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Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 169	Posted - 2013.03.28 04:25:00 - [151] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: They can refund JUST AUR GUYS SP can stay intact Quoting again for true, and can 99% of this thread stop being stupid. You will get your AUR refund and stop crying
Victin Ashis Universal Allies Inc. 13	Posted - 2013.03.28 04:32:00 - [152] - Quote Sylvana Nightwind wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: They can refund JUST AUR GUYS SP can stay intact Quoting again for true, and can 99% of this thread stop being stupid. You will get your AUR refund and stop crying SP cannot stay intact because some of that sp was earned at an accelerated rate using booster's included or bought with the aurum included with the merc pack. why is this concept so difficult for some people?
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 646	Posted - 2013.03.28 04:42:00 - [153] - Quote Victin Ashis wrote: Sylvana Nightwind wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: They can refund JUST AUR GUYS SP can stay intact Quoting again for true, and can 99% of this thread stop being stupid. You will get your AUR refund and stop crying SP cannot stay intact because some of that sp was earned at an accelerated rate using booster's included or bought with the aurum included with the merc pack. why is this concept so difficult for some people? Because they ate their cake, and now they then want another cake.
Autist's Fury Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 0	Posted - 2013.03.28 04:52:00 - [154] - Quote REJOICE MY PEOPLE I HAVE HEARD YOUR SPURG, I AM HERE.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 226	Posted - 2013.03.28 04:58:00 - [155] - Quote Victin Ashis wrote: Sylvana Nightwind wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: They can refund JUST AUR GUYS SP can stay intact Quoting again for true, and can 99% of this thread stop being stupid. You will get your AUR refund and stop crying SP cannot stay intact because some of that sp was earned at an accelerated rate using booster's included or bought with the aurum included with the merc pack. why is this concept so difficult for some people? Sorry you didn't support CCP earlier and now want everyone who did to pay. You mad I have BPO's and an extra Million SP also?
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 433	Posted - 2013.03.28 05:21:00 - [156] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: [quote=Sloth9230][quote=Altina McAlterson] I'm just curious as to what you mean by "see it that way"? I'm not being a jerk, I just don't understand what everyone is so confused about. Commercial release for sofware simply means it's available to everyone for purchase instead of only an exclusive group of people having access to it No it doesn't. So an open BETA doesn't exist? If it's open then it is available to everyone and so therefor has to be a commercial release? You said "for purchase", maybe that's your metric then? How much did you pay for your copy of DUST? I'm beginning to hope you are trolling me because I'm starting to get concerned. So who has jurisdiction over what CCP calls it? DEA? ATF? RIAA? They're from Iceland but this DEV team is in China so maybe it's Interpol? A company can sell a "BETA" as easily as they can sell a "Commercial Release" so long as it is expressly understood what it is you are paying for. So now that argument can be put to bed and people can stop sounding stupid. It says BETA at the top, it's a BETA. Nothing makes it anything else until the company says so. Simple concept, really. It is what CCP says it is. There is no room for debate or misunderstanding. It has nothing to do with them selling AUR or not. It has nothing to do with who has access to it. These are terms used by software developers to communicate where they feel the game is in the development cycle. They've been accepting money for it since the beginning of closed BETA, right? So I'm guessing everyone thinks it never was a BETA and just went straight to commercial release?
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 648	Posted - 2013.03.28 05:53:00 - [157] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: So now that argument can be put to bed and people can stop sounding stupid. It says BETA at the top, it's a BETA. Nothing makes it anything else until the company says so. Simple concept, really. It is what CCP says it is. There is no room for debate or misunderstanding. It has nothing to do with them selling AUR or not. It has nothing to do with who has access to it. These are terms used by software developers to communicate where they feel the game is in the development cycle. They've been accepting money for it since the beginning of closed BETA, right? So I'm guessing everyone thinks it never was a BETA and just went straight to commercial release? No more refunds. If you lose something now then it's gone. An open beta is where you let potential costumers test the product and mess around with it. Key word being "potential" customers, we are no longer potential customers, well maybe I am since I haven't bought anything, but anyone who has bought something is a customer, not a potential customer. How much did I pay for Dust? Nothing, because they don't charge for playing, they charge for items, Dust relies on micro transactions. So asking me how I much paid was a stupid question. CCP can call it whatever they want, it doesn't change what it is.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 648	Posted - 2013.03.28 06:05:00 - [158] - Quote Let me make this simple for you. Take what we have now and put it on a disc and include an access code for a "free" merc pack, then send it to to Gamestop and have them charge 20 for the game. You're going to tell me that that wasn't a commercial release? What difference does it make if people paid for Dust or the merc pack? People are still spending money on this.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 435	Posted - 2013.03.28 06:13:00 - [159] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: CCP can call it whatever they want, it doesn't change what it is. Ok, we're done. I was debating this with you because I was bored and it was what I thought a simple concept. I'm still bored and its still simple but this isn't any fun any more. You have addressed exactly none of the points I've made. If you want to debate someone it is good practice to listen to what they say and respond to them. Ignoring them completely and just saying "everything is what I think it is because I said so" doesn't get anybody anywhere. And also that phrase I quoted up there just plain makes me sad.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 648	Posted - 2013.03.28 06:20:00 - [160] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: CCP can call it whatever they want, it doesn't change what it is. Ok, we're done. I was debating this with you because I was bored and it was what I thought a simple concept. I'm still bored and its still simple but this isn't any fun any more. You have addressed exactly none of the points I've made. If you want to debate someone it is good practice to listen to what they say and respond to them. Ignoring them completely and just saying "everything is what I think it is because I said so" doesn't get anybody anywhere. And also that phrase I quoted up there just plain makes me sad. And what points have you made? All you said was "CCP said it's not a commercial release, therefore it's not". You know what they say, "if it quacks like a duck..."

