I wouldnt say limit the weapons of a logi suit (although it seems "logi"cal to do so). But I'm thinking they should be a bigger target like they were in the last build. And the number of high and low power slots should be cut down. I dont understand the need dfor a support class to have all of those slots.

****, the minmatar proto has 5 highs but the downfall is that you only get 2 lows. So, why does the logi get to have 4?

The forums have reached a new low. This thread is just full of so much fail. Pls troll harder

Frankly I would make 7 slots the max for logis, turn those 5s into 4s, not sure what to take from the Minmatar suit...
Keep them at 8 and cut even more HP

Keep in mind that they always had a better slot layout than assaults, and no one ever complained.

Awwwwwwww...Everyone give OP a hug, guess it's been a rough day...

You want to ****ing nerf medics now?! WTF is wrong with these forums?

I don't know what's crazier, this topic or the request to roll back to the Codex build.

Chromosome was better balance wise...

I wouldnt say limit the weapons of a logi suit (although it seems "logi"cal to do so). But I'm thinking they should be a bigger target like they were in the last build. And the number of high and low power slots should be cut down. I dont understand the need dfor a support class to have all of those slots.

****, the minmatar proto has 5 highs but the downfall is that you only get 2 lows. So, why does the logi get to have 4?

You actually think is better balanced than Chromosme? Or did you just turn your brain off while typing that list?

I don't know if it's better than Chromosome or not because Uprising has only been out for two days. Give it a chance, post some constructive criticism (not rants) and try to re-learn how everything works. Treat it like a new game. Going back to Chromosome is just crazy talk, crazy talk that beats the topic we just derailed.

(Nerfing ****ing medics)

Flux grenade you jackass nuff said.

1. OP Tac ARs.
2. Logis that don't need Assaults, Scouts or Heavies.
3. they're a bigger joke now (can't improve on this line)
4. bad hit detection on everything, especially Scouts.
5. At least our skills still actually applied correctly to vehicles in Chromosome. And we still had Marauders.
6. This isn't a balance issue, with Chromosome OR Uprising.

You actually think is better balanced than Chromosme? Or did you just turn your brain off while typing that list?

Amarr (who even get their Sidearm slot back)?

This is probably the most ridiculous thread I have every read over the past 11 months. Clearly you do not understand the true limitations of the Logistics dropsuit.

I get one weapons slot and you want to give me Sidearm, Swarm Launcher, Laser Rifle or Plasma Gun?!?!?! Gimmie a !@#$ing break.

Every fitting has a weakness. Your job is to find it, exploit it and then kill the guy/gal using it. If you can't, then run the other direction.

Here ended the lesson.

So your weakness is not having a pistol >..>

Flux grenade you jackass nuff said.

BTW I just hink that minmatar an Caldari are op. And again since nothing will be made, i'll use them myself. :*

Youre dead by a 2 complex damg mod duvolle AR while you throw it
. whos the jackass now.

So your weakness is not having a pistol >..>

No my weakness is not, not having a pistol. There are inherent weaknesses in all dropsuit configurations. The lack of a sidearm is just one when it comes to most Logistics dropsuits.

My reaction to the suggested weapons a Logistics player should be limited to is based on that one element. In my view, when I only have the ability to carry a single weapon, that weapon should have optimal versatility in the greatest number of possible situations. None of the weapons listed meet that criteria. They are all specially weapons, effective for limited and specialized tasks.

Bottom-line...I risk my ISK wading out into the fray to revive and heal down teammates every match. Why should my offensive capability be restricted any more than it already is because other players decide to use a suit for some other purpose other than support. This game was suppose to be about unique player choice.

Nerf the Logi's? The most critical role on the battlefield!?

Are you Nucking Futz!?

QFT

And if you want a weakness, look at how much SP we have to invest just to be able to do our ****ing job! Assaults can get by with their basic suits (which are the suits in chromosome) but I had to dump 1.8 mil just to have multiple equipment slots to do my medical stuff. Then there's the SP that goes into repair tools, nano hives, needles (that don't ****ing work right now) drop uplinks, remote explosives, and proximity mines. By the time I had all that stuff, I barely had enough for my one weapon I'm allowed to equip. My fittings probably cost almost twice your fittings too. Come nerf me bro!

