DUST Search - LOGISTICS ARE NOT SUPPORT

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

SO the amount of logi suits i've seen after my game session was roughly about 50% of players.

That means 50% of players were running logis, the amount of times i was revived 0. The amount of ammo on the fiield, 0. the amount of times i was revived , 0...

And about 90% of the players both in my team and enemies that i saw rocking a yellow caldari proto suit, went over 6 KDR.MINIMUM.

F***** Ridiculous.

That suit is broken.

You're not getting revived, repaired, or resupplied because we can't do it. The radial menu is screwed up worse than before and it's damn near impossible to revive someone. One of my squad mates died and 3 of us hovered around him with needles trying to find where the game wants us to stab them. Devs are looking into it though.

Amen, broken gameplay means I can't help my bros out. I run all over their corpses jamming the triggers and anything else just to try and find the right point to pick them up to no avail. I'm sorry, the game is just so broken that bleeding out is really your only option right now, sorry, even in the nice proto suits and great equipment.

Ok Thats that, i didnt know,ty for the info.
But AGAIN , im not talking about the people who use Proto Logis to help their team, but the ones using them as Assault v.2.0

Yesterday i played about 5 hours, got to see a good amount of those suits.6 men squad with 700-900+ total HP stomping down on everything,not always had a chance to even throw a flux grenades, those Poto AR can cut through you like butter with a simple complex damage mod... I just Hope the scrambler rifle works and will have to replace my precious AV grenades with flux...

I wont complain anymore. I think i'll let the game run its course and later when everybody is fed up of Proto Logi-Assault modes , i'll come back to say: Told you so.

I the meanwhile do your thing.

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KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:55:00 - [121] - Quote Cosgar wrote: So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait.... Pretty much. Problem?
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:00:00 - [122] - Quote Patoman Radiant:If logis are so god, why do people even roll assults as they do. With heavy nerfs it should be world of logi's. >>>>The Build is too new, but people will soon realize. Not to mention the noobs and scrubs. But lots Pro people are already running Caldari dropsuits Logi as we speak, And for Assault Purposes. But its not... why? Lower base HP (a bit)>>>> Yeah,only the minmatar logi can cry about low HP. The rest are near Assault level. Not to mention the speed which Logis Regenerate Shield, is close to scout level too.If even. Caldari Logi: Recharge/ Depleted : 4s/6s. Scouts Recharge / Depleted: 4s/8s No sidearm (that liittle bit of extra firepower can be dual winner, or makes you not a standing target with a oddweapon that can do close quarter fights like sniper or swarm launcher).>>>> Sidearm is not important if you plan running around with a AR with 1-2 damage modifiers and 3-4 82.5 Shield extenders. Also a bit slower too>>>>>With 4 Low power slots thats easily fixed. So yea... While they do get allot of equipment, they give sacrifices for that equipment.>>>Thats wht logis are about. Equipment is for the support roles.Logis need them.so yeah you are right here. Most people don't even use equipment like needles and repairers, just gun, and gun. >>>>Exactly Chose what you want, if you like the perks of one class go do it. Unless a massive majority goes logi, its balanced.>>>> The built just came out. As soon as they realize you'll see.
Balzich Rotaine Rotaine Shipping Inc 61	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:08:00 - [123] - Quote Buff the assault don't nerf logi
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:11:00 - [124] - Quote Balzich Rotaine wrote: Buff the assault don't nerf logi well, the heavies and Scouts need the buff more i'd say thou...
Cruxio Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:14:00 - [125] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Balzich Rotaine wrote: Buff the assault don't nerf logi well, the heavies and Scouts need the buff more i'd say thou... Haha, I agree, least we forget the other 20% of the population.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 570	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:14:00 - [126] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait.... Pretty much. Problem? That kind of thinking is going to kill this game. Why not suggest things to promote a perfect imbalance so the meta game expands beyond crying nerf on the forums.
Balzich Rotaine Rotaine Shipping Inc 62	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:16:00 - [127] - Quote Yeah buff em all leave the logi where it is
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 570	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:17:00 - [128] - Quote Balzich Rotaine wrote: Yeah buff em all leave the logi where it is Buff all the things!
Doyle Reese OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:18:00 - [129] - Quote their Light Weapon slot should just be a sidearm instead
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:21:00 - [130] - Quote Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait.... Pretty much. Problem? That kind of thinking is going to kill this game. Why not suggest things to promote a perfect imbalance so the meta game expands beyond crying nerf on the forums. ''So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait...'' This kind of comments are the ones that will kill the game. Not me looking for balance.BRO.

KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:21:00 - [131] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Balzich Rotaine wrote: Yeah buff em all leave the logi where it is Buff all the things! I could live with that.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 571	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:25:00 - [132] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait.... Pretty much. Problem? That kind of thinking is going to kill this game. Why not suggest things to promote a perfect imbalance so the meta game expands beyond crying nerf on the forums. ''So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait...'' This kind of comments are the ones that will kill the game. Not me looking for balance.BRO. People have been crying for nerfs for 2 years and Dust 514 is still pretty screwed up. Don't you think it's time to try something different?
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:34:00 - [133] - Quote Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait.... Pretty much. Problem? That kind of thinking is going to kill this game. Why not suggest things to promote a perfect imbalance so the meta game expands beyond crying nerf on the forums. ''So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait...'' This kind of comments are the ones that will kill the game. Not me looking for balance.BRO. People have been crying for nerfs for 2 years and Dust 514 is still pretty screwed up. Don't you think it's time to try something different? I agree with you there. I would ask for BUFFS on both Scouts and Heavies. But Companies seldomly Buff, but they always nerf. So i think i would be more successful in my ordeal if i request a nerf.....
Zondervin Tau Reaper Galactic 12	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:43:00 - [134] - Quote All Logi have -50% damage on all light weapons. Problem solved Zon
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:46:00 - [135] - Quote Zondervin Tau wrote: All Logi have -50% damage on all light weapons. Problem solved Zon LOL that could work, but if i could choose. I would go with Buffing everything else.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 574	Posted - 2013.05.09 05:05:00 - [136] - Quote Zondervin Tau wrote: All Logi have -50% damage on all light weapons. Problem solved Zon KING CHECKMATE, I retract my statement about this thread being the most idiotic thing I've seen.
Gawen Eadan Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 0	Posted - 2013.05.09 05:24:00 - [137] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: 100 proof wrote: my caldari logi has 679 shields 376 armor sprint speed is 4.7m.. to some this may seem OP.. but this set up cost 130k isk per death and 12million sp to spec into.. so basically OP is trying to say is 12mill sp shouldnt allow more skills dmg dmg reduction as 5 mill sp.. fyi 12mill sp maxed out weapon, dmg mods, shield ext, suits, & lvl 4 cpu/pg upgrades.. that means another 10mill is needed for tools, armor rep, armor plates, shield reg & rechrg.. logis OP???? id think b4 you speak.. any other class is speced & specialised around 15 mill... logis 25 mill if not more.. OH BTW if yall read as goid as QQ you could of specd what you think is OP... so CCP please dont punish other ppls decisions and hard earned sp b/c D-bags are to stupid to fend for themselves... nuff said have a nice day! Doesn't change the fact that most players are treating this as an Oficcer Caldari Assault. Ever thought about it? The main reason you are now using this suit is because of how easy it is to tank damage and for those many times I killed you with my SMG while you previously used Heavy. Logi needs to be sidearm only to better fit their role, don't come in with the bs "we specialized into it so it's ok" when everyone currently treats this as a slayer. p.s we had 100 proof on our side today, even with his build I saw him die, and get between 5th to 10th on the team, can't remember exact, not op or he would be top of the board and deathless.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2013.05.09 06:31:00 - [138] - Quote You 100% proof has been revoked, just because 1 dude doesnt know how to take advantage of his suit: I'll give you numbers as i play then: Game : Skirmish Clan, The GENERALS 5 of them Revol Frog - 21/1 KD Yesukei - 15/2 KD Dragonspawn4E - 12-0 Fearless Pilot - 14/2 Slimjt333 - 4/8 Except SLim , All of them were using...what was it.... Hm... Ah yeah , CALDARI PROTOSUITS with 600+ Shield / 300+ Armor All my team, negative, the second best went 4-15 And we had 2 clans. Me playing as Heavy : 10/10 . And i dont even have as much total HP as they had. They all Used Duvolles or GEK. Support? LOL Logis whine about SPEED,but with all the range nerfs, total HP is all that matters. Telling you, yellow assault squads for the win... Extra note, This dudes resisted 5 shots straight of a milita shotgun to the face... And still had armor to spare.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2013.05.09 06:55:00 - [139] - Quote Next game, skirmish. Enemy: Best place Aucune ID / 19-7 . He was a one man army. I needed to unload my 45 Milita assault rifle bullets in his face, and after that unload my Toxin sub machinegun to kill him 4 times. Thats me thou, the rest of my team couldnt handle him. My team, Me best with 17-6. Second, Nassory. 16-7. Guess what he was using.... LOLOLOL I wont even have to wait much longer, the more people get SP the faster i c these Ck.o Caldari Logis... XD Soon every competitive player will be running them. unless Scrambler rifles really do a good job vs shields....(which i REALLY REALLY HOPE, i have my faith on scrambler rifles.With them Heavies wont be so useless.....) I think i could go on,but unless i get another game where those suits really make a difference i will not keep posting this, i want to enjoy the game too... Point being, give it a couple of weeks and you'll see the yellow armies XD
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2013.05.09 10:57:00 - [140] - Quote SO the amount of logi suits i've seen after my game session was roughly about 50% of players. That means 50% of players were running logis, the amount of times i was revived 0. The amount of ammo on the fiield, 0. the amount of times i was revived , 0... And about 90% of the players both in my team and enemies that i saw rocking a yellow caldari proto suit, went over 6 KDR.MINIMUM. F***** Ridiculous. That suit is broken.

Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 594	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:02:00 - [141] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: SO the amount of logi suits i've seen after my game session was roughly about 50% of players. That means 50% of players were running logis, the amount of times i was revived 0. The amount of ammo on the fiield, 0. the amount of times i was revived , 0... And about 90% of the players both in my team and enemies that i saw rocking a yellow caldari proto suit, went over 6 KDR.MINIMUM. F***** Ridiculous. That suit is broken. You're not getting revived, repaired, or resupplied because we can't do it. The radial menu is screwed up worse than before and it's damn near impossible to revive someone. One of my squad mates died and 3 of us hovered around him with needles trying to find where the game wants us to stab them. Devs are looking into it though.
LittleCuteBunny Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 8	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:30:00 - [142] - Quote Behold di god logistics with your peasant suits :)
RedBleach LeSanglant Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 180	Posted - 2013.05.09 16:32:00 - [143] - Quote Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: SO the amount of logi suits i've seen after my game session was roughly about 50% of players. That means 50% of players were running logis, the amount of times i was revived 0. The amount of ammo on the fiield, 0. the amount of times i was revived , 0... And about 90% of the players both in my team and enemies that i saw rocking a yellow caldari proto suit, went over 6 KDR.MINIMUM. F***** Ridiculous. That suit is broken. You're not getting revived, repaired, or resupplied because we can't do it. The radial menu is screwed up worse than before and it's damn near impossible to revive someone. One of my squad mates died and 3 of us hovered around him with needles trying to find where the game wants us to stab them. Devs are looking into it though. Amen, broken gameplay means I can't help my bros out. I run all over their corpses jamming the triggers and anything else just to try and find the right point to pick them up to no avail. I'm sorry, the game is just so broken that bleeding out is really your only option right now, sorry, even in the nice proto suits and great equipment.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:40:00 - [144] - Quote RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: SO the amount of logi suits i've seen after my game session was roughly about 50% of players. That means 50% of players were running logis, the amount of times i was revived 0. The amount of ammo on the fiield, 0. the amount of times i was revived , 0... And about 90% of the players both in my team and enemies that i saw rocking a yellow caldari proto suit, went over 6 KDR.MINIMUM. F***** Ridiculous. That suit is broken. You're not getting revived, repaired, or resupplied because we can't do it. The radial menu is screwed up worse than before and it's damn near impossible to revive someone. One of my squad mates died and 3 of us hovered around him with needles trying to find where the game wants us to stab them. Devs are looking into it though. Amen, broken gameplay means I can't help my bros out. I run all over their corpses jamming the triggers and anything else just to try and find the right point to pick them up to no avail. I'm sorry, the game is just so broken that bleeding out is really your only option right now, sorry, even in the nice proto suits and great equipment. Ok Thats that, i didnt know,ty for the info. But AGAIN , im not talking about the people who use Proto Logis to help their team, but the ones using them as Assault v.2.0 Yesterday i played about 5 hours, got to see a good amount of those suits.6 men squad with 700-900+ total HP stomping down on everything,not always had a chance to even throw a flux grenades, those Poto AR can cut through you like butter with a simple complex damage mod... I just Hope the scrambler rifle works and will have to replace my precious AV grenades with flux... I wont complain anymore. I think i'll let the game run its course and later when everybody is fed up of Proto Logi-Assault modes , i'll come back to say: Told you so. I the meanwhile do your thing.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 601	Posted - 2013.05.09 22:13:00 - [145] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: SO the amount of logi suits i've seen after my game session was roughly about 50% of players. That means 50% of players were running logis, the amount of times i was revived 0. The amount of ammo on the fiield, 0. the amount of times i was revived , 0... And about 90% of the players both in my team and enemies that i saw rocking a yellow caldari proto suit, went over 6 KDR.MINIMUM. F***** Ridiculous. That suit is broken. You're not getting revived, repaired, or resupplied because we can't do it. The radial menu is screwed up worse than before and it's damn near impossible to revive someone. One of my squad mates died and 3 of us hovered around him with needles trying to find where the game wants us to stab them. Devs are looking into it though. Amen, broken gameplay means I can't help my bros out. I run all over their corpses jamming the triggers and anything else just to try and find the right point to pick them up to no avail. I'm sorry, the game is just so broken that bleeding out is really your only option right now, sorry, even in the nice proto suits and great