In Jenza vid you can see the stats of the Amarr Heavy she uses @ around 9:16. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RjMwiqmBs1o

Shields 651

Armor 886

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a slight HP buff?

Either that or they added extra slots. So can anyone confirm / deny this?

bare in mind that these characters had all skills at lv 5

I can hear the "OMG! Nerfz Heaviez!" threads being furiously typed now.

Prepare your bodies for another heavy infestation. 4 heavies 2 logis = unstoppable.

unless they nerfed the HMG, it's GG heavies. you won the game.

lol, we heavies will just go hulk mode on them and tell em to shove it where the sun don't shine

I can hear the "OMG! Nerfz Heaviez!" threads being furiously typed now.

lol, we heavies will just go hulk mode on them and tell em to shove it where the sun don't shine

That is good. Now we won't have to swim across the river of fat boy tears that were drowning these forums daily with their they are so UP posts. Was getting quite sick of those.

IMAGINE THE CALDARI HEAVY!

Unless they took my advice and made heavies suspectable to AV weapons.

Flux Grenade!

ah don't forget the hundreds of "HEAVIES ARE OP!!! QQ" threads...

hahahaha AV weapons? Not sure if serious.

lol, we heavies will just go hulk mode on them and tell em to shove it where the sun don't shine

True, but even maxed out heavies now can't reach this amount of HP.

Did you try out the HMG's? How was the effective range on it?

hahahaha AV weapons? Not sure if serious.

Remember when heavies had that huge HP pool before the nerf? My suggestion was that they go back to that but allow stuff like AV nades' and swarm launchers target them with scaled down damage. It would have been a good counter while making more people spec into AV so tanks didn't have to get nerfed. Despite my forum trolling, I'm a strong advocate against nerfing unless it's something game breaking like sharpshooter.

Well when they can get over 1000 total HP in a type2 with a strong gun that has the range of a sniper rifle and accuracy of a AR ya I wouldn't call it QQ more like just stating a fact. Than some of you fat boys go around saying how they are so UP yet it's one of the popular suits in the game. If some noob is being attacked and he is by a Supply it's 9-10 the Heavy suit he switches to. Why would he switch to the "weakest UP suit of Dust" That's a Checkm8 we playin Chess.

hm.. yea AV nades should work on something with that much hp. that's more then a free fit lav

That is good. Now we won't have to swim across the river of fat boy tears that were drowning these forums daily with their they are so UP posts. Was getting quite sick of those.

Watch out!
Even if my suggestion is in 20/20 hindsight, it's an idea. Unless you have a better suggestion than posting quotes from movies in 1992, (damn, I saw that one in theaters) by all means... suggest a counter argument.

That is good. Now we won't have to swim across the river of fat boy tears that were drowning these forums daily with their they are so UP posts. Was getting quite sick of those.

Oh no take away my nerd card.

Cry hard enough ya might get a buff..Noted.

Wow fail again... I corrected it for you. I see you can't even get a quote right..SMFH.

You're welcome.

And you of all people should know about crying huh?! I can tell you were among the many crying about heavies. Well we got buffed, so I guess i'll be seeing you a couple weeks right here back to crying again.

Crying no. I just understood where the players were coming from. There is like 5-6 Heavies every single game, not bad for a UP suit.

Crying no. I just understood where the players were coming from. There is like 5-6 Heavies every single game, not bad for a UP suit.

Perhaps maybe if ya put the time in your gun game as you do in the forums ya might not have had to cry in the first place. You possibly (and I stress that cause doubtful) could of been one of the heavies that are actually good and didn't need the buff to be relevant in this game.

If you're going to make speccing into heavy suits expensive in both SP and ISK, then make them worth the time/money.

A general principle that should really apply across all things in this game. It would have been nice to see the suit that jenza (or whomever) in action to see what it could withstand.

Who else is hoping for 2000hp?

Then we'll be back to months ago with all the QQ HEAVIES ARE OP threads.

Well when they can get over 1000 total HP in a type2 with a strong gun that has the range of a sniper rifle and accuracy of a AR ya I wouldn't call it QQ more like just stating a fact. Than some of you fat boys go around saying how they are so UP yet it's one of the popular suits in the game. If some noob is being attacked and he is by a Supply it's 9-10 the Heavy suit he switches to. Why would he switch to the "weakest UP suit of Dust" That's a Checkm8 we playin Chess.

You don't have any idea what you're talking about, do you?

Shotgun isn't looking so bad at this point.

