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Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 212	Posted - 2013.04.30 21:17:00 - [1] - Quote I can hear the "OMG! Nerfz Heaviez!" threads being furiously typed now.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 213	Posted - 2013.04.30 21:23:00 - [2] - Quote Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: Cosgar wrote: I can hear the "OMG! Nerfz Heaviez!" threads being furiously typed now. lol, we heavies will just go hulk mode on them and tell em to shove it where the sun don't shine Unless they took my advice and made heavies suspectable to AV weapons.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 213	Posted - 2013.04.30 21:26:00 - [3] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: IMAGINE THE CALDARI HEAVY! Flux Grenade!
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 214	Posted - 2013.04.30 21:30:00 - [4] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Cosgar wrote: Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: Cosgar wrote: I can hear the "OMG! Nerfz Heaviez!" threads being furiously typed now. lol, we heavies will just go hulk mode on them and tell em to shove it where the sun don't shine Unless they took my advice and made heavies suspectable to AV weapons. hahahaha AV weapons? Not sure if serious. Remember when heavies had that huge HP pool before the nerf? My suggestion was that they go back to that but allow stuff like AV nades' and swarm launchers target them with scaled down damage. It would have been a good counter while making more people spec into AV so tanks didn't have to get nerfed. Despite my forum trolling, I'm a strong advocate against nerfing unless it's something game breaking like sharpshooter.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 214	Posted - 2013.04.30 21:39:00 - [5] - Quote mikegunnz wrote: My thoughts Watch out! Even if my suggestion is in 20/20 hindsight, it's an idea. Unless you have a better suggestion than posting quotes from movies in 1992, (damn, I saw that one in theaters) by all means... suggest a counter argument.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 217	Posted - 2013.04.30 22:12:00 - [6] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: _______________________________ ^ can't even quote right. GG to you. Oh no take away my nerd card. Cry hard enough ya might get a buff..Noted. Wow fail again... I corrected it for you. I see you can't even get a quote right..SMFH. You're welcome. And you of all people should know about crying huh?! I can tell you were among the many crying about heavies. Well we got buffed, so I guess i'll be seeing you a couple weeks right here back to crying again. Crying no. I just understood where the players were coming from. There is like 5-6 Heavies every single game, not bad for a UP suit. Perhaps maybe if ya put the time in your gun game as you do in the forums ya might not have had to cry in the first place. You possibly (and I stress that cause doubtful) could of been one of the heavies that are actually good and didn't need the buff to be relevant in this game. Now that sharpshooting is gone, you'll have to work on your gun game too instead of praying and spraying across the map with stacked damage mods. Might have to invest in some shield extenders too since the person you're shooting at will be in range to shoot back. Just be sure to watch out for those flux grenades... and scrambler rifles.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 226	Posted - 2013.04.30 23:07:00 - [7] - Quote Polish Hammer wrote: If you're going to make speccing into heavy suits expensive in both SP and ISK, then make them worth the time/money. A general principle that should really apply across all things in this game. It would have been nice to see the suit that jenza (or whomever) in action to see what it could withstand. Didn't see a lot of people getting 3-shotted, so that HP pool might actually be useful instead of going down faster than a white house intern.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 227	Posted - 2013.04.30 23:43:00 - [8] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: MassiveNine wrote: Who else is hoping for 2000hp? Then we'll be back to months ago with all the QQ HEAVIES ARE OP threads. At least this time it'll fall on deaf ears like it should have the first time!
