Just had a match on Manus Peak ambush where me and three of my team mates spawned in a blaster Gunnlogi each.

It's an utterly broken game mode, one non-militia HAV is beyond what you should reasonably expect 16 randoms to be able to deal with let alone four. They're fair enough in corp/contract matches where you should expect a high level of organisation and decent AV tactics.

Until CCP come to their senses and ban all tanks in public ambushes and non-militia tanks in public skirmishes I'm going to abuse the hell out of them.

Just had a match on Manus Peak ambush where me and three of my team mates spawned in a blaster Gunnlogi each.

It's an utterly broken game mode, one non-militia HAV is beyond what you should reasonably expect 16 randoms to be able to deal with let alone four. They're fair enough in corp/contract matches where you should expect a high level of organisation and decent AV tactics.

Until CCP come to their senses and ban all tanks in public ambushes and non-militia tanks in public skirmishes I'm going to abuse the hell out of them.

lolAmbush

Where else would all these great tankers farm kills? Skirmish? lolNo, there's too many places people can kill them from.

skirmish like me.

skirmish like me.

No. Get packed av nades or better.

Redline tanking with a railgun... won't exactly call that a problem like Ambush tankers with blasters.

im for this

+1

and at the same time remove OB,s from ambush to.

I'm speaking from a Tank driver's perspective here.

AVlol.

While we're at it, let's remove those free LAVs so people can't move around the field faster or run me over. Too many times have I lost my suit due to being run over. Also, let's remove weapons too! I mean you can't reasonably expect 16 randoms to be able to do deal with a guy with a gun. Everyone should run around and slap everyone to death! But, we gotta make sure there's no skill to buff your pimp hand, otherwise that'll be OP....

There's skills for AV, Swarms, Forge Guns, etc. for a reason. If you fail to train into them, then of course you're gonna get stomped by these vehicles. These skills are there for a reason so use them! Doesn't take much to skill into decent AVs.

Want to put your money where you mouth is? Corp battle with Red Star in say 4 hours? I rpomise you we wont bring out any tanks to take your tanks out.

How about you prove your 3lit3 skillz and call down 1 militia only tank instead?

Done it proved it
the rest no to shut it !

milltia tanks are better then standard and pro tanks.

Are you missing my point? I'm not saying tanks are broken, I'm saying that them being allowed in random public matches is broken.

How about you prove your 3lit3 skillz and call down 1 militia only tank instead?

That's the thing, I'm not a great tank pilot and I don't have to stick to militia tanks in public matches.

I'm not boasting about elite skills here, I'm saying being able to spawn in tanks in public ambush is stupid.

The map sizes really aggravate the problem, as once one side has tanks on the field their opponents will almost never be able to call in one of their own without themselves or the RDV getting taken out during the delivery.

I've seen HAVs doing laps around the map, and some of them are fast enough to do a complete circuit in the time it would take to call something in.

That's the thing, I'm not a great tank pilot and I don't have to stick to militia tanks in public matches.

I'm not boasting about elite skills here, I'm saying being able to spawn in tanks in public ambush is stupid.

The map sizes really aggravate the problem, as once one side has tanks on the field their opponents will almost never be able to call in one of their own without themselves or the RDV getting taken out during the delivery.

I've seen HAVs doing laps around the map, and some of them are fast enough to do a complete circuit in the time it would take to call something in.

No, they don't need to ban tanks from pub matches. They just need to give the more "serious" players some alternative to pub stomping that is more fun and more incentivized.

How is calling in tanks dishonest? they risked their isk investments so they could win, there's nothing dishonest or wrong about that, this is a game about risk vs reward, they risked their tanks for the reward of winning

Hold the heck on. I'm a heavy with an AV fitting, I've stepped into my own share of pub matches with randoms and even some skilled people with tanks. I annihilated them (Swarm Launchers) generally very easily. So saying that it's "Not Fair" is moot, when I get put into random matches all the time, with tank drivers. Especially now that the general community has gotten better at this game, using vehicles in particular.

I hate to break it to you, but if you solo annihilated a tank with a swarm launcher they were really poorly fit tanks, or incredibly bad drivers. A proper tank will take multiple AV threats to be in any real danger. The problem isn't really with how strong the tanks are, but generally just the lack of coordinated AV efforts.