[quote=Lance 2ballzStrong]hm.. yea AV nades should work on something with that much hp. that's more then a free fit lav

That is good. Now we won't have to swim across the river of fat boy tears that were drowning these forums daily with their they are so UP posts. Was getting quite sick of those.

that is a huge amount of HP for a single person walking around.

Remember when heavies had that huge HP pool before the nerf? My suggestion was that they go back to that but allow stuff like AV nades' and swarm launchers target them with scaled down damage. It would have been a good counter while making more people spec into AV so tanks didn't have to get nerfed. Despite my forum trolling, I'm a strong advocate against nerfing unless it's something game breaking like sharpshooter.

as it should be

sorry wasn't finished typing.. the darn forum likes to save halve of what I type and post that.
but should a person be able to take a anti-vehicle round and still have more HP then some scouts start with?

Do you guys know why there are so many heavies in pubs? because there is three other classes filled with scrubs and glass cannon suit designs running toward them in a straight line. its bloated vet heavy egos and given blueberry heavies a false sense of security. we are not a competitive suit at the proto level, we really need support to help us shine. which is fine, I just want to know why im spending double to tripple in isk and sp but dont see more preformance.

Do you guys know why there are so many heavies in pubs? because there is three other classes filled with scrubs and glass cannon suit designs running toward them in a straight line. its bloated vet heavy egos and given blueberry heavies a false sense of security. we are not a competitive suit at the proto level, we really need support to help us shine. which is fine, I just want to know why im spending double to tripple in isk and sp but dont see more preformance.

sorry wasn't finished typing.. the darn forum likes to save halve of what I type and post that.
but should a person be able to take a anti-vehicle round and still have more HP then some scouts start with?

becauyse it's an ammar suit and ****.

(new conclusion after reading over all the stuff about ammar ships in EVE, seems CCP shafts the ammar whenever they can)

Careful now, bringing logic into DUST forums is something that is frowned upon lol

But yea, I agree 100% with you, and also add, while heavies need support, Assault players don't...funny how someone with lower HP don't need the same support as someone with 1000+ HP...huh.

I heard the price of suits were lowered, but I've yet to see confirmation from CCP about it.

lol, that will bring a lynch mob of assault suit down on you

I love it when heavies come together :D *warmfuzzies*

well, who else would stick up for us?


it's us and a few dedicated logi-pets against the seething masses of skilless Assault suit users who desire to be able to 1v1 everything with an AR

whats wrong is im ok with heavies with 1200~ hp but 1400~ is way to much but that extra 200 hp matters.

1400 would be a godsend, have you SEEN the flaylocks stats?!?!

if the laser rifle got nerfed, all the viziam using pricks will be switching to it as it's ANOTHER "i win" button against heavies

They should be able to stand toe-to-toe with a HAV, in fact, HAV's and Heavies are the only things that should have a snowballs chance in hell of 1v1ing a Heavy.

Increase armor tank to 1000STD-1500ADV-2000PRO and decrease movement so that they are just barely mobile (same speed as now if they go full CKC in the lows)

used to be that way, then AR guys QQ'd because the couldn't solo kill everything, and since then, every new build has meant another nerf to the heavy.


for the SP and isk requirments, it should dominate the field, we put more time, money, and dedication into the heavy suit then anyone other then HAV drivers, yet we are the most hated on and nerfed class out there

Well, I fully agree that they shouldn't be 1v1'd by anything other than a HAV or another Heavy.

Though they shouldn't have anywhere near the mobility I've seen some of them with, they should move like a stump when not in a vehicle or as I've said before "a semi-mobile bollard"

used to be that way, then AR guys QQ'd because the couldn't solo kill everything, and since then, every new build has meant another nerf to the heavy.


for the SP and isk requirments, it should dominate the field, we put more time, money, and dedication into the heavy suit then anyone other then HAV drivers, yet we are the most hated on and nerfed class out there

They should be able to stand toe-to-toe with a HAV, in fact, HAV's and Heavies are the only things that should have a snowballs chance in hell of 1v1ing a Heavy.

Increase armor tank to 1000STD-1500ADV-2000PRO and decrease movement so that they are just barely mobile (same speed as now if they go full CKC in the lows)

They should be able to stand toe-to-toe with a HAV, in fact, HAV's and Heavies are the only things that should have a snowballs chance in hell of 1v1ing a Heavy.

Increase armor tank to 1000STD-1500ADV-2000PRO and decrease movement so that they are just barely mobile (same speed as now if they go full CKC in the lows)

mid level rails do over 1400 damage per that's a one shot on any heavy so say what!? toe to toe it falls way short and heavies are not meant to go toe to toe with HAVs. if a person can go toe to toe with a tank then the game isn't meant for multiplayer game play its a solo game. heavies are meant to guard areas and take some small arms fire.