Victin Ashis Universal Allies Inc. 14	Posted - 2013.03.28 07:10:00 - [161] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Victin Ashis wrote: Sylvana Nightwind wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: They can refund JUST AUR GUYS SP can stay intact Quoting again for true, and can 99% of this thread stop being stupid. You will get your AUR refund and stop crying SP cannot stay intact because some of that sp was earned at an accelerated rate using booster's included or bought with the aurum included with the merc pack. why is this concept so difficult for some people? Sorry you didn't support CCP earlier and now want everyone who did to pay. You mad I have BPO's and an extra Million SP also? I bought my first of 3 merc pacs when they only gave out 4000 aurum. Try again skippy
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1245	Posted - 2013.03.28 08:32:00 - [162] - Quote i dont give a crap having my AUR back. i'm not that cheap of a player to try and screw those over. A bad line in a product description doesnt mean you HAVE to try and use it. To me, AUR has to be refund when the progress you made using it is ERASED. That's it. And i dont want to see anything erased. that's for sure.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 648	Posted - 2013.03.28 08:42:00 - [163] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: i dont give a crap having my AUR back. i'm not that cheap of a player to try and screw those over. A bad line in a product description doesnt mean you HAVE to try and use it. To me, AUR has to be refund when the progress you made using it is ERASED. That's it. And i dont want to see anything erased. that's for sure. No, CCP is not allowed to make mistakes without the player base gaining something from it.
Nirwanda Vaughns Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 24	Posted - 2013.03.28 09:06:00 - [164] - Quote Bout 7 weeks ago when i learned that this 'was it' i told my corp mates i could see a lot of people kicking off about spending AUR in the belief that since its a beta they will get it back when commercial release kicks in and there would be a big uprising and demand for a reset for all the AUR wasted on the battlefield, i was told not to be silly but tbh at first i wondered about getting a reset myself but i've made the most of all the boosters i bought and i have the sever/raven bpo's to use so i'm not that fussy now even to the fact that i would prefer to stay as i am now since i have spent some serious grinding after being told that we wouldn't be reset anymore. if anything the only request i want on 'commercial' release is SPs set to unallocated to rebuild my char. i remember a dev post saying something along the lines that its unfair to ask us to test weapons and suits using our sp and be stuck with it so a reallocation would be most likely
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 553	Posted - 2013.03.28 09:30:00 - [165] - Quote Victin Ashis wrote: I bought my first of 3 merc pacs when they only gave out 4000 aurum. Try again skippy That 4,000 AURUM was actually worth the same as the 40,000 AURUM is now... Besides, as I've said earlier in this thread; CCP should give people the option to reset everything and get back their AURUM and BPCs. Though I can't personally figure out why anyone would want to go back to 500k SP and grind all the way back up while the rest of us are going to be running around with millions of SP and lots of officer loot.
Dalton Smithe OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 75	Posted - 2013.03.28 09:32:00 - [166] - Quote This thread is still going? Man I have to give it to the community, you guys take the ball and run with it.....