I hate to break it to you, but if you solo annihilated a tank with a swarm launcher they were really poorly fit tanks, or incredibly bad drivers. A proper tank will take multiple AV threats to be in any real danger. The problem isn't really with how strong the tanks are, but generally just the lack of coordinated AV efforts.

There should be a tank free sever list. Only pussies use tanks. Dust is not panning out to be what was promised. The maps are too small to warrant large scale warfare. How come tanks only need one person to be effective but it takes several AV users to kill the tank.I want an AV weapon i can pop 1 million isk into that nukes tanks in one shot. What kind of person feels the need to bring such an imbalance into a game to fight other players? Seriously several thousand armor and shields and over powered guns to slaughter people.

Dust is going to become a world of tanks rip off in no time and them they will lose the 90% that started playing because they wanted infantry combat.

Coming from a guy in the corp with #1 deployer of tanks.....

Said guy also posted a Nerf tanks thread in feedback and requests if i remember correctly, and as said before its a tank its sole purpose is to **** the enemy up and make life difficult for him, they're about the single most expensive thing to run in this game, so it makes sense that they're one of the most dangerous

9/10 times I just leave ambush games when the other team brings in high-tier tanks.
It's a waste of my time/effort/money to try and take them out, so I just leave. They're obscene in pub matches.

9/10 times I just leave ambush games when the other team brings in their high-tier Protosuits and Weapons. Its a waste of time/effort/money to try and take them out so I just leave, like a b'itch. They're pretty obscene in pub matches.

See me and you are very much alike, we both hate anything remotely challenging and would rather stick to pubstomling the newberries

What an absolute nonsense rebuttal.

Everyone knows that calling in an ADV tank in ambush is the absolute easiest of easy modes. It's pubstomping taken to the extreme.

OTOH, managing to live long enough in an AV fitting (with little to no anti-infantry firepower) to do 10,000+ dmg to the fastest moving target on the field is a herculean and expensive effort.

Sure, a squad of 4 well coordinated AVers can take out a tank if they get lucky with their spawn, but compared to how extra super pussified and easy it is to call in a tank and dominate as a one man wrecking crew, it just isn't worth the effort.

If you want to berate people for sticking to pubstomping newberries, at least point your weak fallacies at the real pubstompers: the tank drivers.

As for your slippery slope falacy about protosuits and weapons, yeah, if you do that you're also a pubstomper. At least you don't have 10,000 HP and can be killed with the same weapons that kill everyone else. Too many times I've seen supposed "good" players who rely on expensive gear get cocky about their win, when they're afraid to put on gear that matches the payout levels of the match for fear of losing to other players of equal skill. It's pathetic.

This post was filled with so much fail, I find it hard to take seriously.

1.) I don't care about pubstompers...at all. They want to bring out the good gear to win it's all good on them. How can you call someone a p'ussy for bringing out the gear to earn them the win, while you run around in Militia gear and calling it unfair. HTFU.

2.) My post was simply and quite obviously exaggerated and sarcastic enough for anyone to with a brain to get the point that quitting because you've been faced with a challenge on the opposing team is pathetic. Quitting because a tank is on the other team is no different than quitting because they were using protogear or weapons or facing a squad of top corp players. Basically you trying to justify quitting bt saying it's not the worth effort is admitting that you'd rather stick to the stuff that is easy mode, which for you is stomping the new berries in their militia gear and no advanced HAV'S allowed. HTFU.

3.) That post of yours was more of a rant against your obvious distaste of tanks and those that like to use their good gear to win. Lol. STFU. (S=Smarten)

Welcome to New Eden

I do think it's a weak move to call in high-end tanks in a pubmatch, and then act like you've accomplished anything other than calling in a tank. If you want to call it in and admit that you can't win without it, or that you enjoy pub stomping, that's fine. But don't pretend it's some skillfull, well balanced maneuver that shows off your skill as an FPS player. That's just silly.

The problem isn't the tanks it's the map sizes and the spawns in ambush that are the problem

Um....so.....no.

