Here is the direct quote:

"We currently have no plans to reset your characters' skill points to a state where they are equivalent to a newly created character, barring something catastrophic."

So yes, if something catastrophic happens, they can completely wipe SP.

for everytime i die due to a bug, dont you think im entitled to have my aurum refunded without an sp reset?
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Reset =/= wipe. In any other MMO type games you refer to respecing as resetting your skill points. Not 'deleting' them from use ever again. If we have to play the parse every word CCP ever says, then there's no point listening to them at all. Then words clarifying words will come months later and themselves be ambiguous. How can anyone trust that to make appropriate decisions with their time or money?

Ughh we're not talking simple SP reset here, this is a complete character wipe. Assets, SP, Scores, even your name, it all gets deleted, that's how it's been done so far. You'de only get to keep event items and Aur.

Reset =/= wipe. In any other MMO type games you refer to respecing as resetting your skill points. Not 'deleting' them from use ever again. If we have to play the parse every word CCP ever says, then there's no point listening to them at all. Then words clarifying words will come months later and themselves be ambiguous. How can anyone trust that to make appropriate decisions with their time or money?

For the love of Kittens lock it already

There is so much mis-information here its stupid

I realize the difference. However, they have made the distinction between a wipe/reset and a reallocation. This quote was a direct response to people asking if they were going to lose their SP like in previous beta build resets when the game launched.

If their term reset means to wipe all player data including name isk and assets, then it was used incorrectly in conjunction with the sentence "to reset your characters' skill points to a state where they are equivalent to a newly created character".

So on which account were they wrong?

This quote says:

"We currently have no plans to reset your characters' skill points to a state where they are equivalent to a newly created character, barring something catastrophic."

Resetting my character's SP (retains the character),
to a state equal to having created a new character (No longer having any SP allocated into any skill),
will only happen if there is something catastrophic.

See? Assets are are not part of this, nor BPO, Nor ISK, Nor character name.
The only grey area (which would be scummy at best) is what happens to the SP that is taken out of your skills.

The ONLY thing stated here for logical certainty is that they MAY have to remove SP from skills

heh, I really don't need my 20 bucks worth of aurum back at the expense of 4 months of SP grinding and my cheap BPO suits.


If they do reset SP, I hope to god they decide to change the SP payout system to 100% pasive like eve. That way I can just log on for 5 minutes once a day to assign my skill cue for the next few months while I allow the preparation H to have it's full effect.

pure FPS players who have never played eve would throw a hissy fit

BAD IDEA

A'hh I missed that.

Still the refund part came before CCP decided to this would be that last SP reset. So technically, if people want to take CCP to court over this then the "refund" part would override the part about "no Sp reset" .

People want to have their cake, eat it, and then get their money back anyway.

Here's the thing. Lets say CCP has the flexibility (due to miscommunication, misleading, or ambiguous quotes) to do literally whatever they want. And practically I'm sure they do.

Why should they choose NOT to reset anything?

Lets be honest. Who believes that the core player-base of this game is not already playing it? Who really thinks that re-branding same game from "beta" to "release" will magically cause an massive influx of curious new players? Anyone interested by now, or by that point will have already downloaded, tested the game, and determined it's merits and potential.

Therefore who would be most enraged by doing a hard-reset of characters, SP (non-reallocative), ISK, assets, BPOs, etc?
The core player-base, which at that point will virtually be everyone who will be playing it.


Seems like a bad idea from a company PR standpoint to screw people like that: People who are their primary source of income, support, and advertising.

Who would such a measure appease? The illusive and perhaps nonexistent few new, causal CoD come-overs who flow in and out of games like a passing cool breeze. But it won't run a wind farm.

CCP really needs to step up their game in terms of communicating. I'm not taking about with us but with themselves (as in the GMs and Devs).

But overall, CCP does have a ton of petitions to handle. Consider this:

Eve Online (Tranquility Server - London): 500,000 Subscribers
Eve Online (Serenity Server - China): about 100,000 or less subscribers
Dust 514 (Tranquility Server): About 400,000 to 500,000 free accounts (assuming every player has created 3 alt characters)

That's well over a million players to handle petitions from.

Well if a$$holes keep pushing for aur refund and we get it, that means sp wipe too, and reset of assets.
Which means everyone (including myself) who purchased all bpo items before the price increase will lose those too. So those of us who created militia fits for cheap to fall back on....will be forced to spend $30 on one militia fit.
Carry on trying to F uck things up people, you may just manage it.
If the above happens, as much as I love dust, I'm done!

We are not in Commercial Release. Any statements of such from a GM was inaccurate.

Wrong.

Anyone who owns a playstation is able to download this game.

CCP are taking money for products in this game, that is commerce.

This is a commercial release.

Wrong.

Anyone who owns a playstation is able to download this game.

CCP are taking money for products in this game, that is commerce.

This is a commercial release.

I pretty much agree with this statement. Commercial release is a legal term, and I don't think CCP gets to define what it means to suit their desires. I'm no lawyer though.


I've seen this in other betas as well, namely MWO. They get around this issue by referring, not to commercial release, but to "launch" a made up term that the they can define however they want.

No no, ICECREAM is right on this one. Commercial Release just means it's available to everyone, technically that would just make it an open beta, but the fact that they're charging for items brings it back to commercial release. Or is everyone who buys Aurum items at this point simply making donations? I don't think so CCP.

So yeah, it's an incomplete game, but it's an incomplete game that they're selling

I feel pretty bad for Eterne tbh.

His company is making him say this stuff, even though its wrong, and that reflects badly on him.

Reminds me of working retail.

I know those aren't links to precedent cases before the Supreme Court but it's interesting that the mechwarrior thread is very similar to what is being said here but I still haven't seen proof of any of it. Got tired of googling it after like 5 minutes.