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Dover inthe Sky
11
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:19:00 -
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Has anyone figured out how to make this work yet. We have EvE characters that have donated money to our wallet, but we have not received it can anyone follow up on this please. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:22:00 -
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transfer funds to a dust corp wallet, then disperse from that wallet to dusties.. atleast that's how I believe it is going down, have not done this myself |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:27:00 -
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You can send money directly to dusties, but I don't play EvE so Idk how. |
Dover inthe Sky
11
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:41:00 -
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The problem is not the ability to transfer, it is that we are not receiving the money in our wallet.
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:44:00 -
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Dont bother trying I think its been fixed |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:52:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Dont bother trying I think its been fixed
that face looks a little shady.. |
FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
76
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:53:00 -
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I'm sure this will mean that I will be getting shot by endless supplies of tanks and prototype weapons, but this is how I did it.
Install SISI client (maybe you already did) Log in to eve singularity server, your eve character will be there from whenever the last mirror was. Apply to eve characters corporation from your dust character. Accept it on eve character. Move funds to corp wallet from eve character. Transfer funds from corp wallet to dust character using eve character.
The ONLY thing the dust character does is apply to the eve corp. Everything else is handled on the eve side while logged in to the sisi server. For this to work I'm also assuming you need to have the appropriate corp roles on the eve character.
You can't just send money to any random dust merc as I understand it. Per patch notes I believe it specifies that it takes place via the corp wallet.
So there you have it.
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Blue Buggs
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
19
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Posted - 2012.10.20 20:06:00 -
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FatalFlaw V1 wrote:I'm sure this will mean that I will be getting shot by endless supplies of tanks and prototype weapons, but this is how I did it.
Install SISI client (maybe you already did) Log in to eve singularity server, your eve character will be there from whenever the last mirror was. Apply to eve characters corporation from your dust character. Accept it on eve character. Move funds to corp wallet from eve character. Transfer funds from corp wallet to dust character using eve character.
The ONLY thing the dust character does is apply to the eve corp. Everything else is handled on the eve side while logged in to the sisi server. For this to work I'm also assuming you need to have the appropriate corp roles on the eve character.
You can't just send money to any random dust merc as I understand it. Per patch notes I believe it specifies that it takes place via the corp wallet.
So there you have it.
This is how I did it also, but I was also able to send isk to another dust merc without them being in my corp. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.20 20:11:00 -
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Blue Buggs wrote:FatalFlaw V1 wrote:I'm sure this will mean that I will be getting shot by endless supplies of tanks and prototype weapons, but this is how I did it.
Install SISI client (maybe you already did) Log in to eve singularity server, your eve character will be there from whenever the last mirror was. Apply to eve characters corporation from your dust character. Accept it on eve character. Move funds to corp wallet from eve character. Transfer funds from corp wallet to dust character using eve character.
The ONLY thing the dust character does is apply to the eve corp. Everything else is handled on the eve side while logged in to the sisi server. For this to work I'm also assuming you need to have the appropriate corp roles on the eve character.
You can't just send money to any random dust merc as I understand it. Per patch notes I believe it specifies that it takes place via the corp wallet.
So there you have it.
This is how I did it also, but I was also able to send isk to another dust merc without them being in my corp.
that merc was made of pure awesomness, so no rules applied |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
417
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Posted - 2012.10.20 20:13:00 -
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Yeah, it works with any merc. The Transfer Funds button just works. |
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Blue Buggs
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
19
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Posted - 2012.10.20 20:17:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Blue Buggs wrote:FatalFlaw V1 wrote:I'm sure this will mean that I will be getting shot by endless supplies of tanks and prototype weapons, but this is how I did it.
Install SISI client (maybe you already did) Log in to eve singularity server, your eve character will be there from whenever the last mirror was. Apply to eve characters corporation from your dust character. Accept it on eve character. Move funds to corp wallet from eve character. Transfer funds from corp wallet to dust character using eve character.
