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King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.16 22:59:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:King Kobrah wrote: You're not trolling anyone though, you're just flailing your arms around looking intentionally ********.
lo,l He does that. First he says stupid sh*t, then he calls it trolling in a pathetic attempt to save face. it's like watching the wacky inflatable flailing arm tube man, but in text form |
Don Von Hulio
UnReaL.
132
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:00:00 -
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Honestly. What is it that you proto heavies expect state wise? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
463
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:02:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote: Learn to adapt, like we had to do. Perhaps consider making your heavy suit primary AV (let's be honest here, this is what the heavy was designed for) and make your secondary function a support platform for infantry players.
Upgrading your suit isn't adapting, that's all most of pro assault guys did. Their still using the same tactics, but now they're winning because they have better suits and heavies don't.
I'm not saying some people didn't adapt to different strategies, but most players didn't. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
463
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:02:00 -
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Don Von Hulio wrote:Honestly. What is it that you proto heavies expect state wise? 4-3/3-4 slots minimum would be nice... |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
838
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:03:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:King Kobrah wrote: You're not trolling anyone though, you're just flailing your arms around looking intentionally ********.
lo,l He does that. First he says stupid sh*t, then he calls it trolling in a pathetic attempt to save face.
lol... I'm not even answering this clown anymore. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
483
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:03:00 -
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Don Von Hulio wrote:Honestly. What is it that you proto heavies expect state wise? Nobody cares about stats, it's just about having good enough suits to get the job done right |
Crimson Moon V
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
234
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:04:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:King Kobrah wrote: You're not trolling anyone though, you're just flailing your arms around looking intentionally ********.
lo,l He does that. First he says stupid sh*t, then he calls it trolling in a pathetic attempt to save face. it's like watching the wacky inflatable flailing arm tube man, but in text form http://youtu.be/DoX8GMH4s1A |
Panther Alpha
WarRavens
128
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:05:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:They're not complaining about kills, you're just seeing that as the only reason this thread was made which is why I call an idiot, it's clearly been stated that the gear heavies are given isn't up up to par with everyone else's but you're apparently too dense to understand that.
"The once warriors in DUST are nothing more now than a stale joke that heavies are faced with everyday....at least against decent / good players.
In corp matches heavies are almost useless, losing out to Proto Assault suits using Proto Assault guns or Shotgun. Doesn't even have to be a good shotgun tbh, a militia shotgun does fine these days."
That sounds to me like a complaint about don't getting easy kills anymore. |
ImperfectFan514
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
80
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:05:00 -
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The Heavy class is actually fine. Just likes Tanks Heavy's have obvious advantages in the early stages of the game, but eventually infantry and AV catches up with them. |
Don Von Hulio
UnReaL.
132
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:08:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Don Von Hulio wrote:Honestly. What is it that you proto heavies expect state wise? Nobody cares about stats, it's just about having good enough suits to get the job done right
No not player stats. Suit stats like Slots, base health etc. I could say the best suit is an invincible one. |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
463
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:08:00 -
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ImperfectFan514 wrote:The Heavy class is actually fine. Just likes Tanks Heavy's have obvious advantages in the early stages of the game, but eventually infantry and AV catches up with them. You got your analogies wrong buddy, it's like a proto lav taking out a proto tank. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
838
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:08:00 -
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ImperfectFan514 wrote:The Heavy class is actually fine. Just likes Tanks Heavy's have obvious advantages in the early stages of the game, but eventually infantry and AV catches up with them.
loooool
I think someone from your alliance has something different to say about that. *cough* AV NADES *cough* |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
838
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:12:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:They're not complaining about kills, you're just seeing that as the only reason this thread was made which is why I call an idiot, it's clearly been stated that the gear heavies are given isn't up up to par with everyone else's but you're apparently too dense to understand that. "The once warriors in DUST are nothing more now than a stale joke that heavies are faced with everyday....at least against decent / good players. In corp matches heavies are almost useless, losing out to Proto Assault suits using Proto Assault guns or Shotgun. Doesn't even have to be a good shotgun tbh, a militia shotgun does fine these days." That sounds to me like a complaint about don't getting easy kills anymore.
Easy kills? Where did I mention anything about getting easy kills? Actually, I didn't even mention getting kills. My point just shows it's better to use another Assault player instead of a Heavy.
Your troll attempts are boring me as well. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
431
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:13:00 -
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As a player that previously have used both high-end Scout, Assault, Logi and Heavy suits I can say that the Advanced and Proto Heavy suits need a buff. The Proto suit mostly though.
