EXACTLY.

Wanna use AR some other Dropsuit. Logis are for Support, not Assault purposes.

POINT IS, CCP NEEDS TO CHECK THESE PLAYERS AND MAKE LOGI WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, A SUPPORT CLASS.

First of all im not ASKING for a nerf on logis, learn to read. Im asking for limitations on the weapons they use.
Logis need all those slots and CPU / PG for SUPPORT, not Assault purposes.

It costs people that went proto Caldari Logistics 5 million SP. You think the suit is too strong, but it represents a gigantic SP investment. Even stacking all 5 upper slots on a proto with complex extenders wouldn't save your shields from a single level 1 flux grenade.

The Amarr Logi has great armor repping passives. The minny is fast, and gets a hacking bonus. The Gallente.... uh... looks nice.

Logistics players have a gigantic SP sink just to get the suit (5m). The equipment skills all sit at 3x. All that before you've touched weapons.

Perhaps what actually needs tuning here is the special assault suits (which are mostly identical to medium frame suits), or the special scout suits (which are mostly identical to light frames), or the sentinel suits (which seem worse than the basic heavy frames).

Logis don't need to be nerfed because people can't figure out how shields work. The logi PG/CPU difference is to fit all the equipment and slots. Have you seen what happened to low level equipment? It's nerfed to crazy town. Useful hives and links have all been pushed to the high end. Even with better PG/CPU, logis will have problems fitting.

Maybe post some feedback about altering the specialization suits (outside logis) so they're not the same as basic frames rather than nerfing the role that got some differentiation (at the cost of any low-tier suits with multiple slots).

Its a new dawn.

Logistic Suits are getting a little too much i say.They are creating a Meta staple of Massive total HP Assault units with unlimited restrictions and unlimited custom-ability...

They are supposed to be SUPPORT dropsuits.And they are ABUSED into creating Monstrous Assault Loadouts.
AND IM TALKING SPECIALLY ABOUT HE CALDARI LOGI

What prevents a player of Tanking with , say a Calgari Logi?
And this is not Regular Tanking. This is Heavy+ level tanking with Assault class speed.

First post was TL;DR and I'm not going to bother reading through 9 pages when I can't be bothered to read the first post. This post will be in response to what I think this is about: Assault players using Logistics suits for their increased slot count. Or Logis just not healing, reviving, ect.

If they feel like tanking and such, let them, they are giving up their sidearm for it (unless they are Amarr, the most combat oriented Logi suit in my opinion, to be used by Assault players that pull double duty as Logi).

Odds are, they'll still have some PG/CPU left so they'll most likely fit equipment onto it, it might not be high end equipment, or equipment that's really usefull in the current situation, but it'll help support the team none the less.

For Logis that actually ARE Logis not helping.... Can't really say much about them, I CAN say that since Chromosome I have found myselft healing and supporting my team less and less (I blame being stuck in a Skinweave because Logi suits cost more SP than I thought so I didn't have enough to get them, as well as the wheel seeming sluggish and unresponsive, and the nanite injector rarely reviving).

Keep in mind that they might not have the necessary equipment to assist you. If you need ammo but the Logi only has an active scanner, remote explosives, and drop uplink, then they won't be able to help.

So when shall CCP's nerf hammer hit the minmatar, gallente and caldari logi suits? :3

It's not the suits it's the skill buffs and even then only the Cal buff is out of line (the weak layout of the Amarr not withstanding).
To build a Logi suit with the same stats as an Assault requires more ISK per fit and often more SP as well.
Most of the broken "logi" fits that have been posted or identified are using the already broken TAR and even then still cost more to field.
~Cross

okay... flaws with this guy's argument:
1. Logistics suits of all kinds stick out like sore thumbs, and make nicer targets than heavies.
2.LogiBros already move slower than Assaults.
3. Logistic suits are limited by carrying a single weapon, and then a whole bunch of equipment, yes, most of this is to heal/revive/restock fellow teammates
4. Logistics have to dive out mid firefight and revive some dumb bluedots/reddots because he dies in the middle of the feild.

so i say, take, at most, a single slot from all logi suits. yeah, lots of logi players like to tank out hard core, but they have **** for stamina natural, and most of their defences lack early on.
side note.... i blast Logis with my MD easily enough... especially if they are stupid enough to run straight at me

Actually even without the "shield buff" that caldari logi receives you can obtain higher amount of shields and armor if you want ... the caldari logi can also obtain a very close amount of shields and armor while still having 2x Low-Power slots free, higher base CPU and PG (easier to fit proto modules/weapons), higher equipment slots, the additional cost of modules makes it up for the boost in performance making you less likely to die at a cost of one sidearm slot, the same amount of SP needs to be invested in both racial suits if we compared proto caldari assault (racial) and proto caldari logistics.

As for the rest of the logistics except for the Amarr, it is clear as water that they can surpass its racial counterpart in the assault branch due to CPU/PG and additional slots

Still funny that after all this time, we're still beating this dead horse. People still think the all the logis are OP when it's the racial bonus of the CaLogi. You guys know I still get hate mail for being a Minmatar logistics right? You know the one, relatively unchanged since E3, gained a racial bonus only marginally useful in specific game modes, lost 35 shields in exchange for an extra equipment slot at proto level? You guys need to get your facts straight. Also, if you do happen to see any Minmatar logis out there kicking ass, tell them to shoot me a message in game. I'd like to know what they're doing that I'm doing wrong.