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KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2013.05.08 04:14:00 - [1] - Quote As it is lately, the freedom Logi Suits have are making them the Meta staple suit on the battlefield. Able of equipping massive amount of shield extenders and armor repair modules, plus having massive CPU/PG makes them the most adaptable battle suits EVER. Example, what prevents someone to equip a Caldari Logi Suit with 3 Complex Shield Extenders (that they even get a 25% bonus EACH at level 5 with the caldari Logi path) 2 10% Light weapon Mods 2 Complex Armor repairers Whatever else they want in the other 2 Low cap slots they have (yeah, 9 total, only that...) AND any weapon they like? So? just one nanohive and thats that. ... ultimate soldiers. Logi suits are supposed to be used for SUPPORT. Not running around with Assault rifles and Shotguns with Overpowered load outs. I say that Logi suits should only be capable of using SUPPORT weapons. -All sidearms -Laser Rifle -Mass Drivers -Swarm Launchers -AND depending how thy turn out, Maybe Scrambler Rifles. Of course, im not the kind that cries endlessly , since i KNOW this will not happen, i will be using my newly respec'd character and Tank shield with a Caldari Logi. See you on the battlefield bros. :*
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2013.05.08 04:27:00 - [2] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I wouldnt say limit the weapons of a logi suit (although it seems "logi"cal to do so). But I'm thinking they should be a bigger target like they were in the last build. And the number of high and low power slots should be cut down. I dont understand the need dfor a support class to have all of those slots. ****, the minmatar proto has 5 highs but the downfall is that you only get 2 lows. So, why does the logi get to have 4? ''because it lacks sidearm? '' LOL Pretty much. AND i woulnt mind if it is to PROTECT the Logistics while supporting their team. But to create Overpowered loadouts? Pfft...
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2013.05.08 04:28:00 - [3] - Quote Of course, i will use Logis now, since i think they are so OP the only way to go is use it .... Bye bye Shotgun/scout...you've been replaced...
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2013.05.08 04:35:00 - [4] - Quote Skyhound Solbrave wrote: The forums have reached a new low. This thread is just full of so much fail. Pls troll harder I would if you let me, Gt*o X3
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2013.05.08 04:45:00 - [5] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Keep in mind that they always had a better slot layout than assaults, and no one ever complained. That IS true. But not 9 total. Plus, i didnt complain because i didn't feel like it, now i do. :3 And again, im complaining about the Slots + Any weapon you'd like + Massive CPU/PG combination. Not necessarily the slots...
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2013.05.08 04:49:00 - [6] - Quote THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Awwwwwwww...Everyone give OP a hug, guess it's been a rough day... Productive and smart. Well ,as far as being a 10 year old is... : * But ty for the hug
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2013.05.08 05:47:00 - [7] - Quote RydogV wrote: This is probably the most ridiculous thread I have every read over the past 11 months. Clearly you do not understand the true limitations of the Logistics dropsuit. I get one weapons slot and you want to give me Sidearm, Swarm Launcher, Laser Rifle or Plasma Gun?!?!?! Gimmie a !@#$ing break. Every fitting has a weakness. Your job is to find it, exploit it and then kill the guy/gal using it. If you can't, then run the other direction. Here ended the lesson. So your weakness is not having a pistol >..>
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2013.05.08 05:49:00 - [8] - Quote undeadsoldier90 wrote: Flux grenade you jackass nuff said. Youre dead by a 2 complex damg mod duvolle AR while you throw it . whos the jackass now.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2013.05.08 05:52:00 - [9] - Quote BTW I just think that minmatar and Caldari are op. And again since nothing will be made, i'll use them myself. :*
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.05.08 06:20:00 - [10] - Quote First of all im not ASKING for a nerf on logis, learn to read. Im asking for limitations on the weapons they use. Logis need all those slots and CPU / PG for SUPPORT, not Assault purposes. Support Dropsuit for Support Roles. And not all logis are slow, again Minmatar moves at assault speed with a minuscule HP decrease, but higher Shields regen and a lot more PG/CPU and slots. From 5-2 to 4-4 (Protos)

KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.05.08 06:24:00 - [11] - Quote Cosgar wrote: RydogV wrote: No my weakness is not, not having a pistol. There are inherent weaknesses in all dropsuit configurations. The lack of a sidearm is just one when it comes to most Logistics dropsuits. My reaction to the suggested weapons a Logistics player should be limited to is based on that one element. In my view, when I only have the ability to carry a single weapon, that weapon should have optimal versatility in the greatest number of possible situations. None of the weapons listed meet that criteria. They are all specially weapons, effective for limited and specialized tasks. Bottom-line...I risk my ISK wading out into the fray to revive and heal down teammates every match. Why should my offensive capability be restricted any more than it already is because other players decide to use a suit for some other purpose other than support. This game was suppose to be about unique player choice. QFT And if you want a weakness, look at how much SP we have to invest just to be able to do our **ing job! Assaults can get by with their basic suits (which are the suits in chromosome) but I had to dump 1.8 mil just to have multiple equipment slots to do my medical stuff. Then there's the SP that goes into repair tools, nano hives, needles (that don't ing work right now) drop uplinks, remote explosives, and proximity mines. By the time I had all that stuff, I barely had enough for my one weapon I'm allowed to equip.** My fittings probably cost almost twice your fittings too. Come nerf me bro! Again im not talking about the support part, u use medical stuff good for you. I mean the people who just carry 1 nanohive and the rest is pure assault load out....Shitload of Shield extenders armor repairers,armor plate,damage mods etcetc...
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.05.08 06:27:00 - [12] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Im asking for limitations on the weapons they use. Biggest nerf ever, I'd rather lose 3 slots than not be allowed to use an AR. EXACTLY. Wanna use AR some other Dropsuit. Logis are for Support, not Assault purposes.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.05.08 06:52:00 - [13] - Quote Just saying, this is the FPS game where supports act less support than anything. Yeah a good logi will fill his equipment slots and help the team. Thats not the case thanks to the fact they have acess to the same weapons as any other class. Modding a Logi suit into Assault V.2.0 is not hard. Besides the fact that you could in good theory equip 5 complex shield extenders, the Cal Logi posesses a unique trair that at level 5 gains +25% shiel d extender boost. Thats an approx of 88. You could go 3 complex shield ext, 2 complex damage mods and what assault dropsuit gets better than that, and im not even getting into [ -- ]
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.05.08 06:55:00 - [14] - Quote The mere fact of so many people complaining about me suggesting taking away some Assault weapon options proves my point..........
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.05.08 07:25:00 - [15] - Quote Osydisious wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: The mere fact of so many people complaining about me suggesting taking away some Assault weapon options proves my point.......... Actually we are complaining at your idea because it takes away one of the key reasons people play logistics for and that is the versatility. Some of us don't like being sat behind a heavy with a rep tool (specially as it doesn't give you points the whole time, so might as well do some killing while the WP cooldown ends). I run squads with mainly assault guys and some heavies and so I need to be able to perform to some extent with them. To be able to survive and provide the support needed by a logistics player ( offensively and defensively) I sacrifice my speed, the extra weapon slot and now sticking out on the battlefield in my new bright yellow costume. You call it ''VERSATILITY'' ,but your versatility goes far beyond that.A logi can be a one man army easy. So +25% Shield Extender bonus + 5 high slots doesnt sound a little too much for you? PLUS CPU 390/78pg to back it up? Plus Shield 4 seconds shield recharge rate and 6 on DEPLETED? Your a little slow? can fix that with 4 low powered modules, easy. Dont have sidearm? cry me a river.... If you dont like to do support work dont use the Logi suit. The yellow color , yah that does suck. I dont like the yellow color on that Caldari Logi , but i guess i'll have to live with it.. see? this is me adapting : 3
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.05.08 07:26:00 - [16] - Quote Cosgar wrote: If you assaults didn't QQ about heavies they all wouldn't have quit to play logis. Im no assault, i use to play Scout. >..>
