I think the new spawn system has just messed with CQC classes.

I remember getting really high scores with my Shotgun class, around 10 kills per match. Before the change.

Now I'd be lucky to get 10, let alone go positive. Everytime I engage in what should be an easy kill, there is always a large group of players waiting around the corner.

The biggest problem with the Shield/Damage orientated Assault classes is that the mods used most by them (Complex Shield Extender and Complex Damage Mods) have not yet recieved a stacking penalty.

CCP has shown us with the recent patch how easily they can change a module (Jovians/Afterburners) and get away with it. Why haven't they touched Shield or Damage mods yet?

and like i said heavy good with group

lol...another idiot makes an appearance. Run along and play with your little AR.

Obviously you're not a heavy. I'm waiting for a known heavy to come in here and tell me that Heavy suits or class in general is fine. Till then, you scrubs thinking otherwise can keep running around with your AR / shotgun thinking that heavies are fine.

If you're running Proto Assault suit + Proto AR and you lose, you're a scrub! Sorry, but you should not lose to a B series heavy.

The VK1 is just a B series with 1 extra high slot, so yeah, Proto Assault >>>>>> B series Heavy.

Sorry, but if you can't 1v1 a Heavy with your Proto AR + Proto Suit with dmg mods, you're not that good. No offense.

Even good heavies, know what I'm saying is the truth, and if these "good heavy players" think that their class is fine as is, then their egos doing the talking.

I hear what everyone has to say, but until you're a heavy your opinion, or "advice" on the matter means next to nothing.

All you do is troll heavy threads cuz I think somewhere down the line an HMG molested you. You still butthurt?

The amount of butthurt just got raised a lot.

lol says the guy who killed me once when I wasn't even shooting him, also the guy who hides behind zergs. You're not impressive, sorry. I've seen better....far better.

My crutch? You know I was the generic assault player like 90% of people are playing this game? But my corp needed a heavy, so I grew a pair, and tried another class. I've actually played all the classes in the game over the last couple builds. You? You use the ULTIMATE crutch in this game...the Assault Rifle.

The most used weapon, because it's the easiest weapon and class to use.

How about you get good, and stop hiding behind people

lol I was making a point, a very valid point, and since all you AR users replied with no real suggestions or any reason why heavies are gimped, the butthurt is all yours bud.

GG

truth.

H'mm lets see(and this is just off the top of my head)

Assault suits get 7 slots and 2 equipment slots
Logistics gets 8 slots and 4-3 equipment
Scouts get 6 slots and 2-3 equipments slots... but lack the CPU to use them.
Heavies get 5 slots...

Clearly everything is perfectly balanced.

Low level heavys need a bit of a nerf, adv and proto heavys need good buff.

#1 Armor plates and shield extenders should be a % of dropsuit base armor or shields.

How can a scout fit as much addon armor on his suit as a heavy can. Yet the slow down is % based its just assbackwards.

#2 heavy suits should gain minor health and minor base stat improvements going from mil to proto as should all suits. they should def be a little faster have slightly more stamina.

#3 they need a rework on slot capacity. No other combat suit cannot use equipment. Thus they should have lots of combat slots to work with.

mechanics for dropsuits should stack with armor plates added, this should also apply for shield extenders for its skill that is the same as mechanics for shields.

This was ignored so I'll re-post it.


C'mon Crimsonmoon, explain to us all how this is balanced.

You're not trolling anyone though, you're just flailing your arms around looking intentionally ********.

They're not complaining about kills, you're just seeing that as the only reason this thread was made which is why I call an idiot, it's clearly been stated that the gear heavies are given isn't up up to par with everyone else's but you're apparently too dense to understand that.

... your point?

quadruple stacked proto armor mods?

Are we playing the same game?

Carrying Heavy weapons = it doesn't matter how useless the Proto suit is then. Gotcha!

Exactly where do I appear butthurt? I just pointed out a lot of QQ comes from ruby.

ruby, don, crimson, and lovenewlooy nope only 4

The once warriors in DUST are nothing more now than a stale joke that heavies are faced with everyday....at least against decent / good players.