Im asking for limitations on the weapons they use.

Biggest nerf ever, I'd rather lose 3 slots than not be allowed to use an AR.

How's this for a solution?

Logis have to fill all Equipment slots.

Why would anyone waste the SP to skill into Caldari Logistics Dropsuits to run some sort of assault build? I mean you could just spec into Basic suits and accomplish nearly the same thing. And save yourself a few million skill points. The friggin' Minmatar Basic Proto has a better and more balanced shield/armor stats, better speed/mobility, a second weapon slot, 5 high slots, 2 lows and an equipment. This argument is just ludicrous.

Not every logistics is supposed to stick behind a heavy suit with a rep tool. That is just my oppinion.

There are now several types of logistics fittings, not just armor-repair guys.

Garrett that isn't a solution because any logi worth their dust fills their equipment slots anyway. The point of a logi is to support your squad by helping them continue with the momentum on the battlefield they gather. This is where people get confused because they think that keeping momentum is about being alive, when in actual fact it means that there isn't anything in your way. The logi performs this by using its versatility, you take that away by limiting the weapon usage and you instantly destroy the sole purpose of the logi. Sometimes you need to fall back, heal your guys, pick them up, resupply them to keep them in the fight. Sometimes you gotta get our your wep and keep the bullets flying ( The fundamental behind the heavy ).

It's perplexing how people can jump into a convo without knowing what they are talking about.

the issue at hand (which was explained earlier in this thread.. in the OP actually) is that the Caldari logistics suit gets a 5% bonus to shield extender efficacy per level. that means that at level 5, every 4 shield extenders pretty much adds up to an extra one. Not just that, but the suit has 5 highs, 4 lows, and 3 equipment slots. It also is moderately fast (which can be improved with it's 4 low slots), and it has already high EHP out of the box.

It is currently the most OP suit in the game. This is possibly subject to change when the scrambler rifles come out. Hopefully they do like 150% damage to shields, and 50% to armor or something crazy dramatic like that. Currently the only way to upset the massive amounts of over-tanked caldari suits is to use flux grenades.

The problem is, Logis are too good at being fitted as Assaults, using their extra PG and CPU to fit better modules INSTEAD OF EQUIPMENT.

If they can't do that, because they have to fit equipment FIRST, then they're more likely to actually run Logi suits as Logi suits, and less likely to run as almost-Heavy HP with almost-Assault speed and damage-mod-stacked weapons.

The mere fact of so many people complaining about me suggesting taking away some Assault weapon options proves my point..........

The mere fact of so many people complaining about me suggesting taking away some Assault weapon options proves my point..........

The mere fact of so many people complaining about me suggesting taking away some Assault weapon options proves my point..........

Actually we are complaining at your idea because it takes away one of the key reasons people play logistics for and that is the versatility. Some of us don't like being sat behind a heavy with a rep tool (specially as it doesn't give you points the whole time, so might as well do some killing while the WP cooldown ends). I run squads with mainly assault guys and some heavies and so I need to be able to perform to some extent with them. To be able to survive and provide the support needed by a logistics player ( offensively and defensively) I sacrifice my speed, the extra weapon slot and now sticking out on the battlefield in my new bright yellow costume.

Actually we are complaining at your idea because it takes away one of the key reasons people play logistics for and that is the versatility. Some of us don't like being sat behind a heavy with a rep tool (specially as it doesn't give you points the whole time, so might as well do some killing while the WP cooldown ends). I run squads with mainly assault guys and some heavies and so I need to be able to perform to some extent with them. To be able to survive and provide the support needed by a logistics player ( offensively and defensively) I sacrifice my speed, the extra weapon slot and now sticking out on the battlefield in my new bright yellow costume.

If you assaults didn't QQ about heavies they all wouldn't have quit to play logis.

You call it ''VERSATILITY'' ,but your versatility goes far beyond that.A logi can be a one man army easy.

So +25% Shield Extender bonus + 5 high slots doesnt sound a little too much for you?
PLUS CPU 390/78pg to back it up?
Plus Shield 4 seconds shield recharge rate and 6 on DEPLETED?
Your a little slow? can fix that with 4 low powered modules, easy.

