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Sete Clifton
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Posted - 2013.03.27 18:19:00 -
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Posted - 2013.03.27 18:42:00 -
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TheMarkOf22 wrote:The have to refund AUR, EULA states game is in beta, therefore a refund must be granted.
Yes, the terms appear to bind them legally to refunding the AUR. However, if we push for this, then the community should also be prepared to accept any potential consequences such as an SP and asset reset, both of which are completely possible and fair for CCP to do. I'm not saying that would happen for sure, but it is completely possible. |
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:02:00 -
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I would just like to mention that I personally don't care about getting any of my aurum or items back. If it actually comes to it, I don't really care if people get their stuff refunded without giving anything up and it's all essentially free. As long as my character/SP/assets stays as it currently is then my vote goes to doing whatever CCP wants. |
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:17:00 -
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ReGnUM Slayer ofWorlds wrote:Sete Clifton wrote:I would just like to mention that I personally don't care about getting any of my aurum or items back. If it actually comes to it, I don't really care if people get their stuff refunded without giving anything up and it's all essentially free. As long as my character/SP/assets stays as it currently is then my vote goes to doing whatever CCP wants. Iam glad you feel that way. However, this a legal matter and not one of personal opinion. If CCP goes against back on their word. Then I should never follow another rule created by CCP. Why should I follow them, when the people who created them can't be bothered to follow them. Especially when this one rule is about money
I get that. I was trying to say that I'm okay with people getting their aurum refunded (as they are legally obligated to) and also keeping their SP/assets. I don't care about them having to give something up in return (SP) as a consequence of the refund and leaving me at any disadvantage. That is, as long as my character remains untouched. |
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:30:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:
I agree. CCP did say there will be no more SP resets for certain and everyone seems to agree to that. The only thing that left on the table to discuss as a possibility is a possible SP reallocation (reimbursement of SP). Not sure about the assets though.
This is definitely what I heard. Or else I wouldn't have wasted a single moment reaching cap in this game every week.
I agree, and I think most people agree. However, CCP is on record as saying that even though they didn't/don't plan to do an SP reset, they have reserved the right to in the case of some catastrophic event. I'd consider a bunch of players taking legal action as potentially "catastrophic". I don't want them to reset SP, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen because of this. |
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:36:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Sete Clifton wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:
I agree. CCP did say there will be no more SP resets for certain and everyone seems to agree to that. The only thing that left on the table to discuss as a possibility is a possible SP reallocation (reimbursement of SP). Not sure about the assets though.
This is definitely what I heard. Or else I wouldn't have wasted a single moment reaching cap in this game every week. I agree, and I think most people agree. However, CCP is on record as saying that even though they didn't/don't plan to do an SP reset, they have reserved the right to in the case of some catastrophic event. I'd consider a bunch of players legally demanding their aurum back (which effects SP) as potentially "catastrophic". I don't want them to reset SP (or a refund), but I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen because of this. They had a statement saying there would not be any resets of any kind, till release, unless something catastrophic happened. ~In which case it would ONLY be a full SP refund, to be reallocated into newly designed skill trees. Nothing about wiping Aur, assets, ISK, SP , or refunding AUR, or refunding aur (while wiping SP, ISK, assets, etc).
Here is the direct quote:
"We currently have no plans to reset your characters' skill points to a state where they are equivalent to a newly created character, barring something catastrophic."
So yes, if something catastrophic happens, they can completely wipe SP.
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Sete Clifton
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:58:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Sete Clifton wrote:
Here is the direct quote:
"We currently have no plans to reset your characters' skill points to a state where they are equivalent to a newly created character, barring something catastrophic."
So yes, if something catastrophic happens, they can completely wipe SP.
Reset =/= wipe. In any other MMO type games you refer to respecing as resetting your skill points. Not 'deleting' them from use ever again. If we have to play the parse every word CCP ever says, then there's no point listening to them at all. Then words clarifying words will come months later and themselves be ambiguous. How can anyone trust that to make appropriate decisions with their time or money?
I realize the difference. However, they have made the distinction between a wipe/reset and a reallocation. This quote was a direct response to people asking if they were going to lose their SP in like in previous beta build resets when the game launched. |
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Posted - 2013.03.27 20:03:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Sete Clifton wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Sete Clifton wrote:
Here is the direct quote:
"We currently have no plans to reset your characters' skill points to a state where they are equivalent to a newly created character, barring something catastrophic."
So yes, if something catastrophic happens, they can completely wipe SP.
Reset =/= wipe. In any other MMO type games you refer to respecing as resetting your skill points. Not 'deleting' them from use ever again. If we have to play the parse every word CCP ever says, then there's no point listening to them at all. Then words clarifying words will come months later and themselves be ambiguous. How can anyone trust that to make appropriate decisions with their time or money? I realize the difference. However, they have made the distinction between a wipe/reset and a reallocation. This quote was a direct response to people asking if they were going to lose their SP like in previous beta build resets when the game launched. If their term reset means to wipe all player data including name isk and assets, then it was used incorrectly in conjunction with the sentence "to reset your characters' skill points to a state where they are equivalent to a newly created character". So on which account were they wrong?
They weren't necessarily wrong in their wording. As far as I'm aware they (and the community) have been using the term "reset" to refer to a complete wipe for the entire beta. Other games/devs might use the term in a different way, but that doesn't mean that CCP has to use the same arbitrary definition. |
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