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 553	Posted - 2013.03.28 09:57:00 - [167] - Quote Dalton Smithe wrote: This thread is still going? Man I have to give it to the community, you guys take the ball and run with it..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4PcL6-mjRNk#t=44s
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 648	Posted - 2013.03.28 10:05:00 - [168] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Victin Ashis wrote: I bought my first of 3 merc pacs when they only gave out 4000 aurum. Try again skippy That 4,000 AURUM was actually worth the same as the 40,000 AURUM is now... Besides, as I've said earlier in this thread; CCP should give people the option to reset everything and get back their AURUM and BPCs. Though I can't personally figure out why anyone would want to go back to 500k SP and grind all the way back up while the rest of us are going to be running around with millions of SP and lots of officer loot. Well CCP said they would never reset SP so as to make a character equal to a newly created character, so they should give them 600kSP, y'now, since people want to be literal and all
Imp Smash On The Brink CRONOS. 76	Posted - 2013.03.28 11:20:00 - [169] - Quote I'm not sure how they could refund aur. Bpos are one thing. You can just buy em again. But expended items such as boosters, equipment lost in battle, and uvts-- that'd be impossible. As such an aur refund probably would end up including a reset.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 437	Posted - 2013.03.28 11:22:00 - [170] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Let me make this simple for you. Take what we have now and put it on a disc, include an access code for a "free" merc pack, then send it to Gamestop and have them charge 20 for the game. You're going to tell me that that wasn't a commercial release? What difference does it make if people paid for Dust or the merc pack? People are still spending money on this. No, that wouldn't be Commercial Release if it still a BETA. I swore I was done with this but it's DT and I seriously can't let this fly. For the umpteenth time, the words "Commercial Release" are industry terms and have nothing to do with whether or not it was paid for. Companies can charge for a BETA and it will still be a BETA and the can give away a title that is a Commercial Release for free. Again, just because you paid for it does not make it a Commercial Release. It simply means a stage in development that the company feels the product is complete enough to not need a disclaimer telling people that more features are coming. The Commercial Release stage also deals with how stable the developer think the product is and so on. A Commercial Release is not related to whether or not people pay for. Whether or not people pay for it has no bearing on it being in the Commercial Release stage. Whether or not people pay for it and the products status as BETA or Commercial Release are not related. If you read what I was saying you would see I've said this several times already. Do I need to go on? CCP, holy hell we need new content this can't be the only thing to talk about. It doesn't even matter...but I do love to debate things with people.

Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1247	Posted - 2013.03.28 11:43:00 - [171] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: It doesn't even matter... ^^ This ^^
Bleeding Antelope SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 0	Posted - 2013.03.28 12:01:00 - [172] - Quote Could someone fill me in about this? I'm kind of lost in what we are losing in the next build that is causing this problem?
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 437	Posted - 2013.03.28 12:03:00 - [173] - Quote Bleeding Antelope wrote: Could someone fill me in about this? I'm kind of lost in what we are losing in the next build that is causing this problem? We're not losing anything, don't worry. If you're not already outraged about it best not to get involved. Although this discussion actually seems to be about whether or not the game is still in open BETA or if it is now in the Commercial Release stage of development.
Bleeding Antelope SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 0	Posted - 2013.03.28 12:15:00 - [174] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Bleeding Antelope wrote: Could someone fill me in about this? I'm kind of lost in what we are losing in the next build that is causing this problem? We're not losing anything, don't worry. If you're not already outraged about it best not to get involved. Although this discussion actually seems to be about whether or not the game is still in open BETA or if it is now in the Commercial Release stage of development. Okay, thank you for the reply back.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 301	Posted - 2013.03.28 12:19:00 - [175] - Quote LET THE THREAD DIE. Matter is being worked on. Actually, the original topic is solved. Thanks for coming.
Salazar Skye-fire Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2013.03.28 12:26:00 - [176] - Quote all i see is a bunch of crying from broke a** ppl, get a job, and if you got one get a 2nd. and if that dont work out hit up a truck stop with some mouthwash and a smile. problem solved.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 455	Posted - 2013.03.28 12:46:00 - [177] - Quote On a personal level I couldn't care less if I don't get the merc pack items/aurum back for commercial release, because that's not my problem with this situation. Obviously CCP planned to have a full reset at commercial release, but then they changed plans to having the final reset with the move to TQ where the game was still in (closed/open) beta. Instead of openly coming out and saying plans were changed and merc pack items/aurum wouldn't be given back at commercial release they tried to ninja change the terms of the sale and be completely hush hush about it. I'm sure CCP has lost credibility with this, and that can't be fully forgiven even if they decide to fully admit the situation at this point.
Commercially Released Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.03.28 13:51:00 - [178] - Quote It's so amusing how many people are insistent that the game judges fairness on the pay to win metric.

GM Hercules Game Masters C C P Alliance 372	Posted - 2013.03.28 15:14:00 - [179] - Quote CCP Eterne quotes below: CCP Eterne wrote: We are not in Commercial Release. Any statements of such from a GM was inaccurate. CCP Eterne wrote: I'm afraid I can't comment on any plans for an AUR refund at the present moment. I will look into getting a more definitive answer for you guys. I don't see the point to continue this discussion. This thread is now locked. GM Hercules Forum Community Moderator



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