Dont have sidearm? cry me a river....

If you dont like to do support work dont use the Logi suit.

The yellow color , yah that does suck. I dont like the yellow color on that Caldari Logi , but i guess i'll have to live with it.. see? this is me adapting : 3

The AR is one of the only weapons in the game that is effective at mid and short-range. If you only have one weapon slot, using weapons with severely restricted ranges means you're hamstrung in a variety of situations where other classes can just switch to a sidearm (Sniper being rushed at short range, Swarm Launcher being rushed, person with a pistol taking AR fire). Logis sacrifice weapon versatility, and need to use a good all-round weapon.

Saying someone can't carry a rifle at all (only sidearms) is silly. Infantry + rifle is a thing because it's how things often work in real life. Troops of all roles will have combat rifles because it's a relatively versatile weapon with flexible range. This is why there aren't scenes in Full Metal Jacket with some of the troops holding rifles when marching, but others carrying just a pistol. It would be stupid.

Learn to flux and HTFU.

How about we settle it this way: Make an alt and spec into logi and see how OP it really is. Hell, you got an early look at all the suit stats like the rest of us. If Logi is so OP, why didn't you spec into one?

I like carrying Anti Vehicle grenades. why do i need to use a specific grenade to counter only 1 dropsuit?

I like carrying Anti Vehicle grenades. why do i need to use a specific grenade to counter only 1 dropsuit?

I don't know, why do people need to carry a certain kind of grenade to counter vehicles?

Because people are too lazy to spec into AV that take their precious AR away.

I use shotguns >..>
so you are saying i must spec into swarm to take care of vehicles just because i need flux to kill cald logis? LOL

I use shotguns >..>
so you are saying i must spec into swarm to take care of vehicles just because i need flux to kill cald logis? LOL

I use shotguns >..>
so you are saying i must spec into swarm to take care of vehicles just because i need flux to kill cald logis? LOL

Im gonna go ahead and try this,
4 complex shield extenders
1 light damage mod
2 complex sprint mods
1 complex armor repairer
1 slot to increase CPU or PG s needed, IF i need it.

One badass shotgun

Remote explosives
AV grenades
Compact nanohive

how does it sound? i dont need scout armors anymore :3
I'll just run around shooting people in the face with 510 shields (no passive upgrades included,just the Caldari logi onnes)

I would use lasers if people didnt complain and got the nerfed rock bottom :3

Yeah, let me know what the SP total is on maxing:

Caldari Medium (6x), Caldari Logistics (10x), Shield Extensions (3x), Armor Repair (3x), Dropsuit Biotic upgrades (3x),Kinetic Catalyzers (6x), Handheld weapon upgrades (2x) - since you need to max all of those for what you're asking. I'm also curious about the fitting cost on that one - since you're not using an passives for PG/CPU. You'd still need points in explosives and nanocircuitry for that too.

Without any passives at all, only the bare minimum in the shield/armor ones to get to extenders/reppers, and only 5 shotgun, no proficiency, and no fitting bonuses... 10.8 million. Enjoy!

I have enough. I might not get it 100% ready right away, but a couple of weeks. Did enough sp playing with my homies of ANON killers ;)
I will,and i'll let you know how it turns out.

REMEMBER not everybody is new at this game...

I can tell you already, you'll need the fitting bonuses as well. That's two 5x skills. Go forth, and reap on the battlefield. Try to avoid flux grenades though, and consider getting the shield and armor passives at some point.

i just fought a Caldari Logi bro from Pink fluffy bounty hunters.He was packing a Duvolle AR and Beautifull 650 shielding + who knows how much armor.115 maybe?.

Thats a 765 total HP Assault with 6.6 sprinting speed.(IF HE DIDNT USE SPRINTING SPEED MODS,which i doubt)

NO SUPPORT. Just good ol' Assault tanking. Yeah...DIVERSITY.....

I just see the future: Beautiful yellow 6 man squads all equipped with Proto AR's Rushing in...
All packed with nanohives,nanite injectors,remote explosives and what not.
All packing 700+ HP....
Thats gonna be fun.