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.05.08 07:30:00 - [17] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: Osydisious wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: The mere fact of so many people complaining about me suggesting taking away some Assault weapon options proves my point.......... Actually we are complaining at your idea because it takes away one of the key reasons people play logistics for and that is the versatility. Some of us don't like being sat behind a heavy with a rep tool (specially as it doesn't give you points the whole time, so might as well do some killing while the WP cooldown ends). I run squads with mainly assault guys and some heavies and so I need to be able to perform to some extent with them. To be able to survive and provide the support needed by a logistics player ( offensively and defensively) I sacrifice my speed, the extra weapon slot and now sticking out on the battlefield in my new bright yellow costume. The AR is one of the only weapons in the game that is effective at mid and short-range. If you only have one weapon slot, using weapons with severely restricted ranges means you're hamstrung in a variety of situations where other classes can just switch to a sidearm (Sniper being rushed at short range, Swarm Launcher being rushed, person with a pistol taking AR fire). Logis sacrifice weapon versatility, and need to use a good all-round weapon. Saying someone can't carry a rifle at all (only sidearms) is silly. Infantry + rifle is a thing because it's how things often work in real life. Troops of all roles will have combat rifles because it's a relatively versatile weapon with flexible range. This is why there aren't scenes in Full Metal Jacket with some of the troops holding rifles when marching, but others carrying just a pistol. It would be stupid. ''The AR is one of the only weapons in the game that is effective at mid and short-range.'' - because its an ASSAULT weapon. to Kill not to support. '' If you only have one weapon slot, using weapons with severely restricted ranges means you're hamstrung in a variety of situations where other classes can just switch to a sidearm '' Exactly. why would you be rushed if you are supporting your team? you are not supposed to be alone...oh yeah right. '' Logis sacrifice weapon versatility, and need to use a good all-round weapon'' They dont , they can use all weapons except heavies, and mod their suits to be better than assaults at killing.Example? just look at poor tiny amarr assault. There is a reason Cal Logi is overused and Amarr Assault only used by laser rrifle people...if even... ''Saying someone can't carry a rifle at all (only sidearms) is silly.'' I never said that. I said carry support weapons. Pls read before commenting thanks.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.05.08 07:32:00 - [18] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Osydisious wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: The mere fact of so many people complaining about me suggesting taking away some Assault weapon options proves my point.......... Actually we are complaining at your idea because it takes away one of the key reasons people play logistics for and that is the versatility. Some of us don't like being sat behind a heavy with a rep tool (specially as it doesn't give you points the whole time, so might as well do some killing while the WP cooldown ends). I run squads with mainly assault guys and some heavies and so I need to be able to perform to some extent with them. To be able to survive and provide the support needed by a logistics player ( offensively and defensively) I sacrifice my speed, the extra weapon slot and now sticking out on the battlefield in my new bright yellow costume. You call it ''VERSATILITY'' ,but your versatility goes far beyond that.A logi can be a one man army easy. So +25% Shield Extender bonus + 5 high slots doesnt sound a little too much for you? PLUS CPU 390/78pg to back it up? Plus Shield 4 seconds shield recharge rate and 6 on DEPLETED? Your a little slow? can fix that with 4 low powered modules, easy. Dont have sidearm? cry me a river.... If you dont like to do support work dont use the Logi suit. The yellow color , yah that does suck. I dont like the yellow color on that Caldari Logi , but i guess i'll have to live with it.. see? this is me adapting : 3 Learn to flux and HTFU. I like carrying Anti Vehicle grenades. why do i need to use a specific grenade to counter only 1 dropsuit?
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.05.08 07:34:00 - [19] - Quote Cosgar wrote: How about we settle it this way: Make an alt and spec into logi and see how OP it really is. Hell, you got an early look at all the suit stats like the rest of us. If Logi is so OP, why didn't you spec into one? I will spec into a logi cald.who said i wouldnt?
