What an absolute nonsense rebuttal.

Everyone knows that calling in an ADV tank in ambush is the absolute easiest of easy modes. It's pubstomping taken to the extreme.

OTOH, managing to live long enough in an AV fitting (with little to no anti-infantry firepower) to do 10,000+ dmg to the fastest moving target on the field is a herculean and expensive effort.

Sure, a squad of 4 well coordinated AVers can take out a tank if they get lucky with their spawn, but compared to how extra super pussified and easy it is to call in a tank and dominate as a one man wrecking crew, it just isn't worth the effort.

If you want to berate people for sticking to pubstomping newberries, at least point your weak fallacies at the real pubstompers: the tank drivers.

As for your slippery slope falacy about protosuits and weapons, yeah, if you do that you're also a pubstomper. At least you don't have 10,000 HP and can be killed with the same weapons that kill everyone else. Too many times I've seen supposed "good" players who rely on expensive gear get cocky about their win, when they're afraid to put on gear that matches the payout levels of the match for fear of losing to other players of equal skill. It's pathetic.

This post was filled with so much fail, I find it hard to take seriously.

1.) I don't care about pubstompers...at all. They want to bring out the good gear to win it's all good on them. How can you call someone a p'ussy for bringing out the gear to earn them the win, while you run around in Militia gear and calling it unfair. HTFU.

2.) My post was simply and quite obviously exaggerated and sarcastic enough for anyone to with a brain to get the point that quitting because you've been faced with a challenge on the opposing team is pathetic. Quitting because a tank is on the other team is no different than quitting because they were using protogear or weapons or facing a squad of top corp players. Basically you trying to justify quitting bt saying it's not the worth effort is admitting that you'd rather stick to the stuff that is easy mode, which for you is stomping the new berries in their militia gear and no advanced HAV'S allowed. HTFU.

3.) That post of yours was more of a rant against your obvious distaste of tanks and those that like to use their good gear to win. Lol. STFU. (S=Smarten)

Welcome to New Eden

I do think it's a weak move to call in high-end tanks in a pubmatch, and then act like you've accomplished anything other than calling in a tank. If you want to call it in and admit that you can't win without it, or that you enjoy pub stomping, that's fine. But don't pretend it's some skillfull, well balanced maneuver that shows off your skill as an FPS player. That's just silly.

The problem isn't the tanks it's the map sizes and the spawns in ambush that are the problem

Um....so.....no.

HTFU

Just had a match on Manus Peak ambush where me and three of my team mates spawned in a blaster Gunnlogi each.

It's an utterly broken game mode, one non-militia HAV is beyond what you should reasonably expect 16 randoms to be able to deal with let alone four. They're fair enough in corp/contract matches where you should expect a high level of organisation and decent AV tactics.

Until CCP come to their senses and ban all tanks in public ambushes and non-militia tanks in public skirmishes I'm going to abuse the hell out of them.

On the flipside, I can see that if you put all of your SP into tanks, you would want to use them.

But there is no reason that a technology wouldn't exist in New Eden that would jam RDV guidance systems so that tanks could not be deployed.

How about a compromise? Make it so that when you go to choose a match you can see if RDV jamming is in place on a particular district. Allow players to choose matches accordingly. But make the ISK payout for the RDV jammed districts lower.

Why should I as a tank driver be limited and not able to play my game because some blueberry is tired of getting killed by tanks? That is unreasonable and selfish.

I will let you have your ambush without tanks if I can have skirmish without swarms and forges.

Stalemate. Or a slippery slope. Because then what is to keep us from taking the next step, which would be GEK free matches. And sniper free matches. And module free matches. And so on.

It is like we keep going in circles on this sort of thing. But what still seems really off to me is that the introductory part of the game, Instant battle, has low risk and nothing but reward. At least right now.

So on second thought, putting up arbitrary boundaries between different styles of play is not the way forward. But right now in beta pub stomping is the most profitable way to go about playing. That is something that is a huge detriment to the game as a whole and there need to be other options.

I'll tell you what the answer is. You try playing EVe and fight against a guy who has been playing for years and tell me what happens.

CCP laughs at whiny noobs. It's all over the forums, go ahead and look.

The ""____ kills me therfore you should nerf it" is not how CCP does things

The fix seems...Kinda simple actually. If FW and largely in depth Galactic conquest gameplay gets added, then corps will look for the guys who can use tanks and people with tanks will migrate to the FW/Galactic conquest Corp vs. Corp stuff. This will free up the instanced battles for those who like them, and occassionally a pub stomper. This will cause a migration from the pub-stomping (Tryhard) tank drivers from pubs, to...Galactic warfare. Of course districts will have to be super-sized and such, but thats another topic.

