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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:08:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Not to mention tiericide is back. Thought you learned your lesson in EvE that its a bad thing?
Example: 10X for suits plus prereq of frame skills. Amarr logi requires Amarr Med Frame V and Amarr logi V. How is that "about the same" amount of sp? Do you make a habit of lying to us this openly? (Will insert link to where ccp said suits sp cost would be similar)
You really want new/casual players to spend 6 months to get to a protosuit/weapon config? You think they are going to stick around? Oh I see your plan sell 2x/3x active boosters. Look I got my sp and Ill be good but way to screw your casual and new player base.
I get this is an mmo and you are proud of the "it takes 7 years to get all level 5s" but for ***** sake give us real content not just **** to spend SP on.
I'm looking at a screenshot of the Minmater Logi suit requirements:
1. Dropsuit Command 1 (x1 multiplier)
2. Minmater Medium Dropsuits 5 (x10 multiplier)
You are right that the skills are more intensive, but they aren't as intensive as you make out.
Also, I don't think you comprehend what tiericide is. Tiericide is the removal of "this is better than that", not the addition.
I'd also like to point out that CCP said a year ago that they were giving us an accelerated skill tree during the beta so we could test everything, and that that would be scaled back at release. You were either unaware of this, or chose to ignore. I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume you never saw this.
One last thing - your attitude is less likely to get their attention; you come across immature and as a piece of advise I would recommend you change your approach if you want to be listened to. But since I've mentioned this before, I'm sure you will just get angrier at me and ignore my attempts to improve your bad image. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:11:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I'm very upset with the Gallente Scout, it doesn't look like much for combat with only 1 high slot....this whole build is going to be very interesting, I need to get my hands on everything >_< I'm not saying they won't have their place, but they also only have 1 equipment slot, so they can't even be all that good for support....
Which scout suit are you looking at? |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:19:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Free Beers wrote:Not to mention tiericide is back. Thought you learned your lesson in EvE that its a bad thing?
Example: 10X for suits plus prereq of frame skills. Amarr logi requires Amarr Med Frame V and Amarr logi V. How is that "about the same" amount of sp? Do you make a habit of lying to us this openly? (Will insert link to where ccp said suits sp cost would be similar)
You really want new/casual players to spend 6 months to get to a protosuit/weapon config? You think they are going to stick around? Oh I see your plan sell 2x/3x active boosters. Look I got my sp and Ill be good but way to screw your casual and new player base.
I get this is an mmo and you are proud of the "it takes 7 years to get all level 5s" but for ***** sake give us real content not just **** to spend SP on. I'm looking at a screenshot of the Minmater Logi suit requirements: 1. Dropsuit Command 1 (x1 multiplier) 2. Minmater Medium Dropsuits 5 (x10 multiplier) It's 1. Dropsuit Command (1x multiplier) 2. Minmatar Medium Frame (unknown multiplier) 3. Minmatar Logistics (10x multiplier)
You're right - I was looking at the skill book, not the suit. Good catch.
As I'm going through this video, I don't see a skill requirement screen for any of the suits. Can you tell me the time marker where you see this? Or did you see this somewhere else that I missed?
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:21:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote: accelerated This is accelerated?  
It was compared to what it will be after Uprising comes out, yes. Also, this "3x bonus" we are getting now used to be the standard. Accelerated. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:26:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I'm very upset with the Gallente Scout, it doesn't look like much for combat with only 1 high slot....this whole build is going to be very interesting, I need to get my hands on everything >_< I'm not saying they won't have their place, but they also only have 1 equipment slot, so they can't even be all that good for support.... Which scout suit are you looking at? Scout gk.0 (prototype)I'm not sure if it starts at the right time, go to 14:10 if it doesn't start you there or near there
Ick!
That said, it does have 4 low slots... I'm thinking this is meant to have a low signature to get behind enemy lines. Wonder what the bonuses on it are, and if they are designed around infiltration of this nature. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:29:00 -
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:30:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Getting the full item sheet is vital I think. The more quickly you guys can get the item sheet the better the community can get to working with real numbers. The SP sink is a big issue as well.
This.