The ONLY thing the dust character does is apply to the eve corp. Everything else is handled on the eve side while logged in to the sisi server. For this to work I'm also assuming you need to have the appropriate corp roles on the eve character.
You can't just send money to any random dust merc as I understand it. Per patch notes I believe it specifies that it takes place via the corp wallet.
So there you have it.
This is how I did it also, but I was also able to send isk to another dust merc without them being in my corp. that merc was made of pure awesomness, so no rules applied
Only if you dont shoot me in the face |
Dover inthe Sky
11
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Posted - 2012.10.20 20:18:00 -
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Okay see I am on the other side we are a dust corp trying to get money from an eve Character to our dust corp wallet. He is a member of our dust corp though. Our problem is the EvE guys money is not coming to our Dust corp wallet. |
Blue Buggs
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
19
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Posted - 2012.10.20 20:20:00 -
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Dover inthe Sky wrote:Okay see I am on the other side we are a dust corp trying to get money from an eve Character to our dust corp wallet. He is a member of our dust corp though. Our problem is the EvE guys money is not coming to our Dust corp wallet.
Get him to make a corp on sisi and you lot join. Then he can deposit all the isk into the corp wallet and shuffle it around the mercs. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.20 20:47:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Dont bother trying I think its been fixed that face looks a little shady..
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FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
76
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:41:00 -
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Dover inthe Sky wrote:Okay see I am on the other side we are a dust corp trying to get money from an eve Character to our dust corp wallet. He is a member of our dust corp though. Our problem is the EvE guys money is not coming to our Dust corp wallet.
The problem I encountered is that there doesn't seem to be any way to withdraw corp wallet funds from dust. Even having director roles in the eve corp I still couldn't do it. |
Dover inthe Sky
11
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:43:00 -
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FatalFlaw V1 wrote:Dover inthe Sky wrote:Okay see I am on the other side we are a dust corp trying to get money from an eve Character to our dust corp wallet. He is a member of our dust corp though. Our problem is the EvE guys money is not coming to our Dust corp wallet. The problem I encountered is that there doesn't seem to be any way to withdraw corp wallet funds from dust. Even having director roles in the eve corp I still couldn't do it.
Only the CEO can transfer funds right now. Mine did it for me yesterday from one character to another. |
Dover inthe Sky
11
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:44:00 -
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Blue Buggs wrote:Dover inthe Sky wrote:Okay see I am on the other side we are a dust corp trying to get money from an eve Character to our dust corp wallet. He is a member of our dust corp though. Our problem is the EvE guys money is not coming to our Dust corp wallet. Get him to make a corp on sisi and you lot join. Then he can deposit all the isk into the corp wallet and shuffle it around the mercs.
Thats to much of a hassle we have a decent corp and that is just to many people that dont want to switch over to another corp. |
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
540
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:15:00 -
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Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate. |
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Destroyer Rob
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:16:00 -
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oh snap ninjas its a ccp dev ! you busted |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:18:00 -
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Ewwww this is most interesting!!!!!
Corps out there with potintially deep pockets already? |
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Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:18:00 -
[21] - Quote
Good going, just tell everyone about it guys... |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:20:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate.
Ow crap.. Um you might wana take alook at Seraphima corp wallet. All the bigger boys were doing it and and.... will tell em not to go spending.
Seee I knew this would happen right after I gave up saying it was a possible exploite DOH |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:23:00 -
[23] - Quote
CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate. Umm should I return the money to my corps wallet? I've spent like 4 million thinking it was meant to do this. :S |
Baracka Flocka Flame
SyNergy Gaming
334
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:24:00 -
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Ya pretty sure everyone has spent money at this point. Another wipe incoming yaaaaa |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:26:00 -
[25] - Quote
Belzeebub Santana wrote:Ewwww this is most interesting!!!!!
Corps out there with potintially deep pockets already?
Deep pockets?... My corp gets about 1.5 trillion ISK a month in income right now. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:26:00 -
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all mine went on dancing girls anyway |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:27:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:Ewwww this is most interesting!!!!!
