DUST Search - Ban tanks from public Ambush

gbghg wrote:

Veritas Vitae wrote:

WR3CK HAVOC wrote:

There should be a tank free sever list. Only pussies use tanks. Dust is not panning out to be what was promised. The maps are too small to warrant large scale warfare. How come tanks only need one person to be effective but it takes several AV users to kill the tank.I want an AV weapon i can pop 1 million isk into that nukes tanks in one shot. What kind of person feels the need to bring such an imbalance into a game to fight other players? Seriously several thousand armor and shields and over powered guns to slaughter people.

Dust is going to become a world of tanks rip off in no time and them they will lose the 90% that started playing because they wanted infantry combat.

Coming from a guy in the corp with #1 deployer of tanks.....

Said guy also posted a Nerf tanks thread in feedback and requests if i remember correctly, and as said before its a tank its sole purpose is to **** the enemy up and make life difficult for him, they're about the single most expensive thing to run in this game, so it makes sense that they're one of the most dangerous

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Re-FLeX Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 152	Posted - 2013.02.22 21:57:00 - [31] - Quote If you hate tanks so much just spec 500k sp into a madrugar and go teamkill them
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.22 22:00:00 - [32] - Quote Maybe not ban them all together but limit it to one tank a side? If people don't use AV then on their own heads be it.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 102	Posted - 2013.02.22 23:59:00 - [33] - Quote It wont happen I mean its how STB got known as tankers Recently On the Brink like to drop 3 tanks, they do it on all modes when in ther squad, espc in ambush where ppl dont spawn as AV if they are not in a safe place so its easy wins but they get creamed on skirmish since ppl have time to change to AV or drop in a tank of ther own
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 441	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:02:00 - [34] - Quote Limit HMG's in ambush matches. No? Tanks stay.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:03:00 - [35] - Quote No, they don't need to ban tanks from pub matches. They just need to give the more "serious" players some alternative to pub stomping that is more fun and more incentivized.
Rasputin La'Gar Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 28	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:39:00 - [36] - Quote Let me guess, these were negative-feedback? I always see them do things like that
Bruce3 Wayne3 Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 10	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:40:00 - [37] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: The map sizes really aggravate the problem, as once one side has tanks on the field their opponents will almost never be able to call in one of their own without themselves or the RDV getting taken out during the delivery. I've seen HAVs doing laps around the map, and some of them are fast enough to do a complete circuit in the time it would take to call something in. Tanks may be big and scary but its always possible to call in a tank if ur smart, yh u may get damaged but you can always repair, afterall theirs always 1 noble AV smurf on each team so likely chance its a unfair fight but not necessarily against your team.
Rasputin La'Gar Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 28	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:44:00 - [38] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: No, they don't need to ban tanks from pub matches. They just need to give the more "serious" players some alternative to pub stomping that is more fun and more incentivized. One time I saw a squad of PFB, an imp and 2 planetary response on the opposing team. It was a close fight with us barely winning until 3 tanks got called in simultaneously, they ended up winning with 8 clones left If they were serious they would've dug their feet in and found a more honest way to win
Pompeius Maximus Mandalorian's 3	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:45:00 - [39] - Quote Quite frankly, the real problem is that with Ambush you can't find a good place to call in a tank without having it destroyed by either another tank or a few dedicated AV suits. This might not seem like a bad thing at first (if you lose a tank, then you bloody well lost a tank, right?) but once one team gets a tank (if there's a decent driver inside) it's really hard to just take out your own and deal with it. Of course, spawning issues should be the number one issue that CCP deals with. Once they figure that out, it should be a piece of cake to deal with that, right?
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 375	Posted - 2013.02.23 00:48:00 - [40] - Quote How is calling in tanks dishonest? they risked their isk investments so they could win, there's nothing dishonest or wrong about that, this is a game about risk vs reward, they risked their tanks for the reward of winning

