DUST Search - A Second Respec

Cosgar wrote:

Justin Tymes wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

You guys do know that nobody twisted your arm into spending all your SP without reading up on stuff. IWS even put out an excel sheet on the multiplier comparisons from Chromosone to Uprising. Why couldn't you guys be patient?

Come on, you know you don't actually know changes until you test them out first-hand. As for the respec, it would be nice to have one, but I am willing suffer the consequences of skilling into the MD too fast.

I didn't know, but I did my research and waited for feedback under the assumption that this is going to be the first and last respec. Hell, I didn't even touch my main until I was comfortable with the skill selection on one of my alts. Sure I didn't get to get right in on the action and in corp events and all that, but I wound up happy with my choices.

What's wrong with the mass driver? I've been seeing people raging over it, but it feels fine to me to the point that I almost have proficiency maxed and a pair of damage mods.

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RedBleach LeSanglant Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 167	Posted - 2013.05.08 04:35:00 - [61] - Quote There is so much to test. I to bungled some skill points in testing as the skills were not clear on how they interacted for my logibro crew. I would like a reset as well now knowing what was not posted at the time, how some skills are broken and how others do not act as they should. One example, as some of you may know, now that investing in different special suits that say "suit type bonus: etc." do not stack for every suit type. It is not specified that it will only work for that suit because beneath that is another statements saying the racial variant bonus of the suit. Yet the skill only applies to that suit type, that racial varient. That was not listed, it needed to be tested. Allowing the skilling to stack would have been op - but it needed to be verified and now we can recommend that the writing clarify such statements like adding the racial variant name to both skills listed so as to announce that it only works on that suit and not just the class. Skill reset for the 14th please. And so far the game is quite beautiful, thank you
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 531	Posted - 2013.05.08 04:41:00 - [62] - Quote You guys do know that nobody twisted your arm into spending all your SP without reading up on stuff. IWS even put out an excel sheet on the multiplier comparisons from Chromosone to Uprising. Why couldn't you guys be patient?
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2013.05.08 05:03:00 - [63] - Quote Cosgar wrote: You guys do know that nobody twisted your arm into spending all your SP without reading up on stuff. IWS even put out an excel sheet on the multiplier comparisons from Chromosone to Uprising. Why couldn't you guys be patient? Come on, you know you don't actually know changes until you test them out first-hand. As for the respec, it would be nice to have one, but I am willing suffer the consequences of skilling into the MD too fast.
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 256	Posted - 2013.05.08 05:44:00 - [64] - Quote lol thread is TL;DR bumps anyway
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 538	Posted - 2013.05.08 05:51:00 - [65] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Cosgar wrote: You guys do know that nobody twisted your arm into spending all your SP without reading up on stuff. IWS even put out an excel sheet on the multiplier comparisons from Chromosone to Uprising. Why couldn't you guys be patient? Come on, you know you don't actually know changes until you test them out first-hand. As for the respec, it would be nice to have one, but I am willing suffer the consequences of skilling into the MD too fast. I didn't know, but I did my research and waited for feedback under the assumption that this is going to be the first and last respec. Hell, I didn't even touch my main until I was comfortable with the skill selection on one of my alts. Sure I didn't get to get right in on the action and in corp events and all that, but I wound up happy with my choices. What's wrong with the mass driver? I've been seeing people raging over it, but it feels fine to me to the point that I almost have proficiency maxed and a pair of damage mods.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 1110	Posted - 2013.05.08 05:52:00 - [66] - Quote As much as I'd like to agree, I think we have to reward those who were meticulous and planned. Many people held onto their SP and have been using militia suits to get a good feel on everything before speccing into it. I do agree however that any broken skills must be fixed right away. Otherwise it is destroying SP longer than it should. But all I must say, is that I planned my skills, and did so accordingly and I am happy however I would like to respec some of that vehicle SP because I realized that they are a very large hole for a while, one that can not even begin to be filled until I get my dropsuit out of the way, so I would rather have put that small G of SP into some dropsuit modules. But hey, we can't all be winners. So I will take my predicament and deal with it. Respecciing doesn't reward those who wisely used their SP. Also, you all knew the new stuff was coming out on the 14th, if you wanted to use that stuff why didn't you just wait?
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 38	Posted - 2013.05.08 14:06:00 - [67] - Quote I went into Dropsuits first, got confused, put 2M into a suit I didn't really like later on, and then went to go do weapons. I didn't see weapons weren't out 'til the 14th, I only knew PC was.
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2013.05.08 14:51:00 - [68] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Cosgar wrote: You guys do know that nobody twisted your arm into spending all your SP without reading up on stuff. IWS even put out an excel sheet on the multiplier comparisons from Chromosone to Uprising. Why couldn't you guys be patient? Come on, you know you don't actually know changes until you test them out first-hand. As for the respec, it would be nice to have one, but I am willing suffer the consequences of skilling into the MD too fast. I didn't know, but I did my research and waited for feedback under the assumption that this is going to be the first and last respec. Hell, I didn't even touch my main until I was comfortable with the skill selection on one of my alts. Sure I didn't get to get right in on the action and in corp events and all that, but I wound up happy with my choices. What's wrong with the mass driver? I've been seeing people raging over it, but it feels fine to me to the point that I almost have proficiency maxed and a pair of damage mods. You can't area deny with it anymore. The Assault is just doing pitiful damage against 400-500+ shielded enemies, and the 30% boost to armored enemies is just not large enough anymore to make that much of a difference without stacking damage mods. The standard is limited to 1-1 combat now, and you pretty much have to be using Freedom for it to be decent. Breach = garbage.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 38	Posted - 2013.05.08 15:13:00 - [69] - Quote Wait, Breach is garbage? The Breach MD is meant for Direct Hits, hence the small blast radius. The small radius allows you to get in tight quarters without committing accidental suicide. :P Or do you mean even WITH the DH, it still sucks? I agree with you though, the MD is terrible now (I haven't even tried it, Bojo made a comment on it, telling another corp member of the changes.). Why on earth would you remove smoke trails, and take out damage/spash radius? I always found it to be fine. I might not even go into MD now. :(
Kein-Engel Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 55	Posted - 2013.05.08 17:19:00 - [70] - Quote I want a respec because I wasted SP on dropships. The new dropships are so slow and heavy, you can't do anything with them. The small turrets suck on the assault dropship and they are awkward to fly. Between my vehicle command skills and my vehicle upgrade skills, I have over 5 million wasted SP because of the crappy flight mechanics. It wouldn't be so bad if I got SP for the mobile CRU, but I don't so it just isn't worth it. It didn't matter how much I read, I couldn't have found out about this without specing into these.

Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 18	Posted - 2013.05.08 17:48:00 - [71] - Quote Although I haven't successfully downloaded patch 3.04 yet I support this because of the mistakes in skill descriptions and other bugs. Having incorrect discription of skills isn't the players fault, so maybe just give back points in those skills. Hopefully I can play the new build soon, wasting an active booster right now with all the errors.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 185	Posted - 2013.05.08 18:07:00 - [72] - Quote Yes please I would like a chance to respec due to the fact that I sunk SP into false descriptions and was mislead. ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Hello, Thanks for your email. We are aware of an issue with sp,e skills that not operate as described and our Tech team is currently looking at having a fix deployed very soon in order to get the problem sorted. For information, the following skills and correct descriptions should be: Vehicle Core Upgrades -> +1% PG per level. Vehicle Engineering -> Reduces the CPU usage requirement of powergrid upgrade modules at -5% per level. I do apologise for the inconvenience. Regards, GM Vegas CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| Dust 514 ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Hello, The current in game skill description for those 2 mentioned skills are not accurate and as previously advised our Tech team is currently looking at getting a fix deployed shortly to resolve this issue. Again I do apologise for the inconvenience. Regards, GM Vegas CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| Dust 514 ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Hi all. I've been reading through and we appreciate your feedback. You're right about the vehicle engineering skill. For the other posters, I'm assuming you mean the vehicle core upgrades skill? The reason for lowering the overall bonus was to allow us to create a more varied difference in between our different vehicle roles within the same class. This will become more apparent in the future when we release even more roles with different slot layouts. We also want to make sure that new players have a fighting chance against more skill point rich players who can enjoy the benefit of compounding premium module bonuses in the same fitting. We'll be keeping a close eye on how this nets out in vehicle combat, and ensure that we still afford you the ability to create interesting and unique fits to compliment your combat experience. Best regards, - CCP Blam! This ^ above information was not release in the patch notes if this information was put out before patch I might have thought of going in a new direction.
Lightning xVx G I A N T EoN. 62	Posted - 2013.05.08 19:20:00 - [73] - Quote Bump dat RESPEC!
ADAM-OF-EVE Carbon 7 3	Posted - 2013.05.08 19:30:00 - [74] - Quote +1 respec
Soldiersaint Reaper Galactic 7	Posted - 2013.05.08 19:37:00 - [75] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: Yes yes yes! Respec for release! Start a petition! YES!......... I screwed myself up so bad well that's what I get for not being careful about how I spend my points. I think quiet a few of us would love a respec but if we cant have one then well that's what we get >.<
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 248	Posted - 2013.05.08 19:39:00 - [76] - Quote Cosgar wrote: waited for feedback Feedback from who? People that did spend their SP?
Asmadai HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 49	Posted - 2013.05.08 19:48:00 - [77] - Quote I can't see ANY downside to allowing for a second respec upon full release. The game changed drastically and because of people speccing into new and different things CCP is able to receive feedback on what may need to be broken or fixed. Our mistakes are leading to solutions and it would be fair to let us have another chance at selecting skills. Had the game updated so drastically after the full release I could understand if CCP was unwilling to allow for a respec. But as it was updated during beta I see no downside.
xSivartx Valor Tactical Operations 0	Posted - 2013.05.08 19:48:00 - [78] - Quote Or an AUR respec for about 20,000 that can only be done once a month to avoid abuse.
Big Boss XIII M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command 78	Posted - 2013.05.08 19:53:00 - [79] - Quote xSivartx wrote: Or an AUR respec for about 20,000 that can only be done once a month to avoid abuse. Thats a good idea but 10,000 would be enough
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 186	Posted - 2013.05.08 20:15:00 - [80] - Quote Bump this thread as well, https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=766309#post766309