equipment. Ok Thats that, i didnt know,ty for the info. But AGAIN , im not talking about the people who use Proto Logis to help their team, but the ones using them as Assault v.2.0 Yesterday i played about 5 hours, got to see a good amount of those suits.6 men squad with 700-900+ total HP stomping down on everything,not always had a chance to even throw a flux grenades, those Poto AR can cut through you like butter with a simple complex damage mod... I just Hope the scrambler rifle works and will have to replace my precious AV grenades with flux... I wont complain anymore. I think i'll let the game run its course and later when everybody is fed up of Proto Logi-Assault modes , i'll come back to say: Told you so. I the meanwhile do your thing. In the meantime, I suggest that you brainstorm for ways to reinforce other gaming mechanics to compensate for what can be perceived as imbalanced. Each dropsuit class, weapon, and vehicle brings a different aspect to the battlefield and should be respected for its variety instead of shunned for its differences. We all care about Dust 514 and want it to grow to be the incredible game we all want it to be, but constantly suggesting for nerfs shouldn't be the only option. Respect each gaming mechanic for having advantages over others and learn their weaknesses to make them your advantage.
Galm Fae Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.05.10 03:01:00 - [146] - Quote Doctor Nihk wrote: The problem is.. In my eyes.. This suit should have been the opposite of the Gallente suit in terms of slots. 5 highs and 2 lows. People can and will easily abuse this suit by running NO equipment on it and dual tanking complex armor on the lows and damage mods with complex buffed shielding on the highs. So the people replying "zomg just flux" dont get it really. This suit absolutely has a better assault platform than the assault.. Platform. That makes.... Sense. The answer? Give this suit 4 equipment slots and make it the shield tank opposite to Gallente with 5 highs and 2 lows or whatever the **** it would be. See CCP. Balance. THATS HOW ITS DONE. This. THIIIIIIIS.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2013.05.10 03:10:00 - [147] - Quote Cosgar: ''In the meantime, I suggest that you brainstorm for ways to reinforce other gaming mechanics to compensate for what can be perceived as imbalanced. Each dropsuit class, weapon, and vehicle brings a different aspect to the battlefield and should be respected for its variety instead of shunned for its differences. We all care about Dust 514 and want it to grow to be the incredible game we all want it to be, but constantly suggesting for nerfs shouldn't be the only option. Respect each gaming mechanic for having advantages over others and learn their weaknesses to make them your advantage'' I did see? XD https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75241&find=unread
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 608	Posted - 2013.05.10 03:12:00 - [148] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar: ''In the meantime, I suggest that you brainstorm for ways to reinforce other gaming mechanics to compensate for what can be perceived as imbalanced. Each dropsuit class, weapon, and vehicle brings a different aspect to the battlefield and should be respected for its variety instead of shunned for its differences. We all care about Dust 514 and want it to grow to be the incredible game we all want it to be, but constantly suggesting for nerfs shouldn't be the only option. Respect each gaming mechanic for having advantages over others and learn their weaknesses to make them your advantage'' I did see? XD https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75241&find=unread Yeah, I've been commenting on your suggestions lol
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 935	Posted - 2013.05.10 07:36:00 - [149] - Quote So the OP goes up against Pink Fully mercs, using the now brokenly op Tac and decides this means the Logi suit is broken and should be nerfed. You know it was a running gag between myself and the various Corps I squad with that we'd know the forums had hit a new low when the "nerf Logi" threads started to show up, I guess the punchline is that such a thread actually exists now Here's a basic list of flaws in the premise 1) The weapon (and likely damage mod stacking) is broken or broken twice if we include the assumption of stacked mods. 2) Balancing game mechanics around outliers (like top players) is poor practice and diminishes the quality of the game. PFBz have proven they have upper tier competitive skill. 3) Flux Grenades. Caldari shield tanked suits are one of the only things I can consistently kill with my over nerfed MD simply because they evaporate if you look at them wrong after a flux. Now all that being said the assault suits should have specializations that make them attractive to those in assault roles. Heavies very much need some love starting with a real fix to the mass over nerf on the HMG Scouts are not weaker than Logi in Uprising and are getting some love anyway as more scout suits and the cloak come out. Final note, all aiming and hit detection are pretty bad at the moment, which should be resolved before breaking out the nerf bat. 0.02 ISK Cross
RKRK The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 0	Posted - 2013.05.10 08:07:00 - [150] - Quote Did anyone notice how the original post said " IM TALKING SPECIALLY ABOUT HE CALDARI LOGI" and then gives a solution for all the logi races?



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