Im off. Keep at it boys...

my caldari logi has 679 shields 376 armor sprint speed is 4.7m.. to some this may seem OP.. but this set up cost 130k isk per death and 12million sp to spec into.. so basically OP is trying to say is 12mill sp shouldnt allow more skills dmg dmg reduction as 5 mill sp..

fyi 12mill sp maxed out weapon, dmg mods, shield ext, suits, & lvl 4 cpu/pg upgrades.. that means another 10mill is needed for tools, armor rep, armor plates, shield reg & rechrg.. logis OP???? id think b4 you speak.. any other class is speced & specialised around 15 mill... logis 25 mill if not more.. OH BTW if yall read as goid as QQ you could of specd what you think is OP... so CCP please dont punish other ppls decisions and hard earned sp b/c D-bags are to stupid to fend for themselves...
nuff said have a nice day!

Doesn't change the fact that most players are treating this as an Oficcer Caldari Assault. Ever thought about it?

The main reason you are now using this suit is because of how easy it is to tank damage and for those many times I killed you with my SMG while you previously used Heavy.

Logi needs to be sidearm only to better fit their role, don't come in with the bs "we specialized into it so it's ok" when everyone currently treats this as a slayer.

They are what will be referred to as LOGIPROS, they are not LOGIBROS. They are using logi suits but they are not logibros. A logibro is a dedication, a calling of the highest order. These are killers, slayers, wolves hiding behind the uniform of a medic/mechanic/and a generally good guy. These men are to be feared. Watch yourselves and don't be fooled by their appearance. Minmatar and Amarr are still logibro in my book. I haven't tested the Caldari or Gallente (requires another 8mill sp to do so) but the others are definitely more geared to Logibro. Gallente has a huge possibility with all those low slots to be an amazing LogiBro or wild armor tank, we will see in time.

My first response the the Caldari Log was the same. It is an amazing shield tanking machine of death, an with the AMARR suit only having 3H/3L how can it compare? If these are the final builds of the suits, and we must assume that they are, then the balance would have to come in currently available items (flux and MD) or future items not yet out. Unfortunately that is what it is.

But, if ever a new item/mod comes out that completely destroys the shields of these players they will be sad, call for a nerf, and the whole thing starts over. They have skilled proto. So they must either make it work in other ways or skill into a new class. Or (hopefully a respec option is eventually put out) wait till may 14th and pray for a respec so you too can be cool like a logiPRO

Logistic Suits are getting a little too much i say.They are creating a Meta staple of Massive total HP Assault units with unlimited restrictions and unlimited custom-ability...

They are supposed to be SUPPORT dropsuits.And they are ABUSED into creating Monstrous Assault Loadouts.
AND IM TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HE CALDARI LOGI

What prevents a player of Tanking with , say a Calgari Logi?
And this is not Regular Tanking. This is Heavy+ level tanking with Assault class speed.

2-3 Complex shield Extenders (that get a total of 25% efficiency EACH at level 5 Caldari Logi , 82.5+ per shield ext)
2-3 Complex damage mods
Whatever the **** they want on their 4 low powered mod slots?

Any weapon they want...say Ar's or Shotguns?
This is what players are using the massive CPU/PG and slots from the Logi and not what they are meant to, support.

So i say Limit the weapons that Logis can use, so that they stick to their role of support, or change class:

Sidearms
Swarm launchers
Laser Rifles
And depending on how they turn out, maybe Plasma Guns.


EDIT: i just fought a Caldari Logi bro from Pink fluffy bounty hunters.He was packing a Duvolle AR and Beautifull 650 shielding + who knows how much armor.125 maybe?.

Thats a 775 total HP Assault with 6.6 sprinting speed.(IF HE DIDNT USE SPRINTING SPEED MODS,which i doubt.

: *

a flux, a headshot from laser rifle, scrambler pistol & in the future from the scrambler rifle and the caldari logi has no shields any more. problem? it is not like the big yellow head is hard to hit at all, the logi suits strafe speed is not very good.

Dramatically lower the PG/CPU of Logistics suits and give all Logistics suits a sizable PG/CPU fitting bonus to Equipment.

