DUST Search - A Second Respec

Piercing Serenity wrote:

@Garrett Blacknova:

You have a legitimate complaint. Fortunately, it is one that is easily fixable. I don't think something as major as CPU/PG upgrades will go unnoticed. I would still caution against a full SP respec in your case, however. You have the benefit of hindsight. You purchased the skills thinking that they would work. You thought that you were going to get "+5% PG" per level. I think that your SP should stay in those skill, and those skills should be fixed. I do not think that you should get that SP back because "in retrospect, that was a mistake", largely because that's a slippery slope. Unless they just reset everyone's SP to account for every mistake, someone who feels like their mistake is valid is going to be left out. I don't think its fair to the people who didn't make any "mistakes" this time around for all of their competition to get another chance to catch up. In my eyes, its like stopping a race because one racer had a bad start.


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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2713	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:17:00 - [1] - Quote Spent a fair amount of SP on skills which are currently broken. Vehicle PG/CPU skills, mostly. Not happy. I want a respec AND I want the skills fixed, because I'd already spent a decent amount of SP before realising I wasn't getting the benefit of those skills - would be nice to be able to actually start from scratch and only spend the SP I need in those skills.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2720	Posted - 2013.05.07 01:32:00 - [2] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: I'd be against that - another respec - on principle. I'm sorry that you spent your SP poorly. You're probably a good guy (or girl) who made an honest mistake. And normally, you might be able to coax a helping hand out of someone. This, however, is New Eden. You are part of the harshest environment imaginable, where your success comes from your attention to details. You double check what each skill does before you triple check how much SP it costs you. You look at how to maximize your DPS while maintaining a high speed. And you look through the forums daily, constantly looking for another leg up on your competition. That's the world I want to live in anyway. TL;DR: I'm sorry for your mistakes, but that's just the nature of the game. There will almost certainly not be another re-allocation of skills. I skilled a decent way into the vehicle fitting skills. Tried to build a Sica, and found I was short on PG/CPU. I tried skilling further into my fitting skill to be able to create the fitting I wanted, went back, and found out that I had spend over half a million SP on skill that gave me ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THE EXTRA PG OR CPU THEY ADVERTISED. I don't know what level I need those skills at for the fittings I want. I won't know until they're fixed. But I'm pretty sure I've trained further into them than I would have if they had been working. If we don't get AT LEAST the broken skills refunded so we can skill into them AS NEEDED instead of having those points wasted, then there are problems.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2761	Posted - 2013.05.08 00:19:00 - [3] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: I skilled a decent way into the vehicle fitting skills. Tried to build a Sica, and found I was short on PG/CPU. I tried skilling further into my fitting skill to be able to create the fitting I wanted, went back, and found out that I had spend over half a million SP on skill that gave me ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THE EXTRA PG OR CPU THEY ADVERTISED. Those skills are for infantry only. You need the vehicle fitting skills. Nope. I was in the "vehicle upgrades" section skilling into the vehicle-based versions of the skills on my alt I've previously been using for tanks. I know they've separated the skills. They haven't made all of them work.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2832	Posted - 2013.05.09 05:29:00 - [4] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: @Garrett Blacknova: You have a legitimate complaint. Fortunately, it is one that is easily fixable. I don't think something as major as CPU/PG upgrades will go unnoticed. I would still caution against a full SP respec in your case, however. You have the benefit of hindsight. You purchased the skills thinking that they would work. You thought that you were going to get "+5% PG" per level. I think that your SP should stay in those skill, and those skills should be fixed. I do not think that you should get that SP back because "in retrospect, that was a mistake", largely because that's a slippery slope. Unless they just reset everyone's SP to account for every mistake, someone who feels like their mistake is valid is going to be left out. I don't think its fair to the people who didn't make any "mistakes" this time around for all of their competition to get another chance to catch up. In my eyes, its like stopping a race because one racer had a bad start. That's not exactly the problem though. I didn't get the PG that should have come from the skill. I also wasn't getting CPU from my Vehicle Electronics skill, and I trained them both up several levels BEFORE I tried fitting anything, thinking I'd be just on, or maybe a little under the level I needed them. When I saw that I still needed a lot more of both, I went and skilled into Electronics, Engineering, AND the skill which reduces CPU costs on Shield Extenders. NONE of those skills applied their bonuses. If they had been working in the first place, I wouldn't have skilled into the Shield Extender skill at all (yet), and wouldn't have invested NEARLY as much into the Electronics and Engineering skills as I ended up with. I've over-spent skills on a character who doesn't even have 2 million SP, who I was planning on running as a tank alt, but who needs some of that SP to survive on the ground first. I've thrown away SP on skills which didn't work as described, and from the sound of things, might never work as they were described when I invested into them. Saying "they just need to fix it" isn't going to help me get the over-invested SP back, and that means my character is held back even worse than I should be.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2849	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:35:00 - [5] - Quote LittleCuteBunny wrote: I doubt CCP will make another repec thhey will let people live with their decisions and some will quit, HTFU. You need at least 15 m skill points to be in a good competitive position and that's if you actually didn't put your points in the wrong place else it might take you around 18~20m total skill points a) Play, if you spent your points on crap LOL on you... prepare to rage. b) AFK, until you reach that amount c) Quit, let the passive SP do your job and see you next year Yep. It's totally a great idea to "let people live with" decisions that were based on CCP's failure to provide the correct descriptions on the skills we were training. Because skilling into something that was advertised as increasing PG when it actually reduces CPU costs on PG upgrades (and doesn't even do that properly for all of them), that's definitely our fault, and not CCP's for providing us with incorrect information.