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 233	Posted - 2013.05.01 00:31:00 - [9] - Quote ladwar wrote: Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: ladwar wrote: that is a huge amount of HP for a single person walking around. as it should be sorry wasn't finished typing.. the darn forum likes to save halve of what I type and post that. but should a person be able to take a anti-vehicle round and still have more HP then some scouts start with? Heavies were meant to be able to go to-to-toe with vehicles and lead charges, but all the little AR **ies right out of CoD want to be able to solo everything and they got nerfed to laughable levels. Now that they're going back to that to a degree. (suppsedly they're getting a damage reduction passive too) Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: becauyse it's an ammar suit and **. (new conclusion after reading over all the stuff about ammar ships in EVE, seems CCP shafts the ammar whenever they can) Yeah, and we all know how Amarr are all about their shield tanking
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 233	Posted - 2013.05.01 00:35:00 - [10] - Quote Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Do you guys know why there are so many heavies in pubs? because there is three other classes filled with scrubs and glass cannon suit designs running toward them in a straight line. its bloated vet heavy egos and given blueberry heavies a false sense of security. we are not a competitive suit at the proto level, we really need support to help us shine. which is fine, I just want to know why im spending double to tripple in isk and sp but dont see more preformance. Careful now, bringing logic into DUST forums is something that is frowned upon lol But yea, I agree 100% with you, and also add, while heavies need support, Assault players don't...funny how someone with lower HP don't need the same support as someone with 1000+ HP...huh. I heard the price of suits were lowered, but I've yet to see confirmation from CCP about it. lol, that will bring a lynch mob of assault suit down on you Nah, they're too busy foaming at the mouth over the AR range "nerf." (shhhh, don't tell them it's not a nerf. I like watching them squirm)

Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 236	Posted - 2013.05.01 01:09:00 - [11] - Quote Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: ladwar wrote: Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: Polish Hammer wrote: I love it when heavies come together :D warmfuzzies well, who else would stick up for us? it's us and a few dedicated logi-pets against the seething masses of skilless Assault suit users who desire to be able to 1v1 everything with an AR whats wrong is im ok with heavies with 1200~ hp but 1400~ is way to much but that extra 200 hp matters. 1400 would be a godsend, have you SEEN the flaylocks stats?!?! if the laser rifle got nerfed, all the viziam using pricks will be switching to it as it's ANOTHER "i win" button against heavies Flaylock shmaylock, they're still going to have to come within your optimal range to use the thing. Laser is supposed to be EM like the scrambler rifle, so unless you're a Caldari (and possibly Minmatar) fatty, you can take it and laugh. Also, LW SS is gone, so no more laser sniping campers.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 236	Posted - 2013.05.01 01:16:00 - [12] - Quote Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: They should be able to stand toe-to-toe with a HAV, in fact, HAV's and Heavies are the only things that should have a snowballs chance in hell of 1v1ing a Heavy. Increase armor tank to 1000STD-1500ADV-2000PRO and decrease movement so that they are just barely mobile (same speed as now if they go full CKC in the lows) used to be that way, then AR guys QQ'd because the couldn't solo kill everything, and since then, every new build has meant another nerf to the heavy. for the SP and isk requirments, it should dominate the field, we put more time, money, and dedication into the heavy suit then anyone other then HAV drivers, yet we are the most hated on and nerfed class out there I never understood that. In the dev posts said that the game rewards you for specializing, but anyone who isn't a shield tanking AR humper gets the nerf bat. Heavies got good at what they were doing until those ADHD CoD ******s cried, tanks dominated because they were to lazy to spec into AV so militia missiles and AV 'nades got a huge buff, and my beloved Mass Driver is probably next since it's going to be more reliable now that the splash damage glitch is fixed. You don't keep players by punishing them for playing your game the correct way.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 237	Posted - 2013.05.01 01:25:00 - [13] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: They should be able to stand toe-to-toe with a HAV, in fact, HAV's and Heavies are the only things that should have a snowballs chance in hell of 1v1ing a Heavy. Increase armor tank to 1000STD-1500ADV-2000PRO and decrease movement so that they are just barely mobile (same speed as now if they go full CKC in the lows) As a matter of fact, back during he very first build of the closed beta, I think balance was at its closest to being perfect. Heavies were literal tanks, tanks were feared, assaults were fast and capable, scouts were lightning bolts... The game was much faster and intense, heavies had to be chipped away at and avoided in CQC, but the scout could fly in nimbly and jam a shotgun into his face and finish him off quick, and assaults always had an interesting gun dance with the higher health and faster strafe. Iwosh we would go back to that high intensity model, with high stats for everything depending on its role... Exactly what I said, you get to good and they nerf you.