Corps out there with potintially deep pockets already? Deep pockets?... My corp gets about 1.5 trillion ISK a month in income right now.
Goons are all cheaters tho |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:28:00 -
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Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:Ya pretty sure everyone has spent money at this point. Another wipe incoming yaaaaa
bet they even find our isk in the off shore account ...dam it!!!! |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:29:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate.
I'm sorry to say, but this is just to typical of ccp.. let a big isk gain happen for a short period, then once the general public becomes aware it is shot down and covered up as exploit, " investigations" made blah blah blah
So why did it take so long to adress this as an unintended behavior? |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:30:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:all mine went on dancing girls anyway
And you didnt send an invite i feel left out, i like boobies! |
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:31:00 -
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I chopped one up for later if your interested. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:31:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:Ya pretty sure everyone has spent money at this point. Another wipe incoming yaaaaa bet they even find our isk in the off shore account ...dam it!!!!
I hope not, I come in peace and bearing skyr.. don't rob me of the offshore account tooo |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:31:00 -
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well thats unexpected. Allready spend 20 million from that space cash. At least we can cofirm now that ISK transfer from Eve to dust 514 is actually working. We didnt even knew that this is a exploit (if you want to call it like that) we thought it was just another feature that we could test. |
Baracka Flocka Flame
SyNergy Gaming
334
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:32:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:Ya pretty sure everyone has spent money at this point. Another wipe incoming yaaaaa bet they even find our isk in the off shore account ...dam it!!!!
lol |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:33:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:Ewwww this is most interesting!!!!!
Corps out there with potintially deep pockets already? Deep pockets?... My corp gets about 1.5 trillion ISK a month in income right now. Well for us poor dusty peoples, 1,000,000,000 is considered deep pockets. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:39:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:well thats unexpected. Allready spend 20 million from that space cash. At least we can cofirm now that ISK transfer from Eve to dust 514 is actually working. We didnt even knew that this is a exploit (if you want to call it like that) we thought it was just another feature that we could test.
A valiant lie my friend so +1 .
Personally IGÇÖm gona plead insanity
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:40:00 -
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i blame my CEO for giving me so much ISK. |
Osiris Greywolf
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:41:00 -
[38] - Quote
Hmm, guess I better not Take out that mortgage then. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
15
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:42:00 -
[39] - Quote
:( |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:42:00 -
[40] - Quote
Honestly, why bother at this point? Just cap it by next patch. Surprisingly (not for me), the game is a lot more fun with people using more varied gear. |
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:42:00 -
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Anyone else finding this like REALLY funny ? |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:43:00 -
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Got excited at first since I thought I might be able to afford some new skill books I've been wanting and stop using AUR items when I can already use the superior or equal ISK variant. But oh well. I actually missed all this as it was happening and once I understood what was involved I realized that it would be a very, very bad idea to mess with it. CCP is going to have records of all of this and they are not afraid to take everything away not matter how much it screws some people up. Not saying they will, but they could. Just ask all the Goons and Goon associates that logged in to EVE one day only to find their wallet was suddenly negative. |
FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
76
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:45:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate.
If we are to believe the codex patch notes, no, I don't believe it is..
Codex patch notes
CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Player Corporations * DUST Players are able to create their own corporations and accept applications from other players * Players are able to apply to join an existing player corporation, from EVE Online * DUST players can join an existing EVE Online corporation and vice versa * The CEO can appoint the Director role to members * A corp member can view a list of all his corp mates * Corporations have a corporation wallet managed by its directors * A corp member can donate money to his corporation * A Corporation director can give money to members from the corporation wallet * New skills added for Corporation management
It's laid out pretty clearly there.