Bruce3 Wayne3 Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 10	Posted - 2013.02.23 01:07:00 - [41] - Quote gbghg wrote: How is calling in tanks dishonest? they risked their isk investments so they could win, there's nothing dishonest or wrong about that, this is a game about risk vs reward, they risked their tanks for the reward of winning considering a decent tank is worth much more than the usual reward of battle its a very big risk, then if they play aggressively to help secure the win then its reducing their survival rate thus they deserve the reward.
WR3CK HAVOC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 11	Posted - 2013.02.23 02:32:00 - [42] - Quote There should be a tank free sever list. Only pussies use tanks. Dust is not panning out to be what was promised. The maps are too small to warrant large scale warfare. How come tanks only need one person to be effective but it takes several AV users to kill the tank.I want an AV weapon i can pop 1 million isk into that nukes tanks in one shot. What kind of person feels the need to bring such an imbalance into a game to fight other players? Seriously several thousand armor and shields and over powered guns to slaughter people. Dust is going to become a world of tanks rip off in no time and them they will lose the 90% that started playing because they wanted infantry combat.
Soght Toi Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 14	Posted - 2013.02.23 03:44:00 - [43] - Quote Hold the heck on. I'm a heavy with an AV fitting, I've stepped into my own share of pub matches with randoms and even some skilled people with tanks. I annihilated them (Swarm Launchers) generally very easily. So saying that it's "Not Fair" is moot, when I get put into random matches all the time, with tank drivers. Especially now that the general community has gotten better at this game, using vehicles in particular.
Deadeyes Anterie Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION 269	Posted - 2013.02.23 08:12:00 - [44] - Quote Soght Toi wrote: Hold the heck on. I'm a heavy with an AV fitting, I've stepped into my own share of pub matches with randoms and even some skilled people with tanks. I annihilated them (Swarm Launchers) generally very easily. So saying that it's "Not Fair" is moot, when I get put into random matches all the time, with tank drivers. Especially now that the general community has gotten better at this game, using vehicles in particular. I hate to break it to you, but if you solo annihilated a tank with a swarm launcher they were really poorly fit tanks, or incredibly bad drivers. A proper tank will take multiple AV threats to be in any real danger. The problem isn't really with how strong the tanks are, but generally just the lack of coordinated AV efforts.
myBad Furry Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2013.02.23 08:42:00 - [45] - Quote Deadeyes Anterie wrote: Soght Toi wrote: Hold the heck on. I'm a heavy with an AV fitting, I've stepped into my own share of pub matches with randoms and even some skilled people with tanks. I annihilated them (Swarm Launchers) generally very easily. So saying that it's "Not Fair" is moot, when I get put into random matches all the time, with tank drivers. Especially now that the general community has gotten better at this game, using vehicles in particular. I hate to break it to you, but if you solo annihilated a tank with a swarm launcher they were really poorly fit tanks, or incredibly bad drivers. A proper tank will take multiple AV threats to be in any real danger. The problem isn't really with how strong the tanks are, but generally just the lack of coordinated AV efforts. I hate to break it to you !!! A player with alot of sp in SL running the a KILL drop suit fit Vsing a armor tank the rite way can kill it in 4 shots or less ! even a pro fit armor tank will die fast . but vsing a shield it will take alot more unless you use a forgun with sp and the kill fit and be smart about it a pro shield tank will died fast in 3-4 shots or less its not that im trying to back keep tanks in i just see something thats not true and needs a fix but i will say Tanks need to stay out i mean look in a random game it plays out like thid some one calls a tank then 3 more are called in and that team wins 85% of the time and as far as randoms go thats to hi and the pups that join them 75% dont know what AV is or do not have AV skills so you get forum posts about how tanks are OP they need nerf and all that needs to be fix is not letting them in to ambush .