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.05.08 07:40:00 - [20] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: I don't know, why do people need to carry a certain kind of grenade to counter vehicles? Because people are too lazy to spec into AV that take their precious AR away. I use shotguns >..> so you are saying i must spec into swarm to take care of vehicles just because i need flux to kill cald logis? LOL

KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.05.08 07:45:00 - [21] - Quote Im gonna go ahead and try this, 4 complex shield extenders 1 light damage mod 2 complex sprint mods 1 complex armor repairer 1 slot to increase CPU or PG s needed, IF i need it. One badass shotgun Remote explosives AV grenades Compact nanohive how does it sound? i dont need scout armors anymore :3 I'll just run around shooting people in the face with 510 shields (no passive upgrades included,just the Caldari logi onnes)
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.05.08 08:09:00 - [22] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Im gonna go ahead and try this, 4 complex shield extenders 1 light damage mod 2 complex sprint mods 1 complex armor repairer 1 slot to increase CPU or PG s needed, IF i need it. One badass shotgun Remote explosives AV grenades Compact nanohive how does it sound? i dont need scout armors anymore :3 I'll just run around shooting people in the face with 510 shields (no passive upgrades included,just the Caldari logi onnes) I would use lasers if people didnt complain and got the nerfed rock bottom :3 Yeah, let me know what the SP total is on maxing: Caldari Medium (6x), Caldari Logistics (10x), Shield Extensions (3x), Armor Repair (3x), Dropsuit Biotic upgrades (3x),Kinetic Catalyzers (6x), Handheld weapon upgrades (2x) - since you need to max all of those for what you're asking. I'm also curious about the fitting cost on that one - since you're not using an passives for PG/CPU. You'd still need points in explosives and nanocircuitry for that too. Without any passives at all, only the bare minimum in the shield/armor ones to get to extenders/reppers, and only 5 shotgun, no proficiency, and no fitting bonuses... 10.8 million. Enjoy! I have enough. I might not get it 100% ready right away, but a couple of weeks. Did enough sp playing with my homies of ANON killers ;) I will,and i'll let you know how it turns out. REMEMBER not everybody is new at this game...
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.05.08 08:25:00 - [23] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Im gonna go ahead and try this, 4 complex shield extenders 1 light damage mod 2 complex sprint mods 1 complex armor repairer 1 slot to increase CPU or PG s needed, IF i need it. One badass shotgun Remote explosives AV grenades Compact nanohive how does it sound? i dont need scout armors anymore :3 I'll just run around shooting people in the face with 510 shields (no passive upgrades included,just the Caldari logi onnes) I would use lasers if people didnt complain and got the nerfed rock bottom :3 Yeah, let me know what the SP total is on maxing: Caldari Medium (6x), Caldari Logistics (10x), Shield Extensions (3x), Armor Repair (3x), Dropsuit Biotic upgrades (3x),Kinetic Catalyzers (6x), Handheld weapon upgrades (2x) - since you need to max all of those for what you're asking. I'm also curious about the fitting cost on that one - since you're not using an passives for PG/CPU. You'd still need points in explosives and nanocircuitry for that too. Without any passives at all, only the bare minimum in the shield/armor ones to get to extenders/reppers, and only 5 shotgun, no proficiency, and no fitting bonuses... 10.8 million. Enjoy! I have enough. I might not get it 100% ready right away, but a couple of weeks. Did enough sp playing with my homies of ANON killers ;) I will,and i'll let you know how it turns out. REMEMBER not everybody is new at this game... I can tell you already, you'll need the fitting bonuses as well. That's two 5x skills. Go forth, and reap on the battlefield. Try to avoid flux grenades though, and consider getting the shield and armor passives at some point. I'll ''need'' them eventually.if i can hold my ground with militia i think i can use the incomplete loadout decently. TY,but flux or not flux, you always try to avoid grenades bro. ;0 Meh who am i kidding...i'll probably end up using Minmatar assaults anyways... that was me talking BS.Im not saying the Logi Caldari is OP.Its just WAY too good. At least reset the shield recharge time to the default 5s/10s they had before...that would be enough...i guess...
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2013.05.08 11:03:00 - [24] - Quote i just fought a Caldari Logi bro from Pink fluffy bounty hunters.He was packing a Duvolle AR and Beautifull 650 shielding + who knows how much armor.125 maybe?. Thats a 775 total HP Assault with 6.6 sprinting speed.(IF HE DIDNT USE SPRINTING SPEED MODS,which i doubt) NO SUPPORT. Just good ol' Assault tanking. Yeah...DIVERSITY..... Im off. Keep at it boys...
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2013.05.08 11:14:00 - [25] - Quote MODS , you can close this thread. I'll just wait until the inevitable happens, and then , when diversity is gone and everybody is using Logis , i'll come back just to say : I told you so........