In corp matches heavies are almost useless, losing out to Proto Assault suits using Proto Assault guns or Shotgun. Doesn't even have to be a good shotgun tbh, a militia shotgun does fine these days.

So being a CQC oriented class, can someone tell me how is it balanced when a Heavy loses to an Assault Proto player 1v1 CQC? I have killed a few Proto Assault guys in a straight 1v1, but tbh everytime I do I can't help but feel that guy was bad. It's a rare occasion that it happens, when it's suppose to be the other way around. Forget shotgunners. 2 shotted from 10-15 meters away is fine right?

So what I'm saying is, we're suppose to be kings of CQC, yet chances are we lose to every other class in the very situation we're suppose to be good at. So I'm asking, what is the heavy's purpose now?

Before you say "Oh you're a scrub! If you can't kill people in a CQC with your skill cannon you're a scrub!"... Well I suggest you go up against any AR player with half a brain using a shield tanked Proto suit, and see where that gets you. Or better yet, go up against an Proto Assault suit using a shotgun... even more luck to you there.

Again I ask, if we lose in CQC situations more times than not, what is the roll of a Heavy?

I don't care how good of a heavy you think you can be, real heavies out there know what I'm talking about.

When last you saw a "HEAVIES ARE OP!!! QQ" thread? lol. I can't even remember. Weeks now...a month?

Heavies are a joke, and will continue to be a joke unless CCP buff the class in some way.

Edit: 2-Ton Twenty-One made a thread in the feedback section, Heavies that stop by here, should give it a thumbs up, and comment.

Oh... I guess that's enough reason for our Proto suit to be useless then?

You do realize it's basically Adv. Heavy Suit vs Proto everything else right? No? Of course not. You're just another one that got molested by an HMG too many times.

Who's talking about Type 2? Can't you not read?

Heavies, a support platform.. how off base could you be? It would be reasonable to call it an Av unit, because it can use the forge gun but the best description of it's role is as a defense oriented assault suit.

according to U.S. Army regulations 320-5 (AR 320-5) "heavy weapons" are all "weapons such as mortars, howitzers, guns, heavy machineguns and recoilless rifles which are usually part of infantry equipment."

As with most support units in any army, the size of a weapons platoon is generally smaller than that of its light infantry equivalent. For example, a typical light infantry platoon consists of 30 to 40 men divided in three or four squads (or sections) of 9GÇô13 men, whereas a weapons platoon substitutes the squads with smaller groups for mortar teams, machine gun crews, anti-tank teams etc.

Some platoons also include the assault element of a company. A company's weapons platoon will carry portable support weapons by sections, but also include a fast-attack light-infantry specialist squad of soldiers trained for breaching, raiding, and close combat.


A heavy weapon platoon is generally used as a support group to a number of other platoons in the immediate command area/zone in question. A ratio of one heavy platoon to three basic infantry platoons is the accepted number, anything above or below this may result in a specialised "company" such as a rifle company, or a long-range support company. The addition of a HWP (heavy weapons platoon) can greatly increase the chances of victory in a combat zone, due to the unique specialist abilities the soldiers in that group can offer to the company.

In more modern times, the application of heavy weapon support groups has been on the up. The ability to provide covering fire, and the suppression tactics of the heavy platoon mean that it is better equipped to give cover, and forms a vital component to the overall success, supporting the bulk of the company as they advance. Unlike in previous years, with the advancement in troop transportation, re-locating heavy weaponry and large quantities of ammunition is less of a problem.

If we were going to use modern military doctrine on heavy weapons then firstly CCP will have to increase HMG range beyond that of the basic assault rifle. Not something I see happening

WHAT??? HAHAHAHA

Are you saying the PS3 is limiting the range on guns due to its lack of power???

Please tell me I mistook your definition of hardware.

Cop on and actually read the last few pages. It's actual proper debate in the main, with only a few douches acting up and talking bull. Lance is getting peeved and showing it, what with some of the trolls and idiots that have been posting here, but the point that he's trying to make is valid. He just needs to take a break. How about you join in with your own well though out argument. Or is the above your best contribution.