If anyone can link some proof of any of this that would be very helpful. Especially any links that confirm companies are required by law to call the game an "open BETA" or "Commercial Release" because some criteria has been met. Since this is a download-only game there's no manufacturer to ship it to for production, so it seems the commercial release is whenever the hell CCP feels it calling it that.

Until proof shows up there's this crap. These aren't intended to be conclusive, but it does seem apparent the BETA vs Release is based solely on the what the company thinks the state of the game is, not any other factors.

http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/56334-clarification-closed-beta-vs-open-beta-vs-releaselaunch-and-status/

http://mmohuts.com/editorials/what-does-closed-beta-mean

I know those aren't links to precedent cases before the Supreme Court but it's interesting that the mechwarrior thread is very similar to what is being said here but I still haven't seen proof of any of it. Got tired of googling it after like 5 minutes.

Remember what I said about stabbing people with a knife? Whether a court/CCP calls this a commercial release or not has nothing to do whether it actually is one. CCP can deny it, but they are selling an incomplete product.

DUST is free, you bought AUR.

I bought nothing

You cannot force the people who bought merc packs to take a reset of SP if they want to get what you promised them. If you reset anyone you need to reset everyone, no option BS.

Yes they can.

Yes they can.

How would that be fair? Here is what we promised you but you must give me something else?

I'm fine with it as long as everyone gets reset to square one not just punishing those that actually support the game.

Yeah, they CAN, but if they do they can also expect a whole lot of people (myself included) to delete the game.

No one is forced to do something that they don't want to? That sounds pretty fair to me.

I would be forced to take a reset to get my promised Aurum instead of keeping my sp. So how is that not forcing me to do something?

There should be two options as far as the refund

1. Give up a portion of your SP to refund your merc pack with the 30 day booster
2. Get the merc pack back without a booster. Maybe throw in a three day booster as a gift.

So for those into the whole "commercial release" debate, is Playstation Home in commercial release?

/rolls in asbestos and exits stage left

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^This actually seems pretty reasonable.

Its when no one says "Its a beta" when **** hits the fan! CCP has given it a title "Uprising". Anything with a title is either a new build or an expansion.

Are they selling you stuff?

Playstation Home? Oh yes, not me personally but there are people who've spent thousands of dollars on micro transactions there. For the record (last I bothered to check) Sony officially says it's in open beta.

Are they selling you stuff?

Does it matter? No. Everyone seems to think the "Commercial Release" is related to payment. I've said it 1,000 times and I'm going to keep saying it until everybody stops being stupid. "Commercial Release" is a stage of development that indicates the software does not need any additional testing and no additional code is to be added. It is when the developer says it is. They can charge for whatever the hell they want so long as they make it clear what you are buying. Which they did. So it's BETA until they say otherwise.

I guess if you want to see it that way. And yes, people do know what they're getting themselves into, still suckers unless they're buying boosters.

I'm just curious as to what you mean by "see it that way"?

I'm not being a jerk, I just don't understand what everyone is so confused about.

It depends on what you see as CR, I see it the instant they start selling a product, So to me this is CR.

Ok. But that's not what it means, so I guess that's the issue. And they sold AUR. No one made you use it now. Not like the stuff expires. Call it Commercial Release all you want, so long as you understand that it isn't that at all I guess.