Just a thought...but how about a second respec for skills on the 14. Given that new items are coming out and this could serve as an 8 day testing period for all of those who played in the beta.

I may also have selfish reasons such that I regret not going into scout suits and want to try again haha :P

Wouldn't be impossible or the worst thing in the world.

true, guaranteed people have already chosen wrong skills,
i only bought my AR skills so far :P

Just a thought...but how about a second respec for skills on the 14. Given that new items are coming out and this could serve as an 8 day testing period for all of those who played in the beta.

I may also have selfish reasons such that I regret not going into scout suits and want to try again haha :P

Wouldn't be impossible or the worst thing in the world.

+1 i was thinking of this but didn't really decide to post on it so it didn't use space

Yeah, I fully expect to just be out of luck on this one. But someone might as well request it and see how CCP feels. My love for the game is strongest when I am running around in a scout suit with explosives.

I'd be against that - another respec - on principle. I'm sorry that you spent your SP poorly. You're probably a good guy (or girl) who made an honest mistake. And normally, you might be able to coax a helping hand out of someone.

This, however, is New Eden. You are part of the harshest environment imaginable, where your success comes from your attention to details. You double check what each skill does before you triple check how much SP it costs you. You look at how to maximize your DPS while maintaining a high speed. And you look through the forums daily, constantly looking for another leg up on your competition.

That's the world I want to live in anyway.

TL;DR: I'm sorry for your mistakes, but that's just the nature of the game. There will almost certainly not be another re-allocation of skills.

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true, guaranteed people have already chosen wrong skills,
i only bought my AR skills so far :P

I logged on to post a similar thread then found yours. I support your request. anyone else that does should hit the LIKE button for the OP.

people were bombarded with many options new skill names and layout. many made mistakes and regretted decisions. I have a friend that regrets putting points in the gallente assault instead of caldari for one example. All mighty DEVs, I implore you to be as generous as you have always been with us and grant us this wish. We gladly and proudly became your lab rats for a year, give us extra cheese please.

I'd be against that - another respec - on principle. I'm sorry that you spent your SP poorly. You're probably a good guy (or girl) who made an honest mistake. And normally, you might be able to coax a helping hand out of someone.

This, however, is New Eden. You are part of the harshest environment imaginable, where your success comes from your attention to details. You double check what each skill does before you triple check how much SP it costs you. You look at how to maximize your DPS while maintaining a high speed. And you look through the forums daily, constantly looking for another leg up on your competition.

That's the world I want to live in anyway.

TL;DR: I'm sorry for your mistakes, but that's just the nature of the game. There will almost certainly not be another re-allocation of skills.

I'd be against that - another respec - on principle. I'm sorry that you spent your SP poorly. You're probably a good guy (or girl) who made an honest mistake. And normally, you might be able to coax a helping hand out of someone.

This, however, is New Eden. You are part of the harshest environment imaginable, where your success comes from your attention to details. You double check what each skill does before you triple check how much SP it costs you. You look at how to maximize your DPS while maintaining a high speed. And you look through the forums daily, constantly looking for another leg up on your competition.

That's the world I want to live in anyway.

TL;DR: I'm sorry for your mistakes, but that's just the nature of the game. There will almost certainly not be another re-allocation of skills.

I'd be against that - another respec - on principle. I'm sorry that you spent your SP poorly. You're probably a good guy (or girl) who made an honest mistake. And normally, you might be able to coax a helping hand out of someone.

This, however, is New Eden. You are part of the harshest environment imaginable, where your success comes from your attention to details. You double check what each skill does before you triple check how much SP it costs you. You look at how to maximize your DPS while maintaining a high speed. And you look through the forums daily, constantly looking for another leg up on your competition.

That's the world I want to live in anyway.

TL;DR: I'm sorry for your mistakes, but that's just the nature of the game. There will almost certainly not be another re-allocation of skills.

I'd be against that - another respec - on principle. I'm sorry that you spent your SP poorly. You're probably a good guy (or girl) who made an honest mistake. And normally, you might be able to coax a helping hand out of someone.