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:46:00 -
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Well its just beta i the end off the day. All the big corps did it and if you didnt do it you might woulda had lost the arms race. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
15
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:47:00 -
[45] - Quote
An ISK cap is not needed. I understand if they don't want it in the game right now but any type of cap on ISK for any reason in the full game is stupid. There is no cap in EVE or RL on moneys and there should not be one on DUST. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:48:00 -
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:Ewwww this is most interesting!!!!!
Corps out there with potintially deep pockets already?
Yes, everyones rich! I got a billion Isk myself =) |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:49:00 -
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this: http://imageshack.us/a/img338/3047/100teamworkmice.gif |
xMarauder
Doomheim
139
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:49:00 -
[48] - Quote
Just when I thought I had finally become rich... |
JoshuaEvil666
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
33
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:49:00 -
[49] - Quote
i do not see this as an explout or cheat, the isk was transfered using an ingame mechanic , not our fault you over looked this mechanic and did not take action to disable it |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:50:00 -
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D3aTH D3alER54 wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:Ewwww this is most interesting!!!!!
Corps out there with potintially deep pockets already? Yes, everyones rich! I got a billion Isk myself =)
Man Im such a tight ass I only sent em 20 mil or so each. |
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FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
76
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:50:00 -
[51] - Quote
Noc Tempre wrote:Honestly, why bother at this point? Just cap it by next patch. Surprisingly (not for me), the game is a lot more fun with people using more varied gear. I agree. The current prices in dust are broken without the player market being implemented yet. Half a million isk for a dropsuit skill book? |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:50:00 -
[52] - Quote
JoshuaEvil666 wrote:i do not see this as an explout or cheat, the isk was transfered using an ingame mechanic , not our fault you over looked this mechanic and did not take action to disable it
Exploits generally use in game mechanics. |
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
540
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:51:00 -
[53] - Quote
FatalFlaw V1 wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate. If we are to believe the codex patch notes, no, I don't believe it is.. Codex patch notesCCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Player Corporations * DUST Players are able to create their own corporations and accept applications from other players * Players are able to apply to join an existing player corporation, from EVE Online * DUST players can join an existing EVE Online corporation and vice versa * The CEO can appoint the Director role to members * A corp member can view a list of all his corp mates * Corporations have a corporation wallet managed by its directors * A corp member can donate money to his corporation * A Corporation director can give money to members from the corporation wallet * New skills added for Corporation management
It's laid out pretty clearly there.
The catch here is that the corporation and player wallet divisions in EVE and DUST are separate and transferring between is supposed to be denied.
However we fully realize that players did not know it was unintended, it was not obvious so we will take the blame on that. |
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FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
76
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:52:00 -
[54] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:JoshuaEvil666 wrote:i do not see this as an explout or cheat, the isk was transfered using an ingame mechanic , not our fault you over looked this mechanic and did not take action to disable it Exploits generally use in game mechanics.
Mechanics that are word for word defined as intentionally added features in the patch notes? |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:53:00 -
[55] - Quote
If it becomes an issue I know our corp has volunteers willing to make sure everyone in the tourney has access to the funds necessary. We want to compete against the best anyone has to offer. Considering EVE can use SiSi ISK to practice for their alliance tournaments, I see no reason why this should be any different. |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:54:00 -
[56] - Quote
Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Anyone else finding this like REALLY funny ?
Yes this is hilarious, good job on breaking the game! Will like to hear about the repercussions too! Hope they dont go overboard!
I would say this is the first big news to come outta Dust Metagaming... |
JoshuaEvil666
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
33
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:54:00 -
[57] - Quote
[/quote]
The catch here is that the corporation and player wallet divisions in EVE and DUST are separate and transferring between is supposed to be denied.
