DUST Search - A Second Respec

Lonnar wrote:

Jaqen Morghalis wrote:

Lonnar wrote:

I guess we can safely say this is a 50/50 scenario. I like the idea of a respec. All of a sudden the builds I had before Uprising are gone because the Skill Progression to attain the equipment I needed has changed. Makes me a little sad to realize that my 2.5 million SP if kicking around doing nothing tangible for me.

However, as most of us realize this IS still New Eden ...

I'd like a respec, but I agree with the OP and will bite the bullet and grind that SP to get my gear back the way I'm supposed to.

This is NOT New Eden, not yet, at least. Not until the official release on the 14th.

This is an incomplete, unfinished BETA version of an as-yet-to-be-released game. Mistakes can, and will, be made during a Beta, both on the part of the Devs and the players. It's part of the testing, evaluation, and feedback process, and what a BETA TEST is intended for.

Decisions, choices, and yes, even mistakes made during a BETA TEST should not be permanently held against the player post-release.

Doing so undermines the whole beta process by discouraging experimentation by the testers.

Although understandable and reasonably logical, there is still the possibility that CCP won't trigger a respec on the 14th. A fact we're all going to have to live with if they don't do it.

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EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1013	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:14:00 - [91] - Quote I planned ahead with my SP CCP screwed it up by making the skills not work and descriptions wrong which also makes it a stealth nerf to vehicles because the new descriptions are diff to the old ones so we skilled into stuff we didnt want to skill into CCP lied I want a respec
Kesi Raae Kaae Much Crying Old Experts 66	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:17:00 - [92] - Quote Currently some Vehicle shield modules require you to train dropsuit skills, I'd at least like CCP to refund those skills because if they don't many people using Shield Vehicles will find they'll no longer be able to deploy them when they fix the skill requirements.
LittleCuteBunny Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 8	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:28:00 - [93] - Quote I doubt CCP will make another repec thhey will let people live with their decisions and some will quit, HTFU. You need at least 15 m skill points to be in a good competitive position and that's if you actually didn't put your points in the wrong place else it might take you around 18~20m total skill points a) Play, if you spent your points on crap LOL on you... prepare to rage. b) AFK, until you reach that amount c) Quit, let the passive SP do your job and see you next year
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2849	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:35:00 - [94] - Quote LittleCuteBunny wrote: I doubt CCP will make another repec thhey will let people live with their decisions and some will quit, HTFU. You need at least 15 m skill points to be in a good competitive position and that's if you actually didn't put your points in the wrong place else it might take you around 18~20m total skill points a) Play, if you spent your points on crap LOL on you... prepare to rage. b) AFK, until you reach that amount c) Quit, let the passive SP do your job and see you next year Yep. It's totally a great idea to "let people live with" decisions that were based on CCP's failure to provide the correct descriptions on the skills we were training. Because skilling into something that was advertised as increasing PG when it actually reduces CPU costs on PG upgrades (and doesn't even do that properly for all of them), that's definitely our fault, and not CCP's for providing us with incorrect information.
LittleCuteBunny Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 8	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:38:00 - [95] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: LittleCuteBunny wrote: I doubt CCP will make another repec thhey will let people live with their decisions and some will quit, HTFU. You need at least 15 m skill points to be in a good competitive position and that's if you actually didn't put your points in the wrong place else it might take you around 18~20m total skill points a) Play, if you spent your points on crap LOL on you... prepare to rage. b) AFK, until you reach that amount c) Quit, let the passive SP do your job and see you next year Yep. It's totally a great idea to "let people live with" decisions that were based on CCP's failure to provide the correct descriptions on the skills we were training. Because skilling into something that was advertised as increasing PG when it actually reduces CPU costs on PG upgrades (and doesn't even do that properly for all of them), that's definitely our fault, and not CCP's for providing us with incorrect information. CCP is glad you admit your failure, lmao
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 433	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:02:00 - [96] - Quote It seems that CCP messed up a skill description (Vehicle PG) and does something totally different then what it actually does. If nothing else, that skill should have a respec. But ya, several of my members made mistakes because this new system was just confusing to them. +1
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege 22	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:03:00 - [97] - Quote LittleCuteBunny wrote: I doubt CCP will make another repec thhey will let people live with their decisions and some will quit, HTFU. You need at least 15 m skill points to be in a good competitive position and that's if you actually didn't put your points in the wrong place else it might take you around 18~20m total skill points a) Play, if you spent your points on crap LOL on you... prepare to rage. b) AFK, until you reach that amount c) Quit, let the passive SP do your job and see you next year Unfortunately, this kind of "HTFU or quit" attitude, discouraging new players, or encouraging players to quit, is completely counterproductive to the success of the game itself. Because the game is free and a new player has zero invested in it, there is very little reason for them to come back at all once they've been discouraged. Do you honestly think that a new player will stick with the game if their potential for success involves AFKing, or waiting a year for the Passive SP to accumulate? MOST players play games for the enjoyment of actually PLAYING them, not to put them on auto-pilot and wait. That's almost... no, that's EXACTLY as much fun as watching paint dry.
Abdulazez AL-Osaimy The Enclave Syndicate 1	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:50:00 - [98] - Quote I think they should make an option I mean if you want to respec you have to pay 1.000.000 isk or something to respec and it only can be done once a every month
Lonnar KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 13	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:16:00 - [99] - Quote I guess we can safely say this is a 50/50 scenario. I like the idea of a respec. All of a sudden the builds I had before Uprising are gone because the Skill Progression to attain the equipment I needed has changed. Makes me a little sad to realize that my 2.5 million SP if kicking around doing nothing tangible for me. However, as most of us realize this IS still New Eden ... I'd like a respec, but I agree with the OP and will bite the bullet and grind that SP to get my gear back the way I'm supposed to.
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege 32	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:28:00 - [100] - Quote Lonnar wrote: I guess we can safely say this is a 50/50 scenario. I like the idea of a respec. All of a sudden the builds I had before Uprising are gone because the Skill Progression to attain the equipment I needed has changed. Makes me a little sad to realize that my 2.5 million SP if kicking around doing nothing tangible for me. However, as most of us realize this IS still New Eden ... I'd like a respec, but I agree with the OP and will bite the bullet and grind that SP to get my gear back the way I'm supposed to. This is NOT New Eden, not yet, at least. Not until the official release on the 14th. This is an incomplete, unfinished BETA version of an as-yet-to-be-released game. Mistakes can, and will, be made during a Beta, both on the part of the Devs and the players. It's part of the testing, evaluation, and feedback process, and what a BETA TEST is intended for. Decisions, choices, and yes, even mistakes made during a BETA TEST should not be permanently held against the player post-release. Doing so undermines the whole beta process by discouraging experimentation by the testers.