People just need to learn how to deal with tanks. Personally i deal with them fast and hard. even faster if i have a squad with me

This is to the first quote.


Have you even driven a tank before? Why the hell do people assume its easy mode?

For me using an AR is easy mode.

Really? You think it will take 16 randoms to kill 1 madrugar? Are you really that ignorant?

It takes 1 good AV player that has fully spec'd AV and knows how to use it to kill a tank. ESPECIALLY in ambush.

One might say, "that's so much sp to fully put into AV"

Well, for a even half decent fit tank they've put a couple mill more sp into it then for your full proto AV weapons.


I can't understand why people think you should be able to solo tanks, has this game went into the toilet that far that when someone has to put 5+ mill sp into one thing, tank, that it should be solo able? Shouldn't it take at least half a team to take it down?

You put 2 fully spec'd AV guys in ambush with a Surya, Surya is toast.

Yet here we are catering to the 90% player base of AR users. Who who'd rather see tanks and other things their weapons can't deal with simply removed or nerfed.

Tanks should be a game changer, its like dropping a carrier to support your BS fleet.....well carriers rep, but you getmthe meaning.


Right now, tanks are simply free points to people who know how to use AV.

In the first build ever ever, tanks were hard to kill. It took almost the entire team.

Then tanks got a major Nerf. Look at the current weapons for tanks, railguns have horrible splash, even railgun installations have a better system, missiles are simply broke, blasters used to be garbage and no one used them, now its the only thing functioning. Tank HP got cut down,

Then AV got a buff.

There are so many problems in the AV vs Vehicle department that CCP should feel like they failed somewhere along the line in that department, and honestly must not play their game much.

So now you want tanks out of ambush? Are you kidding me, thankfully for the time being dust is still called DUST 514

Not

AR DUST 514, The Only Way to be Certain.

Your exactly right, 2 good AV specialised infantry can outright obliterate any tank, but then again a squad utilising militia gear is more than enough to neutralise (kill or scare off) most tanks.

A good tank requires 2mill+ of SP and a mill of ISK to deploy and can be killed using much more accessible gear, the problem is people complain because they can't be bothered to try attacking it.

But the biggest problem is the people who try attacking tanks, I see alot of good tankers use the gunnlogi, they are heavily shielded and therefore resistant to AV grenades and swarm launchers so people assume therefore all tanks are OP rather than trying flux grenades or forge guns against them which will make short work of them.

+1 finally someone who gets it, welcome to the 10%

There should be a tank free sever list. Only pussies use tanks. Dust is not panning out to be what was promised. The maps are too small to warrant large scale warfare. How come tanks only need one person to be effective but it takes several AV users to kill the tank.I want an AV weapon i can pop 1 million isk into that nukes tanks in one shot. What kind of person feels the need to bring such an imbalance into a game to fight other players? Seriously several thousand armor and shields and over powered guns to slaughter people.

Dust is going to become a world of tanks rip off in no time and them they will lose the 90% that started playing because they wanted infantry combat.

Yeah you're right and while were at it ban assault rifles because anyone using one can Pwn any group of ransoms if they are even slightly good

Well I'm a tanker and proud, Ive had games where no one bothers going AV swell as others where over half the opposing team is targeting me.

Tanks are a big, slow, unmaneouverable target with less expensive range than their weakness (swarms, forge guns and rail guns) and yet ppl complain which is even worse to tankers as the military gear is extremely effective even against standard tanks.

Next the forum nerf squad should target nova knifes since they more effective than AR at point blank range lol
This games got rock paper scissor aspects to it or put simply... Infantry beats AV infantry, AV infantry beats vehicles, vehicles beats infantry.

But I really hate that swarmers and AV grenades are the most utilised form of AV even against the shielded tanks and that needs to stop.... People should really learn to forge gun and flux grenade them for easy kills.

And if people are still complaining then spec AV or call in your own tank to kill theirs.

While CCPs at it why don't they just save themselves some time and ban violence, but then you'd still get smurfs posting that peace is OP

Rofl this^
Just to be sure u know I was sarcastic right?

Of course, hence the sarcastic continuation lol.

Have you even driven a tank before? Why the hell do people assume its easy mode?

For me using an AR is easy mode.
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Where else will we wannabe tankers train to crush your feeble infantry in skirmish then?