However we fully realize that players did not know it was unintended, it was not obvious so we will take the blame on that.[/quote] you do know its not a cheat or hack or exploit right ? it was done using an ingame mechanic, nothing unusual |
JoshuaEvil666
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
33
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:56:00 -
[58] - Quote
Noc Tempre wrote:If it becomes an issue I know our corp has volunteers willing to make sure everyone in the tourney has access to the funds necessary. We want to compete against the best anyone has to offer. Considering EVE can use SiSi ISK to practice for their alliance tournaments, I see no reason why this should be any different.
why do you guys call it sisi isk ? its a miror of whats in your wallet on TQ so it does infact exists |
Jariel Manton
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
210
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:56:00 -
[59] - Quote
CCP Nullarbor wrote:FatalFlaw V1 wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate. If we are to believe the codex patch notes, no, I don't believe it is.. Codex patch notesCCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Player Corporations * DUST Players are able to create their own corporations and accept applications from other players * Players are able to apply to join an existing player corporation, from EVE Online * DUST players can join an existing EVE Online corporation and vice versa * The CEO can appoint the Director role to members * A corp member can view a list of all his corp mates * Corporations have a corporation wallet managed by its directors * A corp member can donate money to his corporation * A Corporation director can give money to members from the corporation wallet * New skills added for Corporation management
It's laid out pretty clearly there. The catch here is that the corporation and player wallet divisions in EVE and DUST are separate and transferring between is supposed to be denied. However we fully realize that players did not know it was unintended, it was not obvious so we will take the blame on that.
I hope that is only because of the beta, i feel like it would be silly for the movement of isk between games to not be allowed in the final product, in this instance where isk doesnt mean anything on sisi it can upset the balance but on tq isk means something so it wont be spent frivolously.
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OgTheEnigma
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
90
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:58:00 -
[60] - Quote
I'm rich, I'm rich -> tries to buy 100 Duvolles -> Server goes down -> :(
Oh well if it's a wipe or a rollback then so be it. Although it was a nice surprise to log in today and find 10 million in my wallet. |
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
540
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:59:00 -
[61] - Quote
JoshuaEvil666 wrote:Quote:
The catch here is that the corporation and player wallet divisions in EVE and DUST are separate and transferring between is supposed to be denied.
However we fully realize that players did not know it was unintended, it was not obvious so we will take the blame on that.
you do know its not a cheat or hack or exploit right ? it was done using an ingame mechanic, nothing unusual
Its not a cheat or a hack, but our definition of an exploit extends to using in game mechanics in ways in which they were not intended to be used. Of course that's a fuzzy line at CCP since our games revolve around emergent behaviour.
We're not looking to lay the smack down on anyone, but we may need to restore the balance so we don't disrupt what we are all here to do which is test the game. I will post details later once we have had a chance to look it over.
Cheers.
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:00:00 -
[62] - Quote
JoshuaEvil666 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:If it becomes an issue I know our corp has volunteers willing to make sure everyone in the tourney has access to the funds necessary. We want to compete against the best anyone has to offer. Considering EVE can use SiSi ISK to practice for their alliance tournaments, I see no reason why this should be any different. why do you guys call it sisi isk ? its a miror of whats in your wallet on TQ so it does infact exists
it exisits as much as the other you when you look in the mirror. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:00:00 -
[63] - Quote
JoshuaEvil666 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:If it becomes an issue I know our corp has volunteers willing to make sure everyone in the tourney has access to the funds necessary. We want to compete against the best anyone has to offer. Considering EVE can use SiSi ISK to practice for their alliance tournaments, I see no reason why this should be any different. why do you guys call it sisi isk ? its a miror of whats in your wallet on TQ so it does infact exists
... evidence of not being an EVE vet. Sisi ISK is not real ISK. 99.9% true. |
Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:01:00 -
[64] - Quote
CCP Nullarbor wrote:JoshuaEvil666 wrote:Quote:
The catch here is that the corporation and player wallet divisions in EVE and DUST are separate and transferring between is supposed to be denied.
However we fully realize that players did not know it was unintended, it was not obvious so we will take the blame on that.
you do know its not a cheat or hack or exploit right ? it was done using an ingame mechanic, nothing unusual Its not a cheat or a hack, but our definition of an exploit extends to using in game mechanics in ways in which they were not intended to be used. Of course that's a fuzzy line at CCP since our games revolve around emergent behaviour. We're not looking to lay the smack down on anyone, but we may need to restore the balance so we don't disrupt what we are all here to do which is test the game. I will post details later once we have had a chance to look it over. Cheers.