HTFU

Just had a match on Manus Peak ambush where me and three of my team mates spawned in a blaster Gunnlogi each.

It's an utterly broken game mode, one non-militia HAV is beyond what you should reasonably expect 16 randoms to be able to deal with let alone four. They're fair enough in corp/contract matches where you should expect a high level of organisation and decent AV tactics.

Until CCP come to their senses and ban all tanks in public ambushes and non-militia tanks in public skirmishes I'm going to abuse the hell out of them.

On the flipside, I can see that if you put all of your SP into tanks, you would want to use them.

But there is no reason that a technology wouldn't exist in New Eden that would jam RDV guidance systems so that tanks could not be deployed.

How about a compromise? Make it so that when you go to choose a match you can see if RDV jamming is in place on a particular district. Allow players to choose matches accordingly. But make the ISK payout for the RDV jammed districts lower.

Why should I as a tank driver be limited and not able to play my game because some blueberry is tired of getting killed by tanks? That is unreasonable and selfish.

I will let you have your ambush without tanks if I can have skirmish without swarms and forges.

Stalemate. Or a slippery slope. Because then what is to keep us from taking the next step, which would be GEK free matches. And sniper free matches. And module free matches. And so on.

It is like we keep going in circles on this sort of thing. But what still seems really off to me is that the introductory part of the game, Instant battle, has low risk and nothing but reward. At least right now.

So on second thought, putting up arbitrary boundaries between different styles of play is not the way forward. But right now in beta pub stomping is the most profitable way to go about playing. That is something that is a huge detriment to the game as a whole and there need to be other options.

I'll tell you what the answer is. You try playing EVe and fight against a guy who has been playing for years and tell me what happens.

CCP laughs at whiny noobs. It's all over the forums, go ahead and look.

The ""____ kills me therfore you should nerf it" is not how CCP does things

The fix seems...Kinda simple actually. If FW and largely in depth Galactic conquest gameplay gets added, then corps will look for the guys who can use tanks and people with tanks will migrate to the FW/Galactic conquest Corp vs. Corp stuff. This will free up the instanced battles for those who like them, and occassionally a pub stomper. This will cause a migration from the pub-stomping (Tryhard) tank drivers from pubs, to...Galactic warfare. Of course districts will have to be super-sized and such, but thats another topic.

People just need to learn how to deal with tanks. Personally i deal with them fast and hard. even faster if i have a squad with me

This is to the first quote.


Have you even driven a tank before? Why the hell do people assume its easy mode?

For me using an AR is easy mode.

Really? You think it will take 16 randoms to kill 1 madrugar? Are you really that ignorant?

It takes 1 good AV player that has fully spec'd AV and knows how to use it to kill a tank. ESPECIALLY in ambush.

One might say, "that's so much sp to fully put into AV"

Well, for a even half decent fit tank they've put a couple mill more sp into it then for your full proto AV weapons.


I can't understand why people think you should be able to solo tanks, has this game went into the toilet that far that when someone has to put 5+ mill sp into one thing, tank, that it should be solo able? Shouldn't it take at least half a team to take it down?

You put 2 fully spec'd AV guys in ambush with a Surya, Surya is toast.

Yet here we are catering to the 90% player base of AR users. Who who'd rather see tanks and other things their weapons can't deal with simply removed or nerfed.

Tanks should be a game changer, its like dropping a carrier to support your BS fleet.....well carriers rep, but you getmthe meaning.


Right now, tanks are simply free points to people who know how to use AV.

In the first build ever ever, tanks were hard to kill. It took almost the entire team.

Then tanks got a major Nerf. Look at the current weapons for tanks, railguns have horrible splash, even railgun installations have a better system, missiles are simply broke, blasters used to be garbage and no one used them, now its the only thing functioning. Tank HP got cut down,

Then AV got a buff.

There are so many problems in the AV vs Vehicle department that CCP should feel like they failed somewhere along the line in that department, and honestly must not play their game much.

So now you want tanks out of ambush? Are you kidding me, thankfully for the time being dust is still called DUST 514

Not

AR DUST 514, The Only Way to be Certain.

Your exactly right, 2 good AV specialised infantry can outright obliterate any tank, but then again a squad utilising militia gear is more than enough to neutralise (kill or scare off) most tanks.