There, that's an EVE-like solution to the problem and the fitting slots aren't even touched.

At the moment it's almost the equivalent (obviously the Logistics suits still need decent combat ability) of people flying around in Exequrors instead of Thoraxes because they're far better at the Thorax's intended combat role.

This thread is still the most idioc thing I've seen on the forums. Assaults get damage bonuses to slay and logis get bonuses for survival. Instead of crying for nerfs, brainstorm and suggest ways to buff your own respective nich to compensate. Make it an arms race, not a nerf war.

Shotguns are a close range personal defense weapon.

Anyhow. It was just my opinion. Again , i'll just wait till people realize the full assault potential of the Caldari Logi....

I KNOW why so many people are against removing Assault weapons from logi... i know...But Logi suits are first Support, and since last patch there has been less support and more tanking. But ok...

Im just ahead of my time.....

The problem is.. In my eyes.. This suit should have been the opposite of the Gallente suit in terms of slots. 5 highs and 2 lows. People can and will easily abuse this suit by running NO equipment on it and dual tanking complex armor on the lows and damage mods with complex buffed shielding on the highs. So the people replying "zomg just flux" dont get it really. This suit absolutely has a better assault platform than the assault.. Platform. That makes.... Sense. The answer? Give this suit 4 equipment slots and make it the shield tank opposite to Gallente with 5 highs and 2 lows or whatever the **** it would be. See CCP. Balance. THATS HOW ITS DONE.

Sub-machineguns are close range personal defense weapon.
Shotguns are CQC offensive tool. Commando weapons.

Not every suit has to be limited to one specified role. If Logis want to run as assaults +1 and invested the SP, then go for it. I've been in squads where I'm not needed as a medic and switch over to more offensive fittings. It's called versatility.

If you feel something is imbalanced compared to your class, suggest ways to improve it. Stop trying to bring others down. We all spend the same SP and commit to our roles. How would you feel if someone wanted to nerf something you use?

I hope Remnant sees this thread. With all the hustle and bustle around uprising, he could probably use a good laugh.

I played heavy. NErfed.
Used HMG's - Nerfed
Use scouts - Now, all other dropsuits got improvements, scouts are the same crap.
I use shotgun - Nefed
I used AR's - RAnge nerfed.

You see me whining that my scout cant get shot once cuz it evaporates. Or me complaining because Heavies are close to useless and a logi can run faster and tank better? NOPE.

Im just asking for Supports to act like supports.


@ Balzich Rotaine : Well yeah...Pretty much. But usually, say 90% of the time, the shotgun is for infiltration purposes. Attack purposes....

I played heavy. NErfed.
Used HMG's - Nerfed
Use scouts - Now, all other dropsuits got improvements, scouts are the same crap.
I use shotgun - Nefed
I used AR's - RAnge nerfed.

You see me whining that my scout cant get shot once cuz it evaporates. Or me complaining because Heavies are close to useless and a logi can run faster and tank better? NOPE.

Im just asking for Supports to act like supports.


@ Balzich Rotaine : Well yeah...Pretty much. But usually, say 90% of the time, the shotgun is for infiltration purposes. Attack purposes....

So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait....

Buff the assault don't nerf logi

well, the heavies and Scouts need the buff more i'd say thou...

Pretty much.

Problem?

Yeah buff em all leave the logi where it is

That kind of thinking is going to kill this game. Why not suggest things to promote a perfect imbalance so the meta game expands beyond crying nerf on the forums.

Buff all the things!

''So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait...''

This kind of comments are the ones that will kill the game. Not me looking for balance.BRO.

People have been crying for nerfs for 2 years and Dust 514 is still pretty screwed up. Don't you think it's time to try something different?

All Logi have -50% damage on all light weapons.

Problem solved


Zon

All Logi have -50% damage on all light weapons.

Problem solved


Zon

Doesn't change the fact that most players are treating this as an Oficcer Caldari Assault. Ever thought about it?

The main reason you are now using this suit is because of how easy it is to tank damage and for those many times I killed you with my SMG while you previously used Heavy.