Bucktooth Badger Buck's Intergalactic Pawn Shop 65	Posted - 2013.02.23 11:10:00 - [46] - Quote As a few people have mentioned previously, I don't think the issue is about allowing or not allowing tanks into a random game, I think the issue is the spawning of Ambush, I have a dedicated AV fit that is quite effective on Skirmish, maybe not destroying higher range tanks at the moment but enough to chase them to the edges of the map. However, if I use that fit on Ambush, you can pretty much guarentee I'll either spawn right in the middle of a group of reds (usually HMGs) & get completely annhilated with only my sidearm for protection OR I spawn so far away, that I'm either taken out by the red snipers before I can find out which direction I'm facing or by the time I reach the battle, my teams clones have been eliminated. My personal feeling is that Ambush needs a complete reworking, and definitely away from the random team deathmatch style that it is now. Also, removing the random squads from games has really messed the flow of the game & significantly reduced the OBs in a game now - a fairly decent AV weapon as well as Anti-Infantry. My suggestion would have been to remove pre-made squads from the public matches, and only have random squads. That way there wouldn't have been any pub stomping etc. ... On a slight tangent, it's amusing to see the Tanks are OP threads starting to pop up now. For the last few weeks it was Swarms are OP etc as the tankers could only afford poorly fitted tanks & now they can afford serious tanks which are awesome & devastate the game, people are crying that they're now OP. That's the circle of life folks! Once the AVers get up to standard & we're all running similar levels of advanced levels of kit, then it actually comes down to skill of the players. Ummmm sorry for the mini-rant, I only wanted to say the spawning is the issue not the tanks themselves. But fingers ran away from me.
Soght Toi Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 14	Posted - 2013.02.23 17:33:00 - [47] - Quote Deadeyes Anterie wrote: Soght Toi wrote: Hold the heck on. I'm a heavy with an AV fitting, I've stepped into my own share of pub matches with randoms and even some skilled people with tanks. I annihilated them (Swarm Launchers) generally very easily. So saying that it's "Not Fair" is moot, when I get put into random matches all the time, with tank drivers. Especially now that the general community has gotten better at this game, using vehicles in particular. I hate to break it to you, but if you solo annihilated a tank with a swarm launcher they were really poorly fit tanks, or incredibly bad drivers. A proper tank will take multiple AV threats to be in any real danger. The problem isn't really with how strong the tanks are, but generally just the lack of coordinated AV efforts. You're probably right, most players weren't aware of just how sick vehicles were going to be but...Honestly, no other game has even TRIED to balance them, so I knew that with CCP I was going to need an AV fitting that could fight them. I also believe that most players (Including some of those posting here) think that as soon as one hops into a tank, it's game over and there's absolutely NO way to get around it. What they don't know is that most tank fittings...Suck. And that if they ran a half-decent AV fitting, they could wreck the HAV drivers day, not to mention his ISK funds.
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.02.23 17:42:00 - [48] - Quote I enjoy blowing tanks to smithereens in Ambush. Why would you want to take my fun away. ;-;
Veritas Vitae Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 34	Posted - 2013.02.23 18:21:00 - [49] - Quote WR3CK HAVOC wrote: There should be a tank free sever list. Only pussies use tanks. Dust is not panning out to be what was promised. The maps are too small to warrant large scale warfare. How come tanks only need one person to be effective but it takes several AV users to kill the tank.I want an AV weapon i can pop 1 million isk into that nukes tanks in one shot. What kind of person feels the need to bring such an imbalance into a game to fight other players? Seriously several thousand armor and shields and over powered guns to slaughter people. Dust is going to become a world of tanks rip off in no time and them they will lose the 90% that started playing because they wanted infantry combat. Coming from a guy in the corp with #1 deployer of tanks.....
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 375	Posted - 2013.02.23 18:32:00 - [50] - Quote Veritas Vitae wrote: WR3CK HAVOC wrote: There should be a tank free sever list. Only pussies use tanks. Dust is not panning out to be what was promised. The maps are too small to warrant large scale warfare. How come tanks only need one person to be effective but it takes several AV users to kill the tank.I want an AV weapon i can pop 1 million isk into that nukes tanks in one shot. What kind of person feels the need to bring such an imbalance into a game to fight other players? Seriously several thousand armor and shields and over powered guns to slaughter people. Dust is going to become a world of tanks rip off in no time and them they will lose the 90% that started playing because they wanted infantry combat. Coming from a guy in the corp with #1 deployer of tanks..... Said guy also posted a Nerf tanks thread in feedback and requests if i remember correctly, and as said before its a tank its sole purpose is to **** the enemy up and make life difficult for him, they're about the single most expensive thing to run in this game, so it makes sense that they're one of the most dangerous