A good tank requires 2mill+ of SP and a mill of ISK to deploy and can be killed using much more accessible gear, the problem is people complain because they can't be bothered to try attacking it.

But the biggest problem is the people who try attacking tanks, I see alot of good tankers use the gunnlogi, they are heavily shielded and therefore resistant to AV grenades and swarm launchers so people assume therefore all tanks are OP rather than trying flux grenades or forge guns against them which will make short work of them.

+1 finally someone who gets it, welcome to the 10%

There should be a tank free sever list. Only pussies use tanks. Dust is not panning out to be what was promised. The maps are too small to warrant large scale warfare. How come tanks only need one person to be effective but it takes several AV users to kill the tank.I want an AV weapon i can pop 1 million isk into that nukes tanks in one shot. What kind of person feels the need to bring such an imbalance into a game to fight other players? Seriously several thousand armor and shields and over powered guns to slaughter people.

Dust is going to become a world of tanks rip off in no time and them they will lose the 90% that started playing because they wanted infantry combat.

Yeah you're right and while were at it ban assault rifles because anyone using one can Pwn any group of ransoms if they are even slightly good

Well I'm a tanker and proud, Ive had games where no one bothers going AV swell as others where over half the opposing team is targeting me.

Tanks are a big, slow, unmaneouverable target with less expensive range than their weakness (swarms, forge guns and rail guns) and yet ppl complain which is even worse to tankers as the military gear is extremely effective even against standard tanks.

Next the forum nerf squad should target nova knifes since they more effective than AR at point blank range lol
This games got rock paper scissor aspects to it or put simply... Infantry beats AV infantry, AV infantry beats vehicles, vehicles beats infantry.

But I really hate that swarmers and AV grenades are the most utilised form of AV even against the shielded tanks and that needs to stop.... People should really learn to forge gun and flux grenade them for easy kills.

And if people are still complaining then spec AV or call in your own tank to kill theirs.

While CCPs at it why don't they just save themselves some time and ban violence, but then you'd still get smurfs posting that peace is OP

Rofl this^
Just to be sure u know I was sarcastic right?

Of course, hence the sarcastic continuation lol.

Have you even driven a tank before? Why the hell do people assume its easy mode?

For me using an AR is easy mode.
.

Where else will we wannabe tankers train to crush your feeble infantry in skirmish then?

Well, at least they are a counter to heavies. And In the "Remove Heavies from Ambush" thread I argued that they should stay. Just wish I saw a tank every once in a while when I had my AV character running.

Also, missile tanks, not so great against infantry, much better against other tanks. So if you want to level the playing field get your anti tank tank going. And blow up all of those anti infantry tanks.

I guess that's what explains how tank drivers have the highest KDRs then

Because you only lose 1 every few games,

You still lose the isk,

Kdr doesn't matter.

Your not going to drop enough tanks in one match to ruin kdr.

My point is....if ARs are easy mode then how come the tankers don't die as much and still **** the battlefield?

Not arguing about importance of KDR in dust. I'm just saying that ARs can't be easy mode when the tankers are doing better as far as KDR is concerned. Mr. Zitro's KDR is like 25, right? Sir Meode's is like 17, Exmaple's is 11, etc.......you don't see any AR guy with numbers comparable those.

My point is....if ARs are easy mode then how come the tankers don't die as much and still **** the battlefield?

Not arguing about importance of KDR in dust. I'm just saying that ARs can't be easy mode when the tankers are doing better as far as KDR is concerned. Mr. Zitro's KDR is like 25, right? Sir Meode's is like 17, Exmaple's is 11, etc.......you don't see any AR guy with numbers comparable those.

Whoever says AR's are easy mode is just shooting crap out of their mouths. I'd like to see these morons use an AR instead of their laser rifle, HMG, or HAV and consistently put up good numbers against people who actually know how to aim. If this game ever went Pro Circuit, I guarantee none of these people would ever be able to compete gun on gun with MLG pros who've been using Assault rifles in various games for years.

Whoever says its not compared to tank driving is shooting crap out.

AR is easy when you know how to aim.

You also don't have to multi task, did you even read my above post girlfriend?