Noc Tempre wrote:If it becomes an issue I know our corp has volunteers willing to make sure everyone in the tourney has access to the funds necessary. We want to compete against the best anyone has to offer. Considering EVE can use SiSi ISK to practice for their alliance tournaments, I see no reason why this should be any different.
We have the isk and we want fair fights, just sayin. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:02:00 -
[65] - Quote
This may have been unintended but i would put it to the devs that this is the perfect chance to see how an influx of eve money will effect game play, and btw you don't need to do any character changing or apply to a dust corp using the transfer isk button on the corporate wallet (eve side) allows you to type in the names of dust players and transfer directly.
That said I will stop being a socialist now, no more redistribution of wealth. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:02:00 -
[66] - Quote
OgTheEnigma wrote:I'm rich, I'm rich -> tries to buy 100 Duvolles -> Server goes down -> :(
Oh well if it's a wipe or a rollback then so be it. Although it was a nice surprise to log in today and find 10 million in my wallet.
Only sent you 10 mil because you killed me like 10 times today! |
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
540
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:03:00 -
[67] - Quote
Jariel Manton wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:FatalFlaw V1 wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate. If we are to believe the codex patch notes, no, I don't believe it is.. Codex patch notesCCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Player Corporations * DUST Players are able to create their own corporations and accept applications from other players * Players are able to apply to join an existing player corporation, from EVE Online * DUST players can join an existing EVE Online corporation and vice versa * The CEO can appoint the Director role to members * A corp member can view a list of all his corp mates * Corporations have a corporation wallet managed by its directors * A corp member can donate money to his corporation * A Corporation director can give money to members from the corporation wallet * New skills added for Corporation management
It's laid out pretty clearly there. The catch here is that the corporation and player wallet divisions in EVE and DUST are separate and transferring between is supposed to be denied. However we fully realize that players did not know it was unintended, it was not obvious so we will take the blame on that. I hope that is only because of the beta, i feel like it would be silly for the movement of isk between games to not be allowed in the final product, in this instance where isk doesnt mean anything on sisi it can upset the balance but on tq isk means something so it wont be spent frivolously.
We will obviously see ISK flow between the games at some point but there are 2 important reasons why we want to lock it down for now: - ISK on SiSi is meaningless for EVE players because it is their test server not the live server - We need to make sure everything is economically stable first and then ease the flow in or risk unbalancing one of the games. At this stage, the dust economy is still finding its feet so we are not ready for that yet.
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Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:04:00 -
[68] - Quote
What are you all gonna do when this goes live and the goons handout 1 billion to each new recruit? Cry more probably.
It is a part of the game and its cold dark universe. Get used to it.
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FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
76
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:05:00 -
[69] - Quote
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
The catch here is that the corporation and player wallet divisions in EVE and DUST are separate and transferring between is supposed to be denied.
However we fully realize that players did not know it was unintended, it was not obvious so we will take the blame on that.
Well, that makes much of the merging of Eve <-> Dust rather pointless. Everything in the patch notes alludes to more meaningful interaction between Eve and Dust. Further, many prices in this dust build have increased from the last. Anyone who didn't have AUR to buy militia BPO's, good luck to them saving money to buy skill books, much less be able to use any decent gear.
Secondly, it seems to make no sense because there is no way I have found to withdraw any corp funds from dust. Sure, I see how to put money in, but is it meant to be a black hole that sucks isk into nothingness, never to be seen or withdrawn again? |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:05:00 -
[70] - Quote
Sok need a rehab from the crash/exile mix and dancing girls anyway, |
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Virex Staz
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:06:00 -
[71] - Quote
So, how about changing all item costs to 100 isk, like on Eve SISI? Maybe just until the next wipe.