myBad Furry Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2013.02.23 18:33:00 - [51] - Quote gbghg wrote: Veritas Vitae wrote: WR3CK HAVOC wrote: There should be a tank free sever list. Only pussies use tanks. Dust is not panning out to be what was promised. The maps are too small to warrant large scale warfare. How come tanks only need one person to be effective but it takes several AV users to kill the tank.I want an AV weapon i can pop 1 million isk into that nukes tanks in one shot. What kind of person feels the need to bring such an imbalance into a game to fight other players? Seriously several thousand armor and shields and over powered guns to slaughter people. Dust is going to become a world of tanks rip off in no time and them they will lose the 90% that started playing because they wanted infantry combat. Coming from a guy in the corp with #1 deployer of tanks..... Said guy also posted a Nerf tanks thread in feedback and requests if i remember correctly, and as said before its a tank its sole purpose is to **** the enemy up and make life difficult for him, they're about the single most expensive thing to run in this game, so it makes sense that they're one of the most dangerous Hay yeah i saw that post to
Atlas Exenthal mnemonic. 30	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:13:00 - [52] - Quote 9/10 times I just leave ambush games when the other team brings in high-tier tanks. It's a waste of my time/effort/money to try and take them out, so I just leave. They're obscene in pub matches.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 375	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:21:00 - [53] - Quote The problem isn't the tanks it's the map sizes and the spawns in ambush that are the problem
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:22:00 - [54] - Quote Just give tanks ammo, seriously what the **** is with that logic. We have nanohives. Lasers should use no ammo, just like in eve, only over hat with massive overheat damage. Missile tanks shouldn't have unlimited ammo, that's just dumb.
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 326	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:33:00 - [55] - Quote Atlas Exenthal wrote: 9/10 times I just leave ambush games when the other team brings in high-tier tanks. It's a waste of my time/effort/money to try and take them out, so I just leave. They're obscene in pub matches. 9/10 times I just leave ambush games when the other team brings in their high-tier Protosuits and Weapons. Its a waste of time/effort/money to try and take them out so I just leave, like a b'itch. They're pretty obscene in pub matches. See me and you are very much alike, we both hate anything remotely challenging and would rather stick to pubstomling the newberries
SIeepy Zan Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 34	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:51:00 - [56] - Quote There really should be an option for a vehicle free ambush just like OMS
GetShotUp UnReaL. 85	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:53:00 - [57] - Quote Hmm, it is a bit unfair, BUT what will happen to all of the tankers in Ambush? They might quit the game because of the ownage they'll receive. Its discouraging. We'll lose a lot of the "top players" in this game.....LOL
Kesi Raae Kaae Much Crying Old Experts 40	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:54:00 - [58] - Quote 9/10 times I use logical fallacies rather than engage in proper discussion.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.02.23 20:09:00 - [59] - Quote IRuby Heart wrote: Atlas Exenthal wrote: 9/10 times I just leave ambush games when the other team brings in high-tier tanks. It's a waste of my time/effort/money to try and take them out, so I just leave. They're obscene in pub matches. 9/10 times I just leave ambush games when the other team brings in their high-tier Protosuits and Weapons. Its a waste of time/effort/money to try and take them out so I just leave, like a b'itch. They're pretty obscene in pub matches. See me and you are very much alike, we both hate anything remotely challenging and would rather stick to pubstomling the newberries What an absolute nonsense rebuttal. Everyone knows that calling in an ADV tank in ambush is the absolute easiest of easy modes. It's pubstomping taken to the extreme. OTOH, managing to live long enough in an AV fitting (with little to no anti-infantry firepower) to do 10,000+ dmg to the fastest moving target on the field is a herculean and expensive effort. Sure, a squad of 4 well coordinated AVers can take out a tank if they get lucky with their spawn, but compared to how extra super pussified and easy it is to call in a tank and dominate as a one man wrecking crew, it just isn't worth the effort. If you want to berate people for sticking to pubstomping newberries, at least point your weak fallacies at the real pubstompers: the tank drivers. As for your slippery slope falacy about protosuits and weapons, yeah, if you do that you're also a pubstomper. At least you don't have 10,000 HP and can be killed with the same weapons that kill everyone else. Too many times I've seen supposed "good" players who rely on expensive gear get cocky about their win, when they're afraid to put on gear that matches the payout levels of the match for fear of losing to other players of equal skill. It's pathetic.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2013.02.23 20:48:00 - [60] - Quote Ok, well I had a pub game against zdowgg of STB & squad vs a squad of SI. zdowgg has a beast Surya. My full squad had a good forge, 3 sets of AV nades, and 3 swarmers. I also called in a Soma. The ability to drive right up to me, through 50 yards of open ground, destroy our whole group was a little shocking. Especially when he simply reversed back though the open ground still under fire. The problem is that a fully Proto tank will just roll around all but invincible. Most due to lower skilled players being unable to bring significant DPS, even with a full AV fit (basic swarms, av nades and RE for example). I still feel a return of the optional meta limit on matches would be a great improvement for the poor souls going 0-10. It would also increase the value of lower tier items. Coop PvE would be a different story, with Proto players helping the lower SP guys. Bring on the meta limit!



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