Logi needs to be sidearm only to better fit their role, don't come in with the bs "we specialized into it so it's ok" when everyone currently treats this as a slayer.

SO the amount of logi suits i've seen after my game session was roughly about 50% of players.

That means 50% of players were running logis, the amount of times i was revived 0. The amount of ammo on the fiield, 0. the amount of times i was revived , 0...

And about 90% of the players both in my team and enemies that i saw rocking a yellow caldari proto suit, went over 6 KDR.MINIMUM.

F***** Ridiculous.

That suit is broken.

You're not getting revived, repaired, or resupplied because we can't do it. The radial menu is screwed up worse than before and it's damn near impossible to revive someone. One of my squad mates died and 3 of us hovered around him with needles trying to find where the game wants us to stab them. Devs are looking into it though.

Amen, broken gameplay means I can't help my bros out. I run all over their corpses jamming the triggers and anything else just to try and find the right point to pick them up to no avail. I'm sorry, the game is just so broken that bleeding out is really your only option right now, sorry, even in the nice proto suits and great equipment.

Ok Thats that, i didnt know,ty for the info.
But AGAIN , im not talking about the people who use Proto Logis to help their team, but the ones using them as Assault v.2.0

Yesterday i played about 5 hours, got to see a good amount of those suits.6 men squad with 700-900+ total HP stomping down on everything,not always had a chance to even throw a flux grenades, those Poto AR can cut through you like butter with a simple complex damage mod... I just Hope the scrambler rifle works and will have to replace my precious AV grenades with flux...

I wont complain anymore. I think i'll let the game run its course and later when everybody is fed up of Proto Logi-Assault modes , i'll come back to say: Told you so.

I the meanwhile do your thing.

The problem is.. In my eyes.. This suit should have been the opposite of the Gallente suit in terms of slots. 5 highs and 2 lows. People can and will easily abuse this suit by running NO equipment on it and dual tanking complex armor on the lows and damage mods with complex buffed shielding on the highs. So the people replying "zomg just flux" dont get it really. This suit absolutely has a better assault platform than the assault.. Platform. That makes.... Sense. The answer? Give this suit 4 equipment slots and make it the shield tank opposite to Gallente with 5 highs and 2 lows or whatever the **** it would be. See CCP. Balance. THATS HOW ITS DONE.

Cosgar:
''In the meantime, I suggest that you brainstorm for ways to reinforce other gaming mechanics to compensate for what can be perceived as imbalanced. Each dropsuit class, weapon, and vehicle brings a different aspect to the battlefield and should be respected for its variety instead of shunned for its differences. We all care about Dust 514 and want it to grow to be the incredible game we all want it to be, but constantly suggesting for nerfs shouldn't be the only option. Respect each gaming mechanic for having advantages over others and learn their weaknesses to make them your advantage''





I did see? XD

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75241&find=unread

EXACTLY.

Wanna use AR some other Dropsuit. Logis are for Support, not Assault purposes.

POINT IS, CCP NEEDS TO CHECK THESE PLAYERS AND MAKE LOGI WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, A SUPPORT CLASS.

First of all im not ASKING for a nerf on logis, learn to read. Im asking for limitations on the weapons they use.
Logis need all those slots and CPU / PG for SUPPORT, not Assault purposes.

It costs people that went proto Caldari Logistics 5 million SP. You think the suit is too strong, but it represents a gigantic SP investment. Even stacking all 5 upper slots on a proto with complex extenders wouldn't save your shields from a single level 1 flux grenade.

The Amarr Logi has great armor repping passives. The minny is fast, and gets a hacking bonus. The Gallente.... uh... looks nice.

Logistics players have a gigantic SP sink just to get the suit (5m). The equipment skills all sit at 3x. All that before you've touched weapons.

Perhaps what actually needs tuning here is the special assault suits (which are mostly identical to medium frame suits), or the special scout suits (which are mostly identical to light frames), or the sentinel suits (which seem worse than the basic heavy frames).

Logis don't need to be nerfed because people can't figure out how shields work. The logi PG/CPU difference is to fit all the equipment and slots. Have you seen what happened to low level equipment? It's nerfed to crazy town. Useful hives and links have all been pushed to the high end. Even with better PG/CPU, logis will have problems fitting.