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 238	Posted - 2013.05.01 01:40:00 - [14] - Quote Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: but people actually had to think and get a niche in the game in stead of skillin into AR assault "i win" we all know we can't have that without twitch playing scrubs bitching and moaning See? That's the game that was advertised to me, not this rambo on crack run and gun, take 3-shots and your dead crap that it's turning into. This is supposed to be a strafing shooter, a thinking man's game. If I didn't want to think, I'd go and play CoD even though I'm old enough to be those kids' fathers.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 238	Posted - 2013.05.01 02:07:00 - [15] - Quote ladwar wrote: meh they are the bigger combat threat in the vehicle chain but toe to toe with a LAV turret yea they stand a chance, toe to toe with the Large turret of a HAV your insane. I think heavies should be able to survive just about anything 1v1 (except SG scouts) within the HMG's optimal range short of a small blaster turret mounted LAV, but be able to easily got down to 2-3 infantry depending on their weapons.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 241	Posted - 2013.05.01 02:32:00 - [16] - Quote Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: Cosgar wrote: Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: but people actually had to think and get a niche in the game in stead of skillin into AR assault "i win" we all know we can't have that without twitch playing scrubs bitching and moaning See? That's the game that was advertised to me, not this rambo on crack run and gun, take 3-shots and your dead crap that it's turning into. This is supposed to be a strafing shooter, a thinking man's game. If I didn't want to think, I'd go and play CoD even though I'm old enough to be those kids' fathers. i read about CCP making a FPS shooter in the EVE universe and thought "limitless possibilites and a shitton of different ways to kill things" the CoD guys arrived in the open beta and it was downhill from there Exactly what I was worried about when I first heard of Dust back in 2009. The first thing that went through my head was "Is the console fanbase mature enough to handle an FPS in the EVE universe?" Guess the answer was a big fat **** no. CCP needs to stop appealing to these scrubs and make the game they intended. Not this middle of the road crap.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 242	Posted - 2013.05.01 03:10:00 - [17] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: WAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! I CAN"T KILL A BATTLESHIP IN MY CRUISER!!!!! CCP NERF BATTLESHIPS!!!! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO KILL A BATTLESHIP SOLO WITHOUT RELOADING AT ALL!!!!! QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ I'M NOT GOING TO STOP THE QQ UNTIL YOU NERF BATTLESHIPS INTO THE GROUND CCP, NERFHAMMER THEM NAO!!!!1!!!!!!!ONE!!!11!!!ELEVEN!!!!!11111!!!! GET IT? What do you think CCP's response to this post would've been? I can tell you what it should've been. But what really happened? .....
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 242	Posted - 2013.05.01 03:20:00 - [18] - Quote ladwar wrote: Cosgar wrote: ladwar wrote: meh they are the bigger combat threat in the vehicle chain but toe to toe with a LAV turret yea they stand a chance, toe to toe with the Large turret of a HAV your insane. I think heavies should be able to survive just about anything 1v1 (except SG scouts) within the HMG's optimal range short of a small blaster turret mounted LAV, but be able to easily got down to 2-3 infantry depending on their weapons. so a shotgun does more DPS then large blaster turret or more per shot damage then a large rail turret? if so i want that shotgun really bad. I'm not sure what the damage multiplier for the shotgun is for body or headshots, but it has to be something ungodly to get instagibbed by a one at point blank. Scouts were supposed to be the counter to heavies anyway, but the speed nerf killed any chance of that. If anything knives might work out since the look actually usable in uprising.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 244	Posted - 2013.05.01 04:11:00 - [19] - Quote Cruor Abominare wrote: Cosgar wrote: ladwar wrote: meh they are the bigger combat threat in the vehicle chain but toe to toe with a LAV turret yea they stand a chance, toe to toe with the Large turret of a HAV your insane. I think heavies should be able to survive just about anything 1v1 (except SG scouts) within the HMG's optimal range short of a small blaster turret mounted LAV, but be able to easily got down to 2-3 infantry depending on their weapons. This is silly. You basically create a situation in that there is now no reason to run anything besides heavies, because you would need to run 32 v 16 heavies. The obvious solution is to then just match them in heavies. Welcome to Heavy 514. They heavy should always be a situational role and clearly be punished outside of its limited role. Have you seen the range on the HMG without SS? That's pretty much what it's going to be after uprising. If you use cover and have another decently equipped guy with you, it shouldn't be a problem since this is a team based game and all that. If they got you cornered, well, you better have your new fitting ready.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 249	Posted - 2013.05.01 07:17:00 - [20] - Quote Better buy stock in Preparation-H, there's going to be a lot of butthurt on May 14th.

Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 251	Posted - 2013.05.01 08:35:00 - [21] - Quote Almost got me pumped enough to play heavy.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 251	Posted - 2013.05.01 09:01:00 - [22] - Quote You'll be lucky to get it by the end of 2014
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 380	Posted - 2013.05.03 08:39:00 - [23] - Quote Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: 6 months ago? yes. today? lol, don't make me laugh. a single assault can kill a heavy if he stacked enough damage mods and has light weapon sharpshooter FTFY