When you say it's easy if you know how to aim is very vague and not a very good argument

Every gun is easy in this game if you know how to aim. Am I wrong?

However learning to Aim with AR definitely requires a greater degree of skill compared to the other weapons in the game.

Also, it really is not that easy to solo a tank, no matter how upgraded. THe tankers that do well always have support. If the rest of your team hangs you out to dry and the other team grabs even a few starter AV fits and your team doesn't shoot them dead, you can die farily quickly. More quickly in a shield tank. But still, as in everything else in this game, teamwork is key.

But as my above post says,

With AR all you have to do is aim and take cover.

The original comment was between the difficulty between using an AR or driving a tank.

I'm not saying AR is simple, but it is easier then driving a tank.

As above,

Tank has to worry about position, hardners, reps, all the mods,

Then you have swarms coming for you at long range from several spots, forge gunners who are hard to spot, don't know who's AV or not or who has AV grenades, and the entire enemy team is aware of your presence and focus's on killing you specifically.

Where as AR you aim, take cover, stay with team mates and no one is really hunting just you, they're going for your team.

Like I said, tank is a target for the whole other team, you have a lot to worry about, for me personally,

Playing AR is far more relaxing then driving a tank.

I can respect this post, I have only driven Militia tanks so I can't really say what is more relaxing or not. What I can say is that running an assault build isn't as relaxing as you make out to be. We have our problems down here on the ground as well, snipers, laser rifles, Running into HMG's, tanks, and the random enemy spawning behind us. Yup, Unless we're running with a well built squad we're constantly on our toes.

My brother is AR only and working on a 11.0 kdr, have you seen regnyums?

A tank should get at least 10 kills per game before death, that's a 10 point, its also a million isk loss.

With an AR I almost always go 15/0 or 15/2 with my gek or more.

Its very easy because I don't have to multi task as much as the tank, worry about hardners, reps, swarms, forge, ect,


Where as with my AR, I see an enemy and kill, I surround myself with team mates, and there isn't a whole team dedicating themselves to specifically kill me.

That's why AR is easy mode.

dunno about this ^^ relaxing/easymode AR/Tank detour ........

-Chiming in to say, that I clicked on this thread for lols "nerf tanks QQ"

-but after reading Kesi Raae Kaae's responses, and the disscussions from others afterwards...... Damnit. I agree.

I do think that eventual iterations on FW and giving players bigger fish to fry will free up pub matches from roflstomping, but in the meantime, Vehicle-free ambush would be pretty nice. No tank nerf needed.

Yep, and the thing is 90% of these kids wanting nerfs have never even used a tank. Just assume they must be OP.

The tanks themselves don't need nerfing, I think they're fine for serious battles and an organized corp can take them out without breaking their stride.

What's not fine is how easy it is to pubstomp in one, especially in public ambushes where you don't come across any organised resistance. It's why I use them in public matches.

Now I could do the honourable thing and not use tanks in public matches, but when a game has an abusable mechanic it should be up to the developer to address the issue rather than hope the player base will play nice.

9/10 times I just leave ambush games when the other team brings in their high-tier Protosuits and Weapons. Its a waste of time/effort/money to try and take them out so I just leave, like a b'itch. They're pretty obscene in pub matches.

See me and you are very much alike, we both hate anything remotely challenging and would rather stick to pubstomling the newberries

lucky you, whenever i use tanks i hav atleast 4 people trying to kill me at any given time, ive had matches of chase the Madruger where ive gone 2-0 due to squads swarmin me every 2 secs.

yeah people think tanks are easy mode but they really not, its stressful knowin you can b killed quickly from outside your range at any second while also maintaining your active mods and helping your team win. this complexity of multitasking is what makes tanking fun.

with this game you get what you pay for, if tanks are OP, then nut up and upgrade ur AV weapon and armour and youll soon realise your 1mill SP and 100k ISK will bring fear to any tank on any game mode as you will become the OP AV specialist.

oh and this games not about KDR its about WINNING, my KDR is about 18ish and i dont care about it at all... why you may ask, well i die ALOT due 2 spawning into siamese fattys wielding HMGs and also ill happily wreck my tank in order to secure a win.