Maybe post some feedback about altering the specialization suits (outside logis) so they're not the same as basic frames rather than nerfing the role that got some differentiation (at the cost of any low-tier suits with multiple slots).

Its a new dawn.

Logistic Suits are getting a little too much i say.They are creating a Meta staple of Massive total HP Assault units with unlimited restrictions and unlimited custom-ability...

They are supposed to be SUPPORT dropsuits.And they are ABUSED into creating Monstrous Assault Loadouts.
AND IM TALKING SPECIALLY ABOUT HE CALDARI LOGI

What prevents a player of Tanking with , say a Calgari Logi?
And this is not Regular Tanking. This is Heavy+ level tanking with Assault class speed.

First post was TL;DR and I'm not going to bother reading through 9 pages when I can't be bothered to read the first post. This post will be in response to what I think this is about: Assault players using Logistics suits for their increased slot count. Or Logis just not healing, reviving, ect.

If they feel like tanking and such, let them, they are giving up their sidearm for it (unless they are Amarr, the most combat oriented Logi suit in my opinion, to be used by Assault players that pull double duty as Logi).

Odds are, they'll still have some PG/CPU left so they'll most likely fit equipment onto it, it might not be high end equipment, or equipment that's really usefull in the current situation, but it'll help support the team none the less.

For Logis that actually ARE Logis not helping.... Can't really say much about them, I CAN say that since Chromosome I have found myselft healing and supporting my team less and less (I blame being stuck in a Skinweave because Logi suits cost more SP than I thought so I didn't have enough to get them, as well as the wheel seeming sluggish and unresponsive, and the nanite injector rarely reviving).

Keep in mind that they might not have the necessary equipment to assist you. If you need ammo but the Logi only has an active scanner, remote explosives, and drop uplink, then they won't be able to help.

So when shall CCP's nerf hammer hit the minmatar, gallente and caldari logi suits? :3

It's not the suits it's the skill buffs and even then only the Cal buff is out of line (the weak layout of the Amarr not withstanding).
To build a Logi suit with the same stats as an Assault requires more ISK per fit and often more SP as well.
Most of the broken "logi" fits that have been posted or identified are using the already broken TAR and even then still cost more to field.
~Cross

okay... flaws with this guy's argument:
1. Logistics suits of all kinds stick out like sore thumbs, and make nicer targets than heavies.
2.LogiBros already move slower than Assaults.
3. Logistic suits are limited by carrying a single weapon, and then a whole bunch of equipment, yes, most of this is to heal/revive/restock fellow teammates
4. Logistics have to dive out mid firefight and revive some dumb bluedots/reddots because he dies in the middle of the feild.

so i say, take, at most, a single slot from all logi suits. yeah, lots of logi players like to tank out hard core, but they have **** for stamina natural, and most of their defences lack early on.
side note.... i blast Logis with my MD easily enough... especially if they are stupid enough to run straight at me

Actually even without the "shield buff" that caldari logi receives you can obtain higher amount of shields and armor if you want ... the caldari logi can also obtain a very close amount of shields and armor while still having 2x Low-Power slots free, higher base CPU and PG (easier to fit proto modules/weapons), higher equipment slots, the additional cost of modules makes it up for the boost in performance making you less likely to die at a cost of one sidearm slot, the same amount of SP needs to be invested in both racial suits if we compared proto caldari assault (racial) and proto caldari logistics.

As for the rest of the logistics except for the Amarr, it is clear as water that they can surpass its racial counterpart in the assault branch due to CPU/PG and additional slots

Still funny that after all this time, we're still beating this dead horse. People still think the all the logis are OP when it's the racial bonus of the CaLogi. You guys know I still get hate mail for being a Minmatar logistics right? You know the one, relatively unchanged since E3, gained a racial bonus only marginally useful in specific game modes, lost 35 shields in exchange for an extra equipment slot at proto level? You guys need to get your facts straight. Also, if you do happen to see any Minmatar logis out there kicking ass, tell them to shoot me a message in game. I'd like to know what they're doing that I'm doing wrong.