That would nullify the advantage that has been gained by corps that have used this so far, without having to unravel the thread of isk flow. |
Virex Staz
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:08:00 -
[72] - Quote
Noc Tempre wrote:Sisi ISK is not real ISK. 99.9% true. Evidence of this: log on to SISI, buy expensive ship for 100 isk, insure it for 200 million, undock, self-destruct, collect insurance payout.
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:08:00 -
[73] - Quote
Is it a bad time for me to say that I had already stockpiled hundreds of fits and modules for a rainy day and bought all the skill books needed to improve my ninja knifing? The 20 million ISK that I got is already gone. XD |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:08:00 -
[74] - Quote
Virex Staz wrote:So, how about changing all item costs to 100 isk, like on Eve SISI? Maybe just until the next wipe.
That would nullify the advantage that has been gained by corps that have used this so far, without having to unravel the thread of isk flow.
Um yea some corp may um have laundered the isk in inventive ways and er well... fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:09:00 -
[75] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:Is it a bad time for me to say that I had already stockpiled hundreds of fits and modules for a rainy day and bought all the skill books needed to improve my ninja knifing? The 20 million ISK that I got is already gone. XD
No idea who could have sent that. Go use it all quick b4 they catch up to you. |
OgTheEnigma
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
90
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:10:00 -
[76] - Quote
Sha Kharn Clone wrote:OgTheEnigma wrote:I'm rich, I'm rich -> tries to buy 100 Duvolles -> Server goes down -> :(
Oh well if it's a wipe or a rollback then so be it. Although it was a nice surprise to log in today and find 10 million in my wallet. Only sent you 10 mil because you killed me like 10 times today! Oh you; because of that I'm going to increase my Sha hunting level tenfolds! |
FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
76
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:10:00 -
[77] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:Is it a bad time for me to say that I had already stockpiled hundreds of fits and modules for a rainy day and bought all the skill books needed to improve my ninja knifing? The 20 million ISK that I got is already gone. XD I only burned through about 7 million myself, but it does go quickly. |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:15:00 -
[78] - Quote
CCP hot on all your trails!!! Spend it while you got it!!! They all ready shutting down shop!
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Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:15:00 -
[79] - Quote
Hopefully CCP doesn't subtract the amount of isk transferred from EVE from all of your accounts. I would hate to see everyone in DUST have a negative balance. Me on the other hand, I have not spent or accepted any EVE money so it is possible I could end up being one of the richest players in dust.
(Walks away wearing a crappy, but currently highest quality in the game, monicle) LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
v3k3v
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
24
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:16:00 -
[80] - Quote
If you have your own corp in eve (almost anyone could) Your the ceo and have control to send isk to anyone. Isk was sent to countless people from various eve accounts so the isk is not going specifically to corps in Dust514 it was going to any specific player. As long as you were not abusing it for being the test server and creating magic isk some transfer seems normal. You mine in eve, have 10mil isk and can send it to your dust guy to buy weapons.. its what is intended technically... now guys sending 100mil+ here and there is just wack |
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:19:00 -
[81] - Quote
well ive got myself around 30 myrons fully loaded with modules and around 14 gunnlogis also fully loaded. Nothing of that ISk from Sisi was left over. Means ive spend 20 million in around 30 secs. |
Sick Sick Metagamer
0
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:20:00 -
[82] - Quote
CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate.
Wipe them out, all of them!
Or get rid of the War Dec Nerf and give PRVTR the ill gotten isk! |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:23:00 -
[83] - Quote
The dark cloud wrote:well ive got myself around 30 myrons fully loaded with modules and around 14 gunnlogis also fully loaded. Nothing of that ISk from Sisi was left over. Means ive spend 20 million in around 30 secs.