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:14:00 - [26] - Quote Kesi Raae Kaae wrote: Dramatically lower the PG/CPU of Logistics suits and give all Logistics suits a sizable PG/CPU fitting bonus to Equipment. There, that's an EVE-like solution to the problem and the fitting slots aren't even touched. At the moment it's almost the equivalent (obviously the Logistics suits still need decent combat ability) of people flying around in Exequrors instead of Thoraxes because they're far better at the Thorax's intended combat role. I kind of like that, good to see some people come with ideas for a fix. I like that idea and its way more productive than being called bad by a guy who plays for DUST UNIVERSITY clan, LOL.....
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:23:00 - [27] - Quote Cosgar wrote: This thread is still the most idioc thing I've seen on the forums. Assaults get damage bonuses to slay and logis get bonuses for survival. Instead of crying for nerfs, brainstorm and suggest ways to buff your own respective nich to compensate. Make it an arms race, not a nerf war. Its hard when one armor has 9 slots and your has 6-7 plus 1/3 less CPU-PG.... BTW i love taht people against the CAldari Logi being so powerfull ahve solid thinking and the others just say: ''This post is stupid'' , ''get better'' , blabla.... This is the internet, you can't possibly think you cant affect someone feelings by saying somthing like that,..... @ Cosgar : The bonus for survival should be for HEAVIES not Logis. If logis would have Bonuses like: +5% HP When revived with Nanite injectors per level . OR +5% on Spawning speed on Drop uplinks.... Ok... But survival is for heavies and they dont survive. Slaying is for assaults , and they cant slay better than a Logi, cuz logis get the same weapons and morespace for bonuses. And scouts cant scout since they are detected and can go 1v1 against anything lol.(unless its from behind,and not all maps have that option) Someone said that running one of these caldari logis at full proto was expensive... YES its expensive i know. But most Proto suits fully equipped are and hey dont have the tanking capacity of the logi, plus Why are peple crying about money if weall have a LOT of it since last reset? Still like where this is going, would appreciate more productive comments from the people defending the logis, those you're stupid/ adapt/use flux grenades blabla are boring and dont help.....They actually make you look stupid, not me..... I just exposed what i thought. AGAIN, im not saying JUST Sidearms, just not weapons designed for Assault . Namely Mass drivers, AR's and Shotguns....
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:29:00 - [28] - Quote Anyhow. It was just my opinion. Again , i'll just wait till people realize the full assault potential of the Caldari Logi.... I KNOW why so many people are against removing Assault weapons from logi... i know...But Logi suits are first Support, and since last patch there has been less support and more tanking. But ok... Im just ahead of my time.....
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:30:00 - [29] - Quote Balzich Rotaine wrote: Shotguns are a close range personal defense weapon. Sub-machineguns are close range personal defense weapon. Shotguns are CQC offensive tool. Commando weapons.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:33:00 - [30] - Quote Doctor Nihk wrote: The problem is.. In my eyes.. This suit should have been the opposite of the Gallente suit in terms of slots. 5 highs and 2 lows. People can and will easily abuse this suit by running NO equipment on it and dual tanking complex armor on the lows and damage mods with complex buffed shielding on the highs. So the people replying "zomg just flux" dont get it really. This suit absolutely has a better assault platform than the assault.. Platform. That makes.... Sense. The answer? Give this suit 4 equipment slots and make it the shield tank opposite to Gallente with 5 highs and 2 lows or whatever the **** it would be. See CCP. Balance. THATS HOW ITS DONE. Not only , but the path specific bonuse are just ridiculous. up to +25% Shield extender proficiency? Pfft. They should have given THAT and 1 more High powered slot to Heavies...

KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:41:00 - [31] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Not every suit has to be limited to one specified role. If Logis want to run as assaults +1 and invested the SP, then go for it. I've been in squads where I'm not needed as a medic and switch over to more offensive fittings. It's called versatility. If you feel something is imbalanced compared to your class, suggest ways to improve it. Stop trying to bring others down. We all spend the same SP and commit to our roles. How would you feel if someone wanted to nerf something you use? I hope Remnant sees this thread. With all the hustle and bustle around uprising, he could probably use a good laugh. I played heavy. NErfed. Used HMG's - Nerfed Use scouts - Now, all other dropsuits got improvements, scouts are the same crap. I use shotgun - Nefed I used AR's - RAnge nerfed. You see me whining that my scout cant get shot once cuz it evaporates. Or me complaining because Heavies are close to useless and a logi can run faster and tank better? NOPE. Im just asking for Supports to act like supports. @ Balzich Rotaine : Well yeah...Pretty much. But usually, say 90% of the time, the shotgun is for infiltration purposes. Attack purposes....