jamstar saa187 Imperial Populicide Legion Alpha Wolf Pack 6	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:59:00 - [81] - Quote respec very much needed! (even if it is by way of an AUR augmentation)
Stands Alone Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:05:00 - [82] - Quote +1 I screwed up my respec as well. didnt notice until i played a few hours... then **** got real
RedBleach LeSanglant Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 174	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:34:00 - [83] - Quote "I planned out me respec and spent 14hrs on my spread sheets"... good for you now sit down. "Didn't you read all the material? It was quite obvious to me because i'm better at trolling, troll, troll troll"... sit down and shut it. "but if you really look at the set up of Eve.... TROLL"... just shut it. If you were so good a specing then you will have a chance to show off again, "place a gold star upon his chest." This is what we want. Go make your thread against it and stay out of ours. Our reasons are just as valid. Because we are gamers and we want to change what we did in the game - blaming it on the game and on ourselves. Bugs, erroneous descriptions, misleading information, etc. The game has still not officially launched. This is still a beta. Give me a skill respec option when it truly becomes a game for the rest of the world.
Stands Alone Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:38:00 - [84] - Quote Please post more topic threads with this topic. That will be our petition since we do not have a Jita or any monuments to shoot at for hours
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 491	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:46:00 - [85] - Quote i support second respec. after dealing with the crap for so long and this is what they are releasing.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2832	Posted - 2013.05.09 05:29:00 - [86] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: @Garrett Blacknova: You have a legitimate complaint. Fortunately, it is one that is easily fixable. I don't think something as major as CPU/PG upgrades will go unnoticed. I would still caution against a full SP respec in your case, however. You have the benefit of hindsight. You purchased the skills thinking that they would work. You thought that you were going to get "+5% PG" per level. I think that your SP should stay in those skill, and those skills should be fixed. I do not think that you should get that SP back because "in retrospect, that was a mistake", largely because that's a slippery slope. Unless they just reset everyone's SP to account for every mistake, someone who feels like their mistake is valid is going to be left out. I don't think its fair to the people who didn't make any "mistakes" this time around for all of their competition to get another chance to catch up. In my eyes, its like stopping a race because one racer had a bad start. That's not exactly the problem though. I didn't get the PG that should have come from the skill. I also wasn't getting CPU from my Vehicle Electronics skill, and I trained them both up several levels BEFORE I tried fitting anything, thinking I'd be just on, or maybe a little under the level I needed them. When I saw that I still needed a lot more of both, I went and skilled into Electronics, Engineering, AND the skill which reduces CPU costs on Shield Extenders. NONE of those skills applied their bonuses. If they had been working in the first place, I wouldn't have skilled into the Shield Extender skill at all (yet), and wouldn't have invested NEARLY as much into the Electronics and Engineering skills as I ended up with. I've over-spent skills on a character who doesn't even have 2 million SP, who I was planning on running as a tank alt, but who needs some of that SP to survive on the ground first. I've thrown away SP on skills which didn't work as described, and from the sound of things, might never work as they were described when I invested into them. Saying "they just need to fix it" isn't going to help me get the over-invested SP back, and that means my character is held back even worse than I should be.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 192	Posted - 2013.05.09 10:42:00 - [87] - Quote +1
Sky Lite Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 35	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:47:00 - [88] - Quote I have spoken to most people in corp about this and i can safely say that no-one got there skill list right. Mostely people not understanding the lock system on the new UI. Thus most people spec'd level 5 before realising you only needed maybe level 1 or 2 to unlock the next tier. We need a respec now that we understand the system. So PLEASE CCP allow us respec on the 14th xxx
flesth Red Star. EoN. 21	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:06:00 - [89] - Quote 2nd chance Respec make sence and it keep the most players happy in the long run , i fully support it Respec on 13-14 may and Fixed all error and correct the skills tree errors before we spend it, That way we know the errors is fixed and is safe to spend sp whatever on skills tree before PC comes, the error need to be fixed before PC anyway, at least we start again if PC comes and there still errors , it not going to be the same , ( Fixed errors / correct skills > 2nd chance Respec > PC ) then we play good game and more likely enjoy it that way
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 192	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:12:00 - [90] - Quote BMSTUBBY wrote: Bump this thread as well, https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=766309#post766309 Don't forget to bunp the above thread as well.



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