DUST=RACING GAME with bonus AR roadkill soup...

As Dust stands now, it's a 6.5-7 score for me. I see the promise, but it still has a long way to go.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514/user-reviews?dist=neutral

This game has problems... Lots and lots of problems. It's ok to believe in the idea and potential of what something can be. I don't quiet understand how people can be so misguided and just plain blind in their user reviews of DUST. Uprising is a visual improvement but that's all it really is. This game currently is on the boarder between being just a bad game and mediocre.

Why would anyone here care about what you have to say?
Not everyone shares your negative view. I'm glad people are being optimistic about the current situation, because they'll help the game. Negative or troll threads wont. It will just show us how immature the community is.

Luckily most part of the community is optimistic and mature.

Llan Heindell.

This Iron Wolf Saber guy is a RIOT!

People review games now based on their potential?

I'm giving Call of Duty :Declassified on VIta a 10.

They could easily patch out all the bad things about it.

Oh, also. Let's give Turning Point: Fall of Liberty a 10 too.

We could reassemble the dev team and get them to patch the **** out of that game too.

lol

Bump..

I'll give it a 5 for now. Not close to AAA FPS.

Again i will ask ... what you propose CCP should do ? Stop all the servers, and forget about Dust 514 ? or re-make the full game, and do "another" official release ? ... maybe rollback to the previous build, and get hammer by critics ?

What ?

I propose that they go back to build 3 in closed beta, even that was **** poor but they had the basics and balance about right.

Got fed up of the game will improve and this and that will be added IN TIME, the game has been around now for about 5 years in one way or another and as i used to say before they take one step forward 3 steps back with no real idea of what they want the game to be.
Or they could go about fixing the real core problems and leave other stuff on the back burner till it's sorted that would be a start.

Well played ? How so ? Dust 514 is a Free to Play, Playstation 3 exclusive....

So either share a valid source for your information, or stop trying to spread blatant lies.

It's being advertised as AAA.

emphasising that while CCP make that claim, it isn't (yet) true.

Shock and horror a lot of people find this game fun. So the people who don't like dust are deluded ones.

The game was poor in beta and was complained about loads and they changed things that worked and left issues alone.

Seems things are still the same , I'll start playing when they sort it.

It's probably just a bunch of devs creating fake accounts and giving it 10/10 anyways, that's how these things work now anyways yea?

To be honest I hadn't even thought of looking at Metacritic. While the game is released now development has not even slowed down internally. We are forging ahead with the next update.

What has me cussing almost every match is how insted of getting caught or hung up on a blade of grass, now it is getting hung up on smooth walls...not sure what gives. I think that perhaps time was invested to quiet the criers could have been used to smooth the graphics a bit. overall, I feel as if this is the same game I was playing 9 month ago just packaged diff...... a bunch of people on 1 knee with tactical AR aiming down a scope worring about kills, and hoping to find that unlucky person that is trying to strafe but is getting hung up on a blade of grass.

No advertising? It's plastered all over the PSN store, IGN, PSNblog, youtube and a bunch of other websites. Take the blinders off your eyes and you might see that.

All the people that gave this game a 10 are going off of it's potential. A potential that has yet to be realized. Fanboys are trying there best to save the game from getting bad scores or from being seen negatively by the public the game is bad plain and simple. Besides a 10 would mean it's perfect and you and anyone else who would rate Dust a ******* 10 are lying to yourselves so you can feel better about Dust.

While I would realistically rate this game a 6 to 7 maybe 7.5 on a good day it's core shooter mechanics are not tight at all it's a mess, graphics improved while I'm not looking for BF3 graphics this game is as poor on graphics quality as MOH:WF, frame rate never goes over 15, lag, poor hit detection.

Maps are to big for player count, maps are to big for the current weapon ranges, things don't render properly, SP takes to long to accumulate to earn better gear, game modes are uninspired and not original Skirmish is basically BF conquest, no true weapon variety all weapons with in a certain class all look the same but they do different things...

Instead of making an AR with single shot, semi auto, and full auto variants wouldn't it have been easier to make one gun with a select fire switch? They then could've focused on actually making more weapons different designs.

Lack of weapon customization! This is a big one not only does my weapon look exactly like the guys standing next to me I can't make it my own. Fitting the way I want no I'll have to wait 6 months to a year for that and this game has been in beta for 1 year but in development way longer than that things like that should be here already.

Dust has promise but it's a half baked FPS with no soul. If CCP would've tried to actually develop the game before putting it in beta it would probably be in a much better place right now! The only thing unique Dust offers is PC but who wants to fight over planets if the core of the game is sloppy?!

How all this " Internal " fighting is going to affect Dust 514 popularity ? Most of the more vocal haters, have 1000+ / 2000+ "likes", they are members of the bigger's corporations in Dust , and alliances in EvE ....

Any noobs that sees this BS, are going to run away before you can say "Opsss"

Well, you know what....I am not mad at those that gave dust great scores. We are trying to increase playerbase. By giving low scores and such and going public with our dislikes of the game, we will only kill the game.

This game needs some changes but still offers more than what current shooters are offering so I'd like to see the game succeed. When I go back to doing commentary, I wont **** on dust either.