As for the SP sink, I don't like it, but I don't think it's game breaking. As I said, it's more in line with what CCP has done with Eve. Just look at the requirements to get into the higher tech levels (here is the Muninn for example). The medium frame skill may only need to be 3, just like Spaceship Command is level 3 here (not to mention the other skills - engineering 5, mechanic 5, weapon upgrades 5, which CCP did eliminate for Dust stating they didn't like having multiple skill trees for one item). Assuming it is a level 5 requirement does nothing but rile up the community. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:32:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:As I'm going through this video, I don't see a skill requirement screen for any of the suits. Can you tell me the time marker where you see this? Or did you see this somewhere else that I missed? 9:42
This shows the skill book not the suit; also it doesn't show the medium frame being required (as I mentioned before). Notice he navigated to the skill tree at this point in the video.
EDIT: Check the prerequisites page; this is the defining page (or should be) not the layout of the skill tree. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:34:00 -
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mollerz wrote:While it is true there is more to skill up- it seems, as in eve, you get bonuses for each level.
Like the The Minmatar scout gets +5% to melee AND nova knives as well as +5% dampening (i think) per level.
So pretty cool anyways.
This is also a nice thing to offset the higher requirements - now you get bonuses based on these so it's not just about getting the SP to use something - higher skills make the lower level items better. I think many people are overlooking this which in my mind offsets the fact that you have to have more intensive skills to get into something to begin with. This means that when you get into a higher level suit, it is inherently better than the stats listed because you are getting additional bonuses for the skills (not just what the show info says). |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:40:00 -
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In summary, I think people here are over reacting from limited information instead of waiting to see what we are actually getting and how it impacts gameplay.
I suspect you will find that your Type II assault suits are a bit better given the suit bonuses derived just from the requirements to field the Type II suit, not to mention the extra bonuses you get when you are working to the Type B or Type vk.1 suits. This means the higher tier will be more powerful in the long run, as will these suits. This adds a larger spread in effectiveness from the militia to the type I's to the type II's, etc.
Remember the nerf that everyone hated about 6 months or so ago? They are giving us a buff. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:42:00 -
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Khamelaya wrote:From what I can see from the video. To run a prototype dropsuit like the one you have now will still take the same amount of training. The drop suits we have now are not role based, just frames. Those appear to be turning in to the basic drop suits.
See how under Light, it has Basic and Scout. Under Medium it has Basic, Assault and Logistic.
To use a gallant basic light dropsuit would require
Dropsuit Command 1
Gallente Light Dropsuits V
So to use the exact same dropsuit you have access to know, requires the exact same amount of skills. (Assuming that Gallente Light Dropsuits V is x8 much like skill previously required.)
Then to use the Gallente Scout Dropsuit, which has additional role bonuses, you will need to train an additional skill:
Gallente Scout Dropsuits
To level 5 to use prototypes.
They have't taken anything away, just given us more gear and better gear than we have currently. The new better gear will require new skills to be trained, but since that gear doesn't exist now, you're not loosing anything.
This is also true - remember how everyone was asking what they got for dropsuit 5, and how it unlocked speciality suits? Where here you go boys. Enjoy.
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:49:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Khamelaya wrote:From what I can see from the video. To run a prototype dropsuit like the one you have now will still take the same amount of training. The drop suits we have now are not role based, just frames. Those appear to be turning in to the basic drop suits.
See how under Light, it has Basic and Scout. Under Medium it has Basic, Assault and Logistic.
To use a gallant basic light dropsuit would require
Dropsuit Command 1
Gallente Light Dropsuits V
So to use the exact same dropsuit you have access to know, requires the exact same amount of skills. (Assuming that Gallente Light Dropsuits V is x8 much like skill previously required.)
Then to use the Gallente Scout Dropsuit, which has additional role bonuses, you will need to train an additional skill:
Gallente Scout Dropsuits
To level 5 to use prototypes.
They have't taken anything away, just given us more gear and better gear than we have currently. The new better gear will require new skills to be trained, but since that gear doesn't exist now, you're not loosing anything. Wrong. There are no Basic Logistics suits. All the Medium Frame Basic suits looks to be Assault.
They are not assault or Logistics looks like - they are just Medium with no role specified according to the definition. That means you can make it into whatever you want based on how you fit them. I'm guessing they don't have skill bonuses. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:51:00 -
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Also noticed that there are prototype versions of the basic suits - I'm guessing the skill requirements for these are lower than the specialized suits.
Upside people - more suits, more roles, more bonuses. Specialized suits take more SP; what we have now doesn't. Win-win. |
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