Nowhere says that the two must go hand-in-hand. Sure, it's how it's been happening in the past, but they aren't tied to each other.

They have to refund AUR, EULA states game is in beta, therefore a refund must be granted.

The solution would be giving an option to consumers to keep what you have and no SP/AUR reset or reset both SP and Aurum and you start over.

Either way when you log in you have to a check a box that agrees to the new terms and relinguishes there liability.

Every one gets a nice bonus from ccp and the issue goes away.

Not sure there is an answer everyone will like.

for everytime i die due to a bug, dont you think im entitled to have my aurum refunded without an sp reset?
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Reset =/= wipe. In any other MMO type games you refer to respecing as resetting your skill points. Not 'deleting' them from use ever again. If we have to play the parse every word CCP ever says, then there's no point listening to them at all. Then words clarifying words will come months later and themselves be ambiguous. How can anyone trust that to make appropriate decisions with their time or money?

This quote says:

"We currently have no plans to reset your characters' skill points to a state where they are equivalent to a newly created character, barring something catastrophic."

Resetting my character's SP (retains the character),
to a state equal to having created a new character (No longer having any SP allocated into any skill),
will only happen if there is something catastrophic.

See? Assets are are not part of this, nor BPO, Nor ISK, Nor character name.
The only grey area (which would be scummy at best) is what happens to the SP that is taken out of your skills.

The ONLY thing stated here for logical certainty is that they MAY have to remove SP from skills

pure FPS players who have never played eve would throw a hissy fit

BAD IDEA

I pretty much agree with this statement. Commercial release is a legal term, and I don't think CCP gets to define what it means to suit their desires. I'm no lawyer though.


I've seen this in other betas as well, namely MWO. They get around this issue by referring, not to commercial release, but to "launch" a made up term that the they can define however they want.

I know those aren't links to precedent cases before the Supreme Court but it's interesting that the mechwarrior thread is very similar to what is being said here but I still haven't seen proof of any of it. Got tired of googling it after like 5 minutes.

DUST is free, you bought AUR.

So for those into the whole "commercial release" debate, is Playstation Home in commercial release?

/rolls in asbestos and exits stage left

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^This actually seems pretty reasonable.

Playstation Home? Oh yes, not me personally but there are people who've spent thousands of dollars on micro transactions there. For the record (last I bothered to check) Sony officially says it's in open beta.

Does it matter? No. Everyone seems to think the "Commercial Release" is related to payment. I've said it 1,000 times and I'm going to keep saying it until everybody stops being stupid. "Commercial Release" is a stage of development that indicates the software does not need any additional testing and no additional code is to be added. It is when the developer says it is. They can charge for whatever the hell they want so long as they make it clear what you are buying. Which they did. So it's BETA until they say otherwise.

I'm just curious as to what you mean by "see it that way"?

I'm not being a jerk, I just don't understand what everyone is so confused about.

Ok. But that's not what it means, so I guess that's the issue. And they sold AUR. No one made you use it now. Not like the stuff expires. Call it Commercial Release all you want, so long as you understand that it isn't that at all I guess.

SP cannot stay intact because some of that sp was earned at an accelerated rate using booster's included or bought with the aurum included with the merc pack. why is this concept so difficult for some people?

So now that argument can be put to bed and people can stop sounding stupid. It says BETA at the top, it's a BETA. Nothing makes it anything else until the company says so. Simple concept, really. It is what CCP says it is. There is no room for debate or misunderstanding. It has nothing to do with them selling AUR or not. It has nothing to do with who has access to it. These are terms used by software developers to communicate where they feel the game is in the development cycle.

They've been accepting money for it since the beginning of closed BETA, right? So I'm guessing everyone thinks it never was a BETA and just went straight to commercial release?

Ok, we're done. I was debating this with you because I was bored and it was what I thought a simple concept. I'm still bored and its still simple but this isn't any fun any more.

You have addressed exactly none of the points I've made. If you want to debate someone it is good practice to listen to what they say and respond to them. Ignoring them completely and just saying "everything is what I think it is because I said so" doesn't get anybody anywhere.

And also that phrase I quoted up there just plain makes me sad.

i dont give a crap having my AUR back. i'm not that cheap of a player to try and screw those over.

A bad line in a product description doesnt mean you HAVE to try and use it. To me, AUR has to be refund when the progress you made using it is ERASED. That's it.

And i dont want to see anything erased. that's for sure.

That 4,000 AURUM was actually worth the same as the 40,000 AURUM is now...

Besides, as I've said earlier in this thread; CCP should give people the option to reset everything and get back their AURUM and BPCs.

Though I can't personally figure out why anyone would want to go back to 500k SP and grind all the way back up while the rest of us are going to be running around with millions of SP and lots of officer loot.