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:48:00 - [32] - Quote Because if i want to play heavy and i dont want to use yellow colored dropsuits just because they are better. Or everything is good, or everything is bad. Not good logis and assaults and bad scouts and heavies....
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:55:00 - [33] - Quote Cosgar wrote: So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait.... Pretty much. Problem?
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:00:00 - [34] - Quote Patoman Radiant:If logis are so god, why do people even roll assults as they do. With heavy nerfs it should be world of logi's. >>>>The Build is too new, but people will soon realize. Not to mention the noobs and scrubs. But lots Pro people are already running Caldari dropsuits Logi as we speak, And for Assault Purposes. But its not... why? Lower base HP (a bit)>>>> Yeah,only the minmatar logi can cry about low HP. The rest are near Assault level. Not to mention the speed which Logis Regenerate Shield, is close to scout level too.If even. Caldari Logi: Recharge/ Depleted : 4s/6s. Scouts Recharge / Depleted: 4s/8s No sidearm (that liittle bit of extra firepower can be dual winner, or makes you not a standing target with a oddweapon that can do close quarter fights like sniper or swarm launcher).>>>> Sidearm is not important if you plan running around with a AR with 1-2 damage modifiers and 3-4 82.5 Shield extenders. Also a bit slower too>>>>>With 4 Low power slots thats easily fixed. So yea... While they do get allot of equipment, they give sacrifices for that equipment.>>>Thats wht logis are about. Equipment is for the support roles.Logis need them.so yeah you are right here. Most people don't even use equipment like needles and repairers, just gun, and gun. >>>>Exactly Chose what you want, if you like the perks of one class go do it. Unless a massive majority goes logi, its balanced.>>>> The built just came out. As soon as they realize you'll see.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:11:00 - [35] - Quote Balzich Rotaine wrote: Buff the assault don't nerf logi well, the heavies and Scouts need the buff more i'd say thou...
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:21:00 - [36] - Quote Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait.... Pretty much. Problem? That kind of thinking is going to kill this game. Why not suggest things to promote a perfect imbalance so the meta game expands beyond crying nerf on the forums. ''So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait...'' This kind of comments are the ones that will kill the game. Not me looking for balance.BRO.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:21:00 - [37] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Balzich Rotaine wrote: Yeah buff em all leave the logi where it is Buff all the things! I could live with that.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:34:00 - [38] - Quote Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait.... Pretty much. Problem? That kind of thinking is going to kill this game. Why not suggest things to promote a perfect imbalance so the meta game expands beyond crying nerf on the forums. ''So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait...'' This kind of comments are the ones that will kill the game. Not me looking for balance.BRO. People have been crying for nerfs for 2 years and Dust 514 is still pretty screwed up. Don't you think it's time to try something different? I agree with you there. I would ask for BUFFS on both Scouts and Heavies. But Companies seldomly Buff, but they always nerf. So i think i would be more successful in my ordeal if i request a nerf.....
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:46:00 - [39] - Quote Zondervin Tau wrote: All Logi have -50% damage on all light weapons. Problem solved Zon LOL that could work, but if i could choose. I would go with Buffing everything else.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2013.05.09 06:31:00 - [40] - Quote You 100% proof has been revoked, just because 1 dude doesnt know how to take advantage of his suit: I'll give you numbers as i play then: Game : Skirmish Clan, The GENERALS 5 of them Revol Frog - 21/1 KD Yesukei - 15/2 KD Dragonspawn4E - 12-0 Fearless Pilot - 14/2 Slimjt333 - 4/8 Except SLim , All of them were using...what was it.... Hm... Ah yeah , CALDARI PROTOSUITS with 600+ Shield / 300+ Armor All my team, negative, the second best went 4-15 And we had 2 clans. Me playing as Heavy : 10/10 . And i dont even have as much total HP as they had. They all Used Duvolles or GEK. Support? LOL Logis whine about SPEED,but with all the range nerfs, total HP is all that matters. Telling you, yellow assault squads for the win... Extra note, This dudes resisted 5 shots straight of a milita shotgun to the face... And still had armor to spare.

KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2013.05.09 06:55:00 - [41] - Quote Next game, skirmish. Enemy: Best place Aucune ID / 19-7 . He was a one man army. I needed to unload my 45 Milita assault rifle bullets in his face, and after that unload my Toxin sub machinegun to kill him 4 times. Thats me thou, the rest of my team couldnt handle him. My team, Me best with 17-6. Second, Nassory. 16-7. Guess what he was using.... LOLOLOL I wont even have to wait much longer, the more people get SP the faster i c these Ck.o Caldari Logis... XD Soon every competitive player will be running them. unless Scrambler rifles really do a good job vs shields....(which i REALLY REALLY HOPE, i have my faith on scrambler rifles.With them Heavies wont be so useless.....) I think i could go on,but unless i get another game where those suits really make a difference i will not keep posting this, i want to enjoy the game too... Point being, give it a couple of weeks and you'll see the yellow armies XD
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2013.05.09 10:57:00 - [42] - Quote SO the amount of logi suits i've seen after my game session was roughly about 50% of players. That means 50% of players were running logis, the amount of times i was revived 0. The amount of ammo on the fiield, 0. the amount of times i was revived , 0... And about 90% of the players both in my team and enemies that i saw rocking a yellow caldari proto suit, went over 6 KDR.MINIMUM. F***** Ridiculous. That suit is broken.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:40:00 - [43] - Quote RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: SO the amount of logi suits i've seen after my game session was roughly about 50% of players. That means 50% of players were running logis, the amount of times i was revived 0. The amount of ammo on the fiield, 0. the amount of times i was revived , 0... And about 90% of the players both in my team and enemies that i saw rocking a yellow caldari proto suit, went over 6 KDR.MINIMUM. F***** Ridiculous. That suit is broken. You're not getting revived, repaired, or resupplied because we can't do it. The radial menu is screwed up worse than before and it's damn near impossible to revive someone. One of my squad mates died and 3 of us hovered around him with needles trying to find where the game wants us to stab them. Devs are looking into it though. Amen, broken gameplay means I can't help my bros out. I run all over their corpses jamming the triggers and anything else just to try and find the right point to pick them up to no avail. I'm sorry, the game is just so broken that bleeding out is really your only option right now, sorry, even in the nice proto suits and great equipment. Ok Thats that, i didnt know,ty for the info. But AGAIN , im not talking about the people who use Proto Logis to help their team, but the ones using them as Assault v.2.0 Yesterday i played about 5 hours, got to see a good amount of those suits.6 men squad with 700-900+ total HP stomping down on everything,not always had a chance to even throw a flux grenades, those Poto AR can cut through you like butter with a simple complex damage mod... I just Hope the scrambler rifle works and will have to replace my precious AV grenades with flux... I wont complain anymore. I think i'll let the game run its course and later when everybody is fed up of Proto Logi-Assault modes , i'll come back to say: Told you so. I the meanwhile do your thing.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2013.05.10 03:10:00 - [44] - Quote Cosgar: ''In the meantime, I suggest that you brainstorm for ways to reinforce other gaming mechanics to compensate for what can be perceived as imbalanced. Each dropsuit class, weapon, and vehicle brings a different aspect to the battlefield and should be respected for its variety instead of shunned for its differences. We all care about Dust 514 and want it to grow to be the incredible game we all want it to be, but constantly suggesting for nerfs shouldn't be the only option. Respect each gaming mechanic for having advantages over others and learn their weaknesses to make them your advantage'' I did see? XD https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75241&find=unread
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 69	Posted - 2013.05.10 09:08:00 - [45] - Quote Obviously, you havnt played a lot lately , not only our friends of PFB but eveyone is using Heavy modded Logis as assault drop suits. Legistics? yeah. But i dont think a single Suit type should be able to do it ALL.

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