DUST Search - We are in Commercial Release

Moonracer2000 wrote:

It is definitely a delicate situation for CCP to handle.
They did change the terms of merc pack sales around open beta (to remove any mention of reset on release), so if they reset it will probably only be for closed beta sales (still quite a bit).

A total reset would be a nightmare:
-people that bought militia BPOs when they were super cheap would be angry.
-people that have been grinding SP every day since open beta would be angry.
-people that have been stockpiling ISK would be angry.
-the reset would occur right as Planetary Conquest begins
- the only benefit might be for new players who join in on release to not be up against proto suits

A reset of just merc pack and AUR purchases from before the sales agreement change would also cause problems:
-people not included would feel it is unfair
-if the reset/refund doesn't effect SP people will be essentially getting free boosters (who used their AUR for that)
-if items bought with AUR weren't tracked and removed properly (or already used) it could lead to more complaints.

Either way CCP would lose a lot of potential future sales. Sure the merc packs sold would not cause a loss (they are virtual items, free to restore) but that would also mean fewer merc packs and AUR people would buy again in the near future.

I bought two merc packs before open beta and personally would rather support the game than make demands on a technicality. As long as there is no SP wipe or character reset, I feel I put my AUR and 30 day boosters to use as intended.


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Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1798	Posted - 2013.03.27 16:13:00 - [1] - Quote CCP really needs to step up their game in terms of communicating. I'm not taking about with us but with themselves (as in the GMs and Devs). But overall, CCP does have a ton of petitions to handle. Consider this: Eve Online (Tranquility Server - London): 500,000 Subscribers Eve Online (Serenity Server - China): about 100,000 or less subscribers Dust 514 (Tranquility Server): About 400,000 to 500,000 free accounts (assuming every player has created 3 alt characters) That's well over a million players to handle petitions from.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1798	Posted - 2013.03.27 16:13:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: We are not in Commercial Release. Any statements of such from a GM was inaccurate. Tagging this thread for future reference.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1798	Posted - 2013.03.27 16:16:00 - [3] - Quote ReGnUM Slayer ofWorlds wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: We are not in Commercial Release. Any statements of such from a GM was inaccurate. So we will get are AUR back then That's gonna be a lot of AUR to refund. I hope this doesn't screw over the New Eden economy when it opens.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1798	Posted - 2013.03.27 16:30:00 - [4] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: CCP really needs to step up their game in terms of communicating. I'm not taking about with us but with themselves (as in the GMs and Devs). But overall, CCP does have a ton of petitions to handle. Consider this: Eve Online (Tranquility Server - London): 500,000 Subscribers Eve Online (Serenity Server - China): about 100,000 or less subscribers Dust 514 (Tranquility Server): About 400,000 to 500,000 free accounts (assuming every player has created 3 alt characters) That's well over a million players to handle petitions from. Just FYI, according to dustboard, there are almost 2 million mercs created. Even if everyone had 3 characters, we'd be looking at nearly 700,000 dust accounts. Damn, already that many?
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1798	Posted - 2013.03.27 16:35:00 - [5] - Quote Flamesea wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: ReGnUM Slayer ofWorlds wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: We are not in Commercial Release. Any statements of such from a GM was inaccurate. So we will get are AUR back then That's gonna be a lot of AUR to refund. I hope this doesn't screw over the New Eden economy when it opens. Don't think so. Aur refund should mean that you get a total wipe of SP and assets. And you don't want it to happen, right? I bought my merc packs from PSN store (7 of them) 7-8 months ago. If i recall right it said (at that time in merc packs) that AUR is refunded when moving into Commercial Release ( not needing any wipe to that ). I agree. CCP did say there will be no more SP resets for certain and everyone seems to agree to that. The only thing that left on the table to discuss as a possibility is a possible SP reallocation (reimbursement of SP). Not sure about the assets though.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1798	Posted - 2013.03.27 16:56:00 - [6] - Quote tribal wyvern wrote: Well if a$$holes keep pushing for aur refund and we get it, that means sp wipe too, and reset of assets. Which means everyone (including myself) who purchased all bpo items before the price increase will lose those too. So those of us who created militia fits for cheap to fall back on....will be forced to spend $30 on one militia fit. Carry on trying to F uck things up people, you may just manage it. If the above happens, as much as I love dust, I'm done! That is pure speculation. There is no confirmation on that happening. SP did confirm that there will be no SP resets. Only a possibility of SP reimbursements is on the table. The only time there is an SP reset happening is when something "catastrophic" happens. Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=598443#post598443
