadly that isnt really true. Very little of what happens in Eve affects Dust, and vice versa. VERY little. Sure you will say "THE FUTURE!!!" but that is the future and this is today... Dust may very well be a great game in the future, but today its just an "okay" game.

There are plenty of games with a whole lot more interesting gameplay that dust... pretty much any major FPS aside from modern warfare has more interesting gameplay. The only thing that has kept me playing and spending money on dust, is tanks... which are being destroyed... so yea.. that might not last long.

With everyone screaming nerf this and break that... there will eventually be nothing worth doing except run and gun run and gun just like modern warfare except with crappy graphics and even crappier mechanics.

4. Interaction.... meh... nuff said.

So as you can see (unless your a blind fanboy, then you can't see shyt) Dust really is just an okay game.

There really should be no debate after reading this, unless your just a stupid fanboy... because everything I have listed above is not a matter of opinion, but solid fact. FACT, so please just shut up already.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514/user-reviews?dist=neutral

This game has problems... Lots and lots of problems. It's ok to believe in the idea and potential of what something can be. I don't quiet understand how people can be so misguided and just plain blind in their user reviews of DUST. Uprising is a visual improvement but that's all it really is. This game currently is on the boarder between being just a bad game and mediocre.

I approve this message.

Also this game needs to seriously simplify how you group with your friends. Why the **** do i need to add my friends to ingame contact lists when the PSN already has one? It should be start a squad, invite player, invite sent and squad started. Or if my buddy is in a game it should say so like in literally every other FPS. Why is there no option to join a friends battle?


If this game is to survive it needs to seriously unfuck itself. The story is awesome but the gameplay is meh.
They should just release DUST 514 as a book series.

The man speaks the truth

Also, a good way to make sense of a metacritic score is to look at the consistencies between the positive views as a whole and the negative reviews as a whole:

Positive: THE FUTURE!!!
Negative: The controls.

Well, the future, like the guy I'm quoting is not what we're evaluating here. The consistent complaint about controls is definitely a red flag, however.

I approve this message.

Also this game needs to seriously simplify how you group with your friends. Why the **** do i need to add my friends to ingame contact lists when the PSN already has one? It should be start a squad, invite player, invite sent and squad started. Or if my buddy is in a game it should say so like in literally every other FPS. Why is there no option to join a friends battle?


If this game is to survive it needs to seriously unfuck itself. The story is awesome but the gameplay is meh.
They should just release DUST 514 as a book series.

Because over the next few months, if you're in any kind of corp even worth talking about, you're going to end up with a lot of friends in EVE too who'll you trust with your oribital strikes. Your manufacturers and your retailers when our markets are merged.

Limit yourself to Dust, and you'll be very far behind the curve. EVE players cannot add themselves to your PSN list.

Also do you seriously intend to add everyone you liase with in dust alone to your PSN list? Why not just the ingame contacts rather than having them harass you while you're playing whatever other game on your PS3, when you've no intention of dealing with em outside of Dust?

Why would anyone want to interact with EVE spastics?

I love how people are absolutely ruthless in tearing apart any player who has a complaint about the game.

But they get all warm and gushy between the legs whenever they talk about CCP. "CCP never does anything wrong [slurp]. CCP is awesome to release and advertise a 2007 quality game in 2013 [slurp]." And my personal favorite "it's going to be a great game in several years from now [slurp slurp] so you shouldn't criticize it for being a piece of garbage now [slurpity slurp slurp]

The man speaks the truth

Also, a good way to make sense of a metacritic score is to look at the consistencies between the positive views as a whole and the negative reviews as a whole:

Positive: THE FUTURE!!!
Negative: The controls.

Well, the future, like the guy I'm quoting is not what we're evaluating here. The consistent complaint about controls is definitely a red flag, however.

To be honest, protoman isn't far off.

A lot of people are simply unable or unwilling to provide criticism to something they enjoy and love. I love dust, but I'm not afraid to criticize it.

There's a lot wrong with Uprising. Like Protoman said : It's completely okay to believe in the potential of something. I think that's why pretty much all of us fell in love with dust. If CCP can pull it off.. It will be the game shooter fans have been craving for years.

Up until fanfest, I wasn't sure if CCP would be able to follow through. The beta was a shaky start to put it mildly. Having had a chance to talk to a lot of the devs in person and hear a more thorough plan moving forward... I'm reasonably confident that CCP has gotten their act together. Nearly every dev I introduced myself to said "Oh man, you're the guy who wrote that post!" And everything they said to me afterwards indicated that they seem to have actually gotten the message.


Uprising really shows this. We've pushed for more communication from the devs, and we've had more devposts since uprising (Meaningful posts, with actual details) than we've had in the entire 12 months previous combined.


But like protoman said : Don't be blind. As a community, acknowledge the problem. Be constructive. Don't just say "LOL SO BROKE WTF CCP" Tell them what the problem is. Why it is a problem. Be as clear as possible, maybe even suggest ways to fix it.

That is how we can help them fix this game. I've been seeing more goodposts lately. Keep it up community :)

Edit : As far as metacritic goes : I'd probably give it about a 6 currently. As far as bugs go, we're close to the modern industry standard for "release with tons of bugs, patch later" mentality now.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514/user-reviews?dist=neutral

This game has problems... Lots and lots of problems. It's ok to believe in the idea and potential of what something can be. I don't quiet understand how people can be so misguided and just plain blind in their user reviews of DUST. Uprising is a visual improvement but that's all it really is. This game currently is on the boarder between being just a bad game and mediocre.

Positive: THE FUTURE!!!
Negative: The controls.