No other classification of personal armor can claim to be able to stand toe-to-toe with enemy vehicles and survive.

I never understood that. In the dev posts said that the game rewards you for specializing, but anyone who isn't a shield tanking AR humper gets the nerf bat. Heavies got good at what they were doing until those ADHD CoD ******s cried, tanks dominated because they were to lazy to spec into AV so militia missiles and AV 'nades got a huge buff, and my beloved Mass Driver is probably next since it's going to be more reliable now that the splash damage glitch is fixed. You don't keep players by punishing them for playing your game the correct way.

~backinmydaytalk~

As a matter of fact, back during he very first build of the closed beta, I think balance was at its closest to being perfect.

Heavies were literal tanks, tanks were feared, assaults were fast and capable, scouts were lightning bolts...

The game was much faster and intense, heavies had to be chipped away at and avoided in CQC, but the scout could fly in nimbly and jam a shotgun into his face and finish him off quick, and assaults always had an interesting gun dance with the higher health and faster strafe.

Iwosh we would go back to that high intensity model, with high stats for everything depending on its role...

As a matter of fact, back during he very first build of the closed beta, I think balance was at its closest to being perfect.

Heavies were literal tanks, tanks were feared, assaults were fast and capable, scouts were lightning bolts...

The game was much faster and intense, heavies had to be chipped away at and avoided in CQC, but the scout could fly in nimbly and jam a shotgun into his face and finish him off quick, and assaults always had an interesting gun dance with the higher health and faster strafe.

Iwosh we would go back to that high intensity model, with high stats for everything depending on its role...

As a matter of fact, back during he very first build of the closed beta, I think balance was at its closest to being perfect.

Heavies were literal tanks, tanks were feared, assaults were fast and capable, scouts were lightning bolts...

The game was much faster and intense, heavies had to be chipped away at and avoided in CQC, but the scout could fly in nimbly and jam a shotgun into his face and finish him off quick, and assaults always had an interesting gun dance with the higher health and faster strafe.

Iwosh we would go back to that high intensity model, with high stats for everything depending on its role...

As a matter of fact, back during he very first build of the closed beta, I think balance was at its closest to being perfect.

Heavies were literal tanks, tanks were feared, assaults were fast and capable, scouts were lightning bolts...

The game was much faster and intense, heavies had to be chipped away at and avoided in CQC, but the scout could fly in nimbly and jam a shotgun into his face and finish him off quick, and assaults always had an interesting gun dance with the higher health and faster strafe.

Iwosh we would go back to that high intensity model, with high stats for everything depending on its role...

Apparently even CCP thinks that the Heavy shouldn't be 1v1'd by less than a HAV (if that).

but people actually had to think and get a niche in the game in stead of skillin into AR assault "i win"

we all know we can't have that without twitch playing scrubs bitching and moaning

you know there are more vehicles then just HAVs. let me brake this down for you.
LAVs even proto have a really tough time with MLT tanks just living. LAV and heavy yea sure they as somewhat on par. LAV proto vs STD HAV are you going to bet that the LAV is going to win and actually kill the HAV? if so they i would love for you to take my HAV on with a LAV for 100mil ISK.

meh they are the bigger combat threat in the vehicle chain but toe to toe with a LAV turret yea they stand a chance, toe to toe with the Large turret of a HAV your insane.

See? That's the game that was advertised to me, not this rambo on crack run and gun, take 3-shots and your dead crap that it's turning into. This is supposed to be a strafing shooter, a thinking man's game. If I didn't want to think, I'd go and play CoD even though I'm old enough to be those kids' fathers.

But what about that awkward circling dance of spraying/reloading and repeat thing?

Lol.

Good idea!

i read about CCP making a FPS shooter in the EVE universe and thought "limitless possibilites and a shitton of different ways to kill things"

the CoD guys arrived in the open beta and it was downhill from there

WAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I CAN"T KILL A BATTLESHIP IN MY CRUISER!!!!! CCP NERF BATTLESHIPS!!!! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO KILL A BATTLESHIP SOLO WITHOUT RELOADING AT ALL!!!!!

QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ I'M NOT GOING TO STOP THE QQ UNTIL YOU NERF BATTLESHIPS INTO THE GROUND CCP, NERFHAMMER THEM NAO!!!!1!!!!!!!ONE!!!11!!!ELEVEN!!!!!11111!!!!

GET IT?


What do you think CCP's response to this post would've been?