I'm going up against guys in Advanced / Proto Assault suits nearly every battle, and I'm bringing out my Type-II Assault suit with barely any skills in the Assault class because it's not worth bringing out my Heavy suits, and that's not because of the cost of them but simply because they get wrecked.
Edit: Also, I have nearly no problem going up against Advanced / Proto Heavies, even in that Assault Type-II suit. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
463
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:16:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:They're not complaining about kills, you're just seeing that as the only reason this thread was made which is why I call an idiot, it's clearly been stated that the gear heavies are given isn't up up to par with everyone else's but you're apparently too dense to understand that. "The once warriors in DUST are nothing more now than a stale joke that heavies are faced with everyday....at least against decent / good players. In corp matches heavies are almost useless, losing out to Proto Assault suits using Proto Assault guns or Shotgun. Doesn't even have to be a good shotgun tbh, a militia shotgun does fine these days." That sounds to me like a complaint about don't getting easy kills anymore. Sounds to me like you have reading comprehension issues, or are Logi's useless because they don't get as many kills as an assault? So then what is a heavies main role? CQC? They lose to guys in proto and guys with shotguns. AV? They get killed by guys in assault before they can even do anything... |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
483
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:19:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:They're not complaining about kills, you're just seeing that as the only reason this thread was made which is why I call an idiot, it's clearly been stated that the gear heavies are given isn't up up to par with everyone else's but you're apparently too dense to understand that. "The once warriors in DUST are nothing more now than a stale joke that heavies are faced with everyday....at least against decent / good players. In corp matches heavies are almost useless, losing out to Proto Assault suits using Proto Assault guns or Shotgun. Doesn't even have to be a good shotgun tbh, a militia shotgun does fine these days." That sounds to me like a complaint about don't getting easy kills anymore. Nope, it's more like dying too often due to not have on par gear |
Panther Alpha
WarRavens
128
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:19:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:They're not complaining about kills, you're just seeing that as the only reason this thread was made which is why I call an idiot, it's clearly been stated that the gear heavies are given isn't up up to par with everyone else's but you're apparently too dense to understand that. "The once warriors in DUST are nothing more now than a stale joke that heavies are faced with everyday....at least against decent / good players. In corp matches heavies are almost useless, losing out to Proto Assault suits using Proto Assault guns or Shotgun. Doesn't even have to be a good shotgun tbh, a militia shotgun does fine these days." That sounds to me like a complaint about don't getting easy kills anymore. Easy kills? Where did I mention anything about getting easy kills? Actually, I didn't even mention getting kills. My point just shows it's better to use another Assault player instead of a Heavy. Your troll attempts are boring me as well.
The once warriors in DUST ;
The once OP class in Dust
At least against decent / good players ;
I can't find any newberries to kill any more
In corp matches heavies are almost useless, losing out to Proto Assault suits using Proto Assault guns or Shotgun. Doesn't even have to be a good shotgun tbh, a militia shotgun does fine these days ;
People is starting to kill me to easily, and i don't like it |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
483
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:26:00 -
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Don Von Hulio wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Don Von Hulio wrote:Honestly. What is it that you proto heavies expect state wise? Nobody cares about stats, it's just about having good enough suits to get the job done right No not player stats. Suit stats like Slots, base health etc. I could say the best suit is an invincible one.
4 slots total for the standard 1 high 3 low and a 50 -85 less armor, for the shield one 2 highs and 2 lows 100 less armor and so on with that trend maintaining the same number of slots as the assault |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
483
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:26:00 -
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Don Von Hulio wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Don Von Hulio wrote:Honestly. What is it that you proto heavies expect state wise? Nobody cares about stats, it's just about having good enough suits to get the job done right No not player stats. Suit stats like Slots, base health etc. I could say the best suit is an invincible one.
4 slots total for the standard 1 high 3 low and a 50 -85 less armor, for the shield one 2 highs and 2 lows 100 less armor and so on with that trend maintaining the same number of slots as the assault |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
932
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:31:00 -
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/Disagree
I get destroyed by any heavy that gets into CQC with me, and I destroy any heavy that gets into the area between his max range and my max range. I feel this is how it should work.
