Well, at least they are a counter to heavies. And In the "Remove Heavies from Ambush" thread I argued that they should stay. Just wish I saw a tank every once in a while when I had my AV character running.

Also, missile tanks, not so great against infantry, much better against other tanks. So if you want to level the playing field get your anti tank tank going. And blow up all of those anti infantry tanks.

I guess that's what explains how tank drivers have the highest KDRs then

Because you only lose 1 every few games,

You still lose the isk,

Kdr doesn't matter.

Your not going to drop enough tanks in one match to ruin kdr.

My point is....if ARs are easy mode then how come the tankers don't die as much and still **** the battlefield?

Not arguing about importance of KDR in dust. I'm just saying that ARs can't be easy mode when the tankers are doing better as far as KDR is concerned. Mr. Zitro's KDR is like 25, right? Sir Meode's is like 17, Exmaple's is 11, etc.......you don't see any AR guy with numbers comparable those.

My point is....if ARs are easy mode then how come the tankers don't die as much and still **** the battlefield?

Not arguing about importance of KDR in dust. I'm just saying that ARs can't be easy mode when the tankers are doing better as far as KDR is concerned. Mr. Zitro's KDR is like 25, right? Sir Meode's is like 17, Exmaple's is 11, etc.......you don't see any AR guy with numbers comparable those.

Whoever says AR's are easy mode is just shooting crap out of their mouths. I'd like to see these morons use an AR instead of their laser rifle, HMG, or HAV and consistently put up good numbers against people who actually know how to aim. If this game ever went Pro Circuit, I guarantee none of these people would ever be able to compete gun on gun with MLG pros who've been using Assault rifles in various games for years.

Whoever says its not compared to tank driving is shooting crap out.

AR is easy when you know how to aim.

You also don't have to multi task, did you even read my above post girlfriend?

When you say it's easy if you know how to aim is very vague and not a very good argument

Every gun is easy in this game if you know how to aim. Am I wrong?

However learning to Aim with AR definitely requires a greater degree of skill compared to the other weapons in the game.

Also, it really is not that easy to solo a tank, no matter how upgraded. THe tankers that do well always have support. If the rest of your team hangs you out to dry and the other team grabs even a few starter AV fits and your team doesn't shoot them dead, you can die farily quickly. More quickly in a shield tank. But still, as in everything else in this game, teamwork is key.

But as my above post says,

With AR all you have to do is aim and take cover.

The original comment was between the difficulty between using an AR or driving a tank.

I'm not saying AR is simple, but it is easier then driving a tank.

As above,

Tank has to worry about position, hardners, reps, all the mods,

Then you have swarms coming for you at long range from several spots, forge gunners who are hard to spot, don't know who's AV or not or who has AV grenades, and the entire enemy team is aware of your presence and focus's on killing you specifically.

Where as AR you aim, take cover, stay with team mates and no one is really hunting just you, they're going for your team.

Like I said, tank is a target for the whole other team, you have a lot to worry about, for me personally,

Playing AR is far more relaxing then driving a tank.

I can respect this post, I have only driven Militia tanks so I can't really say what is more relaxing or not. What I can say is that running an assault build isn't as relaxing as you make out to be. We have our problems down here on the ground as well, snipers, laser rifles, Running into HMG's, tanks, and the random enemy spawning behind us. Yup, Unless we're running with a well built squad we're constantly on our toes.

My brother is AR only and working on a 11.0 kdr, have you seen regnyums?

A tank should get at least 10 kills per game before death, that's a 10 point, its also a million isk loss.

With an AR I almost always go 15/0 or 15/2 with my gek or more.

Its very easy because I don't have to multi task as much as the tank, worry about hardners, reps, swarms, forge, ect,


Where as with my AR, I see an enemy and kill, I surround myself with team mates, and there isn't a whole team dedicating themselves to specifically kill me.

That's why AR is easy mode.

dunno about this ^^ relaxing/easymode AR/Tank detour ........

-Chiming in to say, that I clicked on this thread for lols "nerf tanks QQ"

-but after reading Kesi Raae Kaae's responses, and the disscussions from others afterwards...... Damnit. I agree.

I do think that eventual iterations on FW and giving players bigger fish to fry will free up pub matches from roflstomping, but in the meantime, Vehicle-free ambush would be pretty nice. No tank nerf needed.

Yep, and the thing is 90% of these kids wanting nerfs have never even used a tank. Just assume they must be OP.

The tanks themselves don't need nerfing, I think they're fine for serious battles and an organized corp can take them out without breaking their stride.

What's not fine is how easy it is to pubstomp in one, especially in public ambushes where you don't come across any organised resistance. It's why I use them in public matches.

Now I could do the honourable thing and not use tanks in public matches, but when a game has an abusable mechanic it should be up to the developer to address the issue rather than hope the player base will play nice.

9/10 times I just leave ambush games when the other team brings in their high-tier Protosuits and Weapons. Its a waste of time/effort/money to try and take them out so I just leave, like a b'itch. They're pretty obscene in pub matches.

See me and you are very much alike, we both hate anything remotely challenging and would rather stick to pubstomling the newberries

lucky you, whenever i use tanks i hav atleast 4 people trying to kill me at any given time, ive had matches of chase the Madruger where ive gone 2-0 due to squads swarmin me every 2 secs.

yeah people think tanks are easy mode but they really not, its stressful knowin you can b killed quickly from outside your range at any second while also maintaining your active mods and helping your team win. this complexity of multitasking is what makes tanking fun.

with this game you get what you pay for, if tanks are OP, then nut up and upgrade ur AV weapon and armour and youll soon realise your 1mill SP and 100k ISK will bring fear to any tank on any game mode as you will become the OP AV specialist.

oh and this games not about KDR its about WINNING, my KDR is about 18ish and i dont care about it at all... why you may ask, well i die ALOT due 2 spawning into siamese fattys wielding HMGs and also ill happily wreck my tank in order to secure a win.