I think heavies should be able to survive just about anything 1v1 (except SG scouts) within the HMG's optimal range short of a small blaster turret mounted LAV, but be able to easily got down to 2-3 infantry depending on their weapons.

so a shotgun does more DPS then large blaster turret or more per shot damage then a large rail turret? if so i want that shotgun really bad.

I'm not sure what the damage multiplier for the shotgun is for body or headshots, but it has to be something ungodly to get instagibbed by a one at point blank. Scouts were supposed to be the counter to heavies anyway, but the speed nerf killed any chance of that. If anything knives might work out since the look actually usable in uprising.

becauyse it's an ammar suit and ****.

(new conclusion after reading over all the stuff about ammar ships in EVE, seems CCP shafts the ammar whenever they can)

I think heavies should be able to survive just about anything 1v1 (except SG scouts) within the HMG's optimal range short of a small blaster turret mounted LAV, but be able to easily got down to 2-3 infantry depending on their weapons.

This is silly.

You basically create a situation in that there is now no reason to run anything besides heavies, because you would need to run 32 v 16 heavies.

The obvious solution is to then just match them in heavies. Welcome to Heavy 514.

They heavy should always be a situational role and clearly be punished outside of its limited role.

Well when they can get over 1000 total HP in a type2 with a strong gun that has the range of a sniper rifle and accuracy of a AR ya I wouldn't call it QQ more like just stating a fact. Than some of you fat boys go around saying how they are so UP yet it's one of the popular suits in the game. If some noob is being attacked and he is by a Supply it's 9-10 the Heavy suit he switches to. Why would he switch to the "weakest UP suit of Dust" That's a Checkm8 we playin Chess.

hm.. yea AV nades should work on something with that much hp. that's more then a free fit lav

This is silly.

You basically create a situation in that there is now no reason to run anything besides heavies, because you would need to run 32 v 16 heavies.

The obvious solution is to then just match them in heavies. Welcome to Heavy 514.

They heavy should always be a situational role and clearly be punished outside of its limited role.

Rejoice my Heavy brothers and sisters!!!

Once more we shall be feared on the battlefield!

Like the times of legend in Replication the shriek of our HMG's will send shivers down the spine of anyone foolish enough to come into close range. I will no longer stand fast behind cover, I will march unto the breach and visit destruction upon our enemies.

The reaper will sail on a river of tears by our hands and the QQing will fall on deaf ears as for the last 6 months the nerfhammer has been brought to bear on the Heavy. But we endured my brethren we held the line, we stood against the HAV's, we marched over the deadmans land under the threat of Viziams and Redliners and we would not go quietly!!!

Terror is returning to the battle and it is THE HEAVY!!!!

Snagman 313

I will be playing in mililtia until they add the Gallante heavy dropsuit and save my SP. I will surely miss my forge gun and heavy machine gun. Hope it wont be too long before the rest of the heavy dropsuits are added.

You'll be lucky to get it by the end of 2014

CCP's idea of SoonGäó = 4-6 months

You are probably right, will go for a Gallente logi instead and forget about the heavy for now, have been playing exclusively heavy until today. It is about time I try something different and I cannot skill into the Amar heavy again now that I know a Gallente heavy will be implemented soonGäó

In Jenza vid you can see the stats of the Amarr Heavy she uses @ around 9:16. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RjMwiqmBs1o

Shields 651

Armor 886

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a slight HP buff?

Either that or they added extra slots. So can anyone confirm / deny this?

In Jenza vid you can see the stats of the Amarr Heavy she uses @ around 9:16. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RjMwiqmBs1o

Shields 651

Armor 886

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a slight HP buff?

Either that or they added extra slots. So can anyone confirm / deny this?

I welcome the buff. It'll be nice to actually not be at a disadvantage against proto assault users in a 1v1.

Umm I've not read this entire thread (not enough time) but alot of people say that the heavy will be balanced out because of the range nerf to HMGs. My question is what if the heavy uses an AR? have you thought of that? Have you heard of the Commando suit? It's a heavy suit that removes the heavy weapon slot and replaces it with two light weapon slots so dual ARs are possible. But I believe CCP will make sure this is Balanced enough. Heavies = Badasses

Might be just me but the HMG seems to run out of ammo slower than the AR (I know one has a much bigger ammo load but I mean in terms of over time). The AR I quickly run out and need a supply source, I think it's also why so many people run hives currently it seems.

Also the Commando suit is currently SoonTM is my understanding

True, but even maxed out heavies now can't reach this amount of HP.

Did you try out the HMG's? How was the effective range on it?

6 months ago? yes. today? lol, don't make me laugh. a single assault can kill a heavy if he stacked enough damage mods and has light weapon sharpshooter