Well, you know what....I am not mad at those that gave dust great scores. We are trying to increase playerbase. By giving low scores and such and going public with our dislikes of the game, we will only kill the game.

This game needs some changes but still offers more than what current shooters are offering so I'd like to see the game succeed. When I go back to doing commentary, I wont **** on dust either.

Why does it have to be all or nothing?

Drama queens in here

What I would propose CCP do is take a long hard look at how we got here and how they plan on remedying the multiple issues the game faces in a timely and professional manner. If I were a consultant brought in tomorrow by CCP some suggestions would be:

* Manage the communications with the players better. Information has been inconsistent and often almost deliberately vague.
* Better advertising, work with SOE on this.
* Improve skill tree to provide new players with some low hanging fruit (for example, a basic logi dropsuit for beginners)
* Core mechanics need to be urgently fixed (gun ranges, terrain glitches, aim)
* An acknowledgement that the game is not perfect but with 10 years of incrementally improving EVE they have the will, ability and desire to make this the best serious FPS/MMOFPS humanly possible.

+1 Ydubbs. We've clashed before, but I'm glad to agree with you on this point.

Well, it's never personal

In response to the title of this thread I would have to say both blind and stupid. That's pretty much the definition of a fanboy...

Anyone who says this game is "great" or "awesome", and anyone who tells you to "just quit" when you point out a flaw, is by default a fanboy, because this game by any measure is not great or awesome... but simply okay.

I can say that, even while Dust is the only game I play right now, and I am fairly addicted to it too. Does that mean this game is great? Nope.

I play it a lot because I like to win. I go pure in one thing and enjoy stomping people... and I get really angry when I run face first into a major flaw. Just because I play a lot does not mean the game is great.

That said, posting figures on how many people are playing what game, has no bearing on how good a game is. Sure, the game might be a success as far as CCP's marketing department is concerned.... but it's still just an okay game.

The vast majority of the 5,000 players in Dust are fanboys from Eve... you can pretty much remove those people from your comparissons... but then again you can't really compare to something like MW because that game is riff with fanboys as well.

So if looking at how many people play a game is an inaccurate measure for the quality of a game, then what is an accurate measure? Simple, just go back to the basics....

1. Mechanics.... how well does the game perform? FPS, movement of both infantry and vehicles, aiming, hitboxes, accuracy and falloff (or hard stop in this case), etc etc

2. Visuals... how good does the game look? Again FPS, character models, character textures, map textures and design, map object models and map object textures, lighting, particle effects, etc etc

3. Gameplay.... how interesting is the actual game play? For example modern warfare is the worst FPS in history because it has no interesting gameplay, run and gun run and gun.... at least dust has objectives and vehicles. MW is only popular because of preteens who never heard of real first person shooters.

4. Interaction... what kind of, and what quality of interaction with other players?


There are of course more basic elements to measure a game... but these are the primary ones. So then lets see how dust stacks up....

1. Mechanics.... NEAR FAIL! Sadly, the latest patch nearly destroyed the mechanics, and this is the one biggest complaint I have seen from players who just started playing on the 14th. Aiming is jacked up for both infantry and vehicles, mostly for vehicles. The hitboxes are ridiculously small and the bullet falloff isnt a falloff, its a hard stop.

2. Visuals... Dust 514 looks like a game built in 2006, not 2013. There is really no excuse for this except CCP being VERY CHEAP by using an engine that was built for a really old game, instead of building their own engine. However, without using that old engine Dust would not exist today... it would have been too expensive for CCP to get people behind the idea of Dust, unless there was an already built engine, albeit old.... it did work...

This category will be what holds back CCP in the next couple years, and may be the reason for its ultimate demise because unless they build a nice fancy new engine in the next 2 or 3 years, they will not be able to compete with EA Game's newest engine that they will likely have in 3 years. Along with the rest of the gaming industry. It will be like choosing to play 007 on the N64, or battlefield 6 on the PS4... what would you choose?

3. Gamplay... This is Dust's best category, somewhat ironicly considering the amount of hype generated by CCP to get people to believe dust was TOTALLY integrated with Eve... but sadly that isnt really true. Very little of what happens in Eve affects Dust, and vice versa. VERY little. Sure you will say "THE FUTURE!!!" but that is the future and this is today... Dust may very well be a great game in the future, but today its just an "okay" game.

There are plenty of games with a whole lot more interesting gameplay that dust... pretty much any major FPS aside from modern warfare has more interesting gameplay. The only thing that has kept me playing and spending money on dust, is tanks... which are being destroyed... so yea.. that might not last long.

With everyone screaming nerf this and break that... there will eventually be nothing worth doing except run and gun run and gun just like modern warfare except with crappy graphics and even crappier mechanics.

4. Interaction.... meh... nuff said.

So as you can see (unless your a blind fanboy, then you can't see shyt) Dust really is just an okay game.

There really should be no debate after reading this, unless your just a stupid fanboy... because everything I have listed above is not a matter of opinion, but solid fact. FACT, so please just shut up already.

Just because I play a lot does not mean the game is great.

i'm waiting for somebody to take this on.

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