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1800	Posted - 2013.03.27 17:04:00 - [7] - Quote CCP, since you are reading this thread, I like to make it known that since we are beginning a new cycle of election for the Eve Online Council of Stellar Management, I will make sure I vote someone in who will be willing to push you into resolving the matter quickly before this gets out of control. This is not to say that I hate CCP. I like you guys. It's just that I don't want CCP to be repeating the mistakes they made back in 2011 which led to the Jita Riots.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1800	Posted - 2013.03.27 17:11:00 - [8] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: DeeJay One wrote: Isn't the whole idea of that thread in violation of forum rule number 9? it is i sense a double standard Kind of like when you get pulled over by a cop for speeding and cop tells you "Sir, I'm just 5 minutes away from finishing my shift. Give me a reason that I haven't heard already on why I shouldn't give you a ticket and I'll let you go."
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1800	Posted - 2013.03.27 17:14:00 - [9] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: General Tiberius1 wrote: making money will ALLWAYS be the primary focus maken, there's only so much we can do They will make more money if people know they will get all their AUR back excluding boosters of course To be honest, now that I have looked deeply into it, it would probably be best for CCP to just refund the AURUM and leave the assets in place. Assuming CCP does things right, more customers will arrive and it will be best to just get it over with before then or else they'll be in a pickle when people ask for refunds of this nature by the millions.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1802	Posted - 2013.03.27 18:08:00 - [10] - Quote Moonracer2000 wrote: It is definitely a delicate situation for CCP to handle. They did change the terms of merc pack sales around open beta (to remove any mention of reset on release), so if they reset it will probably only be for closed beta sales (still quite a bit). A total reset would be a nightmare: -people that bought militia BPOs when they were super cheap would be angry. -people that have been grinding SP every day since open beta would be angry. -people that have been stockpiling ISK would be angry. -the reset would occur right as Planetary Conquest begins - the only benefit might be for new players who join in on release to not be up against proto suits A reset of just merc pack and AUR purchases from before the sales agreement change would also cause problems: -people not included would feel it is unfair -if the reset/refund doesn't effect SP people will be essentially getting free boosters (who used their AUR for that) -if items bought with AUR weren't tracked and removed properly (or already used) it could lead to more complaints. Either way CCP would lose a lot of potential future sales. Sure the merc packs sold would not cause a loss (they are virtual items, free to restore) but that would also mean fewer merc packs and AUR people would buy again in the near future. I bought two merc packs before open beta and personally would rather support the game than make demands on a technicality. As long as there is no SP wipe or character reset, I feel I put my AUR and 30 day boosters to use as intended. So basically what you're saying is that CCP is screwed no matter which route they take. Appease the pro-refund folks and you pee off those who see it as unfair for those who didn't invest any AUR and create a problem with the Dust economy and ultimately nearly kill Dust (which is really, really bad). Appease the anti-refund folks and you end up with a bunch of closed-beta players wanting to file a lawsuit on the company which would result in the loss of revenue needed to sustain Dust. Wow, there is no solution to this.

Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1807	Posted - 2013.03.28 01:42:00 - [11] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I feel pretty bad for Eterne tbh. His company is making him say this stuff, even though its wrong, and that reflects badly on him. Reminds me of working retail. Why else do you think I quit those jobs?