BUT I do agree with many of the points 2ton made in his post. |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
463
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:31:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:The once warriors in DUST ; The once OP class in Dust - They were never Op, people were just running at them like lemmingsAt least against decent / good players ; I can't find any newberries to kill any more - You mean "people smarter than the average gerbil"? They're still around, but now they have better gear than heavies.In corp matches heavies are almost useless, losing out to Proto Assault suits using Proto Assault guns or Shotgun. Doesn't even have to be a good shotgun tbh, a militia shotgun does fine these days ; People is starting to kill me to easily, and i don't like it - No, it's because they have far better gear. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
483
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:32:00 -
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Heavies ever being Op? Lol you're full of jokes |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
483
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:32:00 -
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Sorry for the double posts, I'm having internet problems |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
483
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:36:00 -
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Also when a class's only advantage is durability and it's dying easily how can you not see that as a problem? |
Mark Burkhart
UnReaL.
7
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:38:00 -
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i think a slight buff to the suitwould be nice considering the heavy cant use equipment of any sort and the proto assault suits can almost match the stats of the adv-proto heavys. The HMG is ok i guess but onlt spending 1mil+ on the thing takeing it to lvl 5 pro and still have problems even denting some of the shields on these proto assault suits.
a good way to morebalance the heavy is to like either give it a little more cpu/pg and either 1 high or 1 low to make up for the equipment slot we lack. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:41:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:This was ignored so I'll re-post it. Sloth9230 wrote: H'mm lets see(and this is just off the top of my head)
Assault suits get 7 slots and 2 equipment slots Logistics gets 8 slots and 4-3 equipment Scouts get 6 slots and 2-3 equipments slots... but lack the CPU to use them. Heavies get 5 slots...
Clearly everything is perfectly balanced.
C'mon Crimsonmoon, explain to us all how this is balanced. Just because he says so, isn't that enough? Can't you see his genius for what it is?
(I'm being sarcastic) |
flesth
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:42:00 -
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unless buff up the HMG , the prices on HMG isk on some is over the top compare to AR / LR , it same with the suit, maybe i am wrong |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
463
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:42:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Also when a class's only advantage is durability and it's dying easily how can you not see that as a problem? I've survived far longer with a type 2 assault suit then I ever did with a heavy, people really underestimate the mobility advantage. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
841
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:56:00 -
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lol 8 pages.
Assault guys really THAT scared? Not like we're asking to be unstoppable.
An old thread I made discussing the cost difference, between suits, and how much sense it makes using it.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=postmessage&t=62774&f=728&q=603904
Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:When I say buff, I mean ANYTHING to improve the suit, or justify the cost of it compared to the B- Series.
B- Series = 40,560 ISK ( 2 high slots, 2 low slots, 0 equipment, CPU 216 )
Proto = 246,800 ISK ( 3 high slots, 2 low slots, 0 equipment, CPU 270 )
Difference = 206,240
What Proto suits gets for the 206k: 54 more CPU, 11 more PG, 1 high slot.
People say stuff like "Oh the Heavy is a walking tank so that justifies the cost"... funny thing about this statement is that the Type 2 has the same HP as Proto and that costs 13,320 ISK.
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Let's compare the Assault B- Series and Proto, and see what they get for their money.
B- series = 20,680 ISK ( 3 high slots, 2 low slots, 1 equipment, CPU 231)
Proto = 91,200 ISK ( 4 high slots, 3 low slots, 2 equipment, CPU 330)
Difference = 70,520 ISK
What Proto suits get for that 70k ISK: 99 more CPU, 20 more PG, 1 high slot, 1 low slot, 1 equipment slot.
So even if you want to say "well use your Proto heavy suit"... for an extra high slot? It's basically Adv heavies vs Proto Assault. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.03.17 00:04:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:This was ignored so I'll re-post it. Sloth9230 wrote: H'mm lets see(and this is just off the top of my head)
Assault suits get 7 slots and 2 equipment slots Logistics gets 8 slots and 4-3 equipment Scouts get 6 slots and 2-3 equipments slots... but lack the CPU to use them. Heavies get 5 slots...
Clearly everything is perfectly balanced.
C'mon Crimsonmoon, explain to us all how this is balanced. /FACEPALM. If the heavy needed more slots ccp would have gave them more slots. its like that for a reason. If they give heavies 7 slots the stacked health mods would break the heavy suit. That is soooo obvious. Why am I explaining that to you? When there's a ton of scrubs like you starting threads on the forums daily, many times a day calling for heavies to be nerfed, of course they're going to listen to you and nerf them. Fewer module slots, militia ARs cut through 812 armor like butter, stupid slow rotation speed making me unable to defend myself against some ****** trying to melee me (more like dry hump), yeah, they listened to you alright, and they gave you what you want. We got neutered more ways than one. |
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