This, however, is New Eden. You are part of the harshest environment imaginable, where your success comes from your attention to details. You double check what each skill does before you triple check how much SP it costs you. You look at how to maximize your DPS while maintaining a high speed. And you look through the forums daily, constantly looking for another leg up on your competition.

That's the world I want to live in anyway.

TL;DR: I'm sorry for your mistakes, but that's just the nature of the game. There will almost certainly not be another re-allocation of skills.

I skilled a decent way into the vehicle fitting skills. Tried to build a Sica, and found I was short on PG/CPU. I tried skilling further into my fitting skill to be able to create the fitting I wanted, went back, and found out that I had spend over half a million SP on skill that gave me ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THE EXTRA PG OR CPU THEY ADVERTISED.

I'd be against that - another respec - on principle. I'm sorry that you spent your SP poorly. You're probably a good guy (or girl) who made an honest mistake. And normally, you might be able to coax a helping hand out of someone.

This, however, is New Eden. You are part of the harshest environment imaginable, where your success comes from your attention to details. You double check what each skill does before you triple check how much SP it costs you. You look at how to maximize your DPS while maintaining a high speed. And you look through the forums daily, constantly looking for another leg up on your competition.

That's the world I want to live in anyway.

TL;DR: I'm sorry for your mistakes, but that's just the nature of the game. There will almost certainly not be another re-allocation of skills.

There are many ways that this can go,

1. Everyone gets to respec again on the 14th, all stuff is refunded AGAIN.
2. Everyone gets to respec again, but this time you have to keep what you have and deal with it.
3. Optional respec, and all stuff is refunded again.
4. Optional respec, keeping your current assets.
5. Nobody gets to respec and if you shovelled your points into things then tough.

- -

1. nobody really loses out, but you can guarantee whining.
2. only losses are to spent ISK/AUR
3 + 4. would cause QQ from some and joy from others.
5. QQ from some, HTFUs from others...

you can see how this goes...


Whatever happens, CCP do need to think about it hard and quickly, then respond to the concerns of all players.


This has been a major update to the game and many have either made rash decisions, drunken choices, and or misinformed guesses... We are all in this for the long haul (ok some are only in it until the next Battlefied of Duty), and we will all have to live or die by both our and CCPs decisions.

Yes yes yes!

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In addition to a moderate isk or aur payment, your new clone is penalized with a reduction of 4-8% of your total lifetime skill points. This may be equivalent to losing the training points and implants of one's poded capsuleer in EVE. It requires a long investment to regain what was lost--yet a majority of your abilities are not lost.

Just a thought...but how about a second respec for skills on the 14. Given that new items are coming out and this could serve as an 8 day testing period for all of those who played in the beta.

I may also have selfish reasons such that I regret not going into scout suits and want to try again haha :P

Wouldn't be impossible or the worst thing in the world.

It would be great to have 8 days of being able to experiment and then be able to move on. Don't even refund the items, just give people their SP back and they can deal with selling the gear they wont use when the open market goes online.

I was one of the people who was stupid and thought I knew what I was doing.

I spent an hour adding up SP costs from my old setup to my new intended setup. After realizing I wouldn't have enough SP to get everything I wanted, I made adjustments and downgrades until I was satisfied. But, just to be sure, I logged in on one of my alts and tested everything out, one piece at a time. It took about half a day doing so, but I reallocated my SP without any shred of buyers remorse?

Why didn't anybody else do the same thing?

Those skills are for infantry only. You need the vehicle fitting skills.

What do you mean you reallocated. Can you move SPs from one character to another?

I suspect several people probably skilled certain books up above there usefulness (ex, taking dropsuit command to lvl 5 when the benefit ends at lvl 3)GǪ

I suggested that these skill books be capped at the lvl of benefit, and the overage be reimbursed here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74128

lol. I'm not saying it can't be avoided by reading, but i can see people doing it anyway.... Same reason they put fences at the zoo. No matter how many signs, without the fence to stop them, people would walk right into the lion's den...