H4lfdog KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2013.05.09 16:17:00 - [101] - Quote /signed for respec.
Asmadai HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 76	Posted - 2013.05.09 17:30:00 - [102] - Quote Hey, I'd like to direct everyone here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=775918#post775918 Looks as if the CPM had a meeting with CCP today to discuss a variety of matters and from that I'd say we will get one. Cheers!
Ademis Kalel WarRavens Orion Empire 6	Posted - 2013.05.09 18:12:00 - [103] - Quote HEAR, HEAR!
Lonnar KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 13	Posted - 2013.05.09 23:58:00 - [104] - Quote Jaqen Morghalis wrote: Lonnar wrote: I guess we can safely say this is a 50/50 scenario. I like the idea of a respec. All of a sudden the builds I had before Uprising are gone because the Skill Progression to attain the equipment I needed has changed. Makes me a little sad to realize that my 2.5 million SP if kicking around doing nothing tangible for me. However, as most of us realize this IS still New Eden ... I'd like a respec, but I agree with the OP and will bite the bullet and grind that SP to get my gear back the way I'm supposed to. This is NOT New Eden, not yet, at least. Not until the official release on the 14th. This is an incomplete, unfinished BETA version of an as-yet-to-be-released game. Mistakes can, and will, be made during a Beta, both on the part of the Devs and the players. It's part of the testing, evaluation, and feedback process, and what a BETA TEST is intended for. Decisions, choices, and yes, even mistakes made during a BETA TEST should not be permanently held against the player post-release. Doing so undermines the whole beta process by discouraging experimentation by the testers. Although understandable and reasonably logical, there is still the possibility that CCP won't trigger a respec on the 14th. A fact we're all going to have to live with if they don't do it.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 58	Posted - 2013.05.10 00:30:00 - [105] - Quote Asmadai wrote: Just a thought...but how about a second respec for skills on the 14. Given that new items are coming out and this could serve as an 8 day testing period for all of those who played in the beta. I may also have selfish reasons such that I regret not going into scout suits and want to try again haha :P Wouldn't be impossible or the worst thing in the world. The problem is, NO ONE is telling us if we DO have a re-spec on the 14th or not. If they confirmed it we could all have fun testing stuff. So people like me that are sucking around in militia gear waiting for the 14th without a single SP point spent in order to try out the new stuff first will have wasted a good week of having better performance for nothing.A week of good K/D ratios and SP gain. so either announce NOW there will be a respec or no respec AT ALL.
Hellsatano Academy Inferno CRONOS. 5	Posted - 2013.05.10 01:37:00 - [106] - Quote If we have another respec - will it remove all bugshit? I dont wanna "Try everything for 12kk SP" and return to mercenary fits\weapons i wanna spend all sp to sigle WORKING SKILLS and killkillkill
KURO SHISHI Prima Gallicus 1	Posted - 2013.05.10 01:40:00 - [107] - Quote +1
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege 40	Posted - 2013.05.10 01:46:00 - [108] - Quote Lonnar wrote: Jaqen Morghalis wrote: Lonnar wrote: I guess we can safely say this is a 50/50 scenario. I like the idea of a respec. All of a sudden the builds I had before Uprising are gone because the Skill Progression to attain the equipment I needed has changed. Makes me a little sad to realize that my 2.5 million SP if kicking around doing nothing tangible for me. However, as most of us realize this IS still New Eden ... I'd like a respec, but I agree with the OP and will bite the bullet and grind that SP to get my gear back the way I'm supposed to. This is NOT New Eden, not yet, at least. Not until the official release on the 14th. This is an incomplete, unfinished BETA version of an as-yet-to-be-released game. Mistakes can, and will, be made during a Beta, both on the part of the Devs and the players. It's part of the testing, evaluation, and feedback process, and what a BETA TEST is intended for. Decisions, choices, and yes, even mistakes made during a BETA TEST should not be permanently held against the player post-release. Doing so undermines the whole beta process by discouraging experimentation by the testers. Although understandable and reasonably logical, there is still the possibility that CCP won't trigger a respec on the 14th. A fact we're all going to have to live with if they don't do it. I understand that, and I'm not saying that they WILL provide a respec at the end of the beta, what I'm saying is that they SHOULD.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 43	Posted - 2013.05.10 13:35:00 - [109] - Quote Well, it's apparently likely enough to state in public. Why don't you guys read the link at the top of the page?


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