You guys do know that nobody twisted your arm into spending all your SP without reading up on stuff. IWS even put out an excel sheet on the multiplier comparisons from Chromosone to Uprising. Why couldn't you guys be patient?

Come on, you know you don't actually know changes until you test them out first-hand. As for the respec, it would be nice to have one, but I am willing suffer the consequences of skilling into the MD too fast.

I didn't know, but I did my research and waited for feedback under the assumption that this is going to be the first and last respec. Hell, I didn't even touch my main until I was comfortable with the skill selection on one of my alts. Sure I didn't get to get right in on the action and in corp events and all that, but I wound up happy with my choices.

What's wrong with the mass driver? I've been seeing people raging over it, but it feels fine to me to the point that I almost have proficiency maxed and a pair of damage mods.

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waited for feedback

Or an AUR respec for about 20,000 that can only be done once a month to avoid abuse.

@Garrett Blacknova:

You have a legitimate complaint. Fortunately, it is one that is easily fixable. I don't think something as major as CPU/PG upgrades will go unnoticed. I would still caution against a full SP respec in your case, however. You have the benefit of hindsight. You purchased the skills thinking that they would work. You thought that you were going to get "+5% PG" per level. I think that your SP should stay in those skill, and those skills should be fixed. I do not think that you should get that SP back because "in retrospect, that was a mistake", largely because that's a slippery slope. Unless they just reset everyone's SP to account for every mistake, someone who feels like their mistake is valid is going to be left out. I don't think its fair to the people who didn't make any "mistakes" this time around for all of their competition to get another chance to catch up. In my eyes, its like stopping a race because one racer had a bad start.

Bump this thread as well,

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=766309#post766309

I doubt CCP will make another repec thhey will let people live with their decisions and some will quit, HTFU.

You need at least 15 m skill points to be in a good competitive position and that's if you actually didn't put your points in the wrong place else it might take you around 18~20m total skill points

a) Play, if you spent your points on crap LOL on you... prepare to rage.
b) AFK, until you reach that amount
c) Quit, let the passive SP do your job and see you next year

Yep. It's totally a great idea to "let people live with" decisions that were based on CCP's failure to provide the correct descriptions on the skills we were training.

Because skilling into something that was advertised as increasing PG when it actually reduces CPU costs on PG upgrades (and doesn't even do that properly for all of them), that's definitely our fault, and not CCP's for providing us with incorrect information.

I doubt CCP will make another repec thhey will let people live with their decisions and some will quit, HTFU.

You need at least 15 m skill points to be in a good competitive position and that's if you actually didn't put your points in the wrong place else it might take you around 18~20m total skill points

a) Play, if you spent your points on crap LOL on you... prepare to rage.
b) AFK, until you reach that amount
c) Quit, let the passive SP do your job and see you next year

I guess we can safely say this is a 50/50 scenario. I like the idea of a respec. All of a sudden the builds I had before Uprising are gone because the Skill Progression to attain the equipment I needed has changed. Makes me a little sad to realize that my 2.5 million SP if kicking around doing nothing tangible for me.

However, as most of us realize this IS still New Eden ...

I'd like a respec, but I agree with the OP and will bite the bullet and grind that SP to get my gear back the way I'm supposed to.

This is NOT New Eden, not yet, at least. Not until the official release on the 14th.

This is an incomplete, unfinished BETA version of an as-yet-to-be-released game. Mistakes can, and will, be made during a Beta, both on the part of the Devs and the players. It's part of the testing, evaluation, and feedback process, and what a BETA TEST is intended for.

Decisions, choices, and yes, even mistakes made during a BETA TEST should not be permanently held against the player post-release.

Doing so undermines the whole beta process by discouraging experimentation by the testers.

Just a thought...but how about a second respec for skills on the 14. Given that new items are coming out and this could serve as an 8 day testing period for all of those who played in the beta.

I may also have selfish reasons such that I regret not going into scout suits and want to try again haha :P

Wouldn't be impossible or the worst thing in the world.

Although understandable and reasonably logical, there is still the possibility that CCP won't trigger a respec on the 14th. A fact we're all going to have to live with if they don't do it.