So your wallet should be 20 mil in the red now. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:24:00 -
[84] - Quote
dude calm down. This feature will be in the game later on. It was just a surpise for us that it actually worked. Words where spread on all big corps and we just tried it out. And it works perfect at the moment. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:24:00 -
[85] - Quote
Cloudy Zan wrote:Hopefully CCP doesn't subtract the amount of isk transferred from EVE from all of your accounts. I would hate to see everyone in DUST have a negative balance. Me on the other hand, I have not spent or accepted any EVE money so it is possible I could end up being one of the richest players in dust.
(Walks away wearing a crappy, but currently highest quality in the game, monicle) LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Even if your one of the new rich I dont mind saying your looking rather dashing. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:26:00 -
[86] - Quote
I'm missing out on all the fun. I need richer friends |
Cortez The Killer
Immobile Infantry
187
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:28:00 -
[87] - Quote
This will have a noticeable impact on the upcoming tourney. Any bets on a wipe? |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:28:00 -
[88] - Quote
didnt you guys where the first who tried to transfer 420 billion ISK from EVE to Dust 514? You should have more then enough ISK |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:29:00 -
[89] - Quote
The dark cloud wrote:dude calm down. This feature will be in the game later on. It was just a surpise for us that it actually worked. Words where spread on all big corps and we just tried it out. And it works perfect at the moment.
I'm calm. I was warning you that might happen. Dunno if it will, they've done it before. Not to mention the fact that the ISK you were given isn't "real". I mean I know it's a game and no ISK is real, but even within the game money on SISI isn't real and is only used for SISI.
SISI is a place where you can get a gun that shoots cows and does like 10k damage or some such nonsense. Can't remember the details. And people thought the cash was gonna be legit? |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:31:00 -
[90] - Quote
HowDidThatTaste wrote:I'm missing out on all the fun. I need richer friends
\\\\\\Ehen the game goes live yo might wanan think about moving...just saying.....no really come join |
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:33:00 -
[91] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:The dark cloud wrote:dude calm down. This feature will be in the game later on. It was just a surpise for us that it actually worked. Words where spread on all big corps and we just tried it out. And it works perfect at the moment. I'm calm. I was warning you that might happen. Dunno if it will, they've done it before. Not to mention the fact that the ISK you were given isn't "real". I mean I know it's a game and no ISK is real, but even within the game money on SISI isn't real and is only used for SISI. SISI is a place where you can get a gun that shoots cows and does like 10k damage or some such nonsense. Can't remember the details. And people thought the cash was gonna be legit?
Look ok we all know its The dark Clouds fault no ones saying otherwise. I just hope he has a logn hard think about what he's done. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
15
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:34:00 -
[92] - Quote
CCP Nullarbor wrote:FatalFlaw V1 wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate. If we are to believe the codex patch notes, no, I don't believe it is.. Codex patch notesCCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Player Corporations * DUST Players are able to create their own corporations and accept applications from other players * Players are able to apply to join an existing player corporation, from EVE Online * DUST players can join an existing EVE Online corporation and vice versa * The CEO can appoint the Director role to members * A corp member can view a list of all his corp mates * Corporations have a corporation wallet managed by its directors * A corp member can donate money to his corporation * A Corporation director can give money to members from the corporation wallet * New skills added for Corporation management
It's laid out pretty clearly there. The catch here is that the corporation and player wallet divisions in EVE and DUST are separate and transferring between is supposed to be denied. However we fully realize that players did not know it was unintended, it was not obvious so we will take the blame on that.
I moved ISK over from SISI to DUST today before I saw this post. Is the ISK going to given back, stuck in limbo or can we use it. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:36:00 -
[93] - Quote
Funny how the only thing that worked perfectly without bugs is the ISK transfer. Accidentally switching the ISK transfer ON is not a bug. |
Cortez The Killer
Immobile Infantry
187
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:36:00 -
[94] - Quote
Forge gunners/AV peoples are going to have a GREAT week. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:39:00 -
[95] - Quote
and thats why im going to save them all up. Not wasting assets that can come in handy later on. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:42:00 -
[96] - Quote
The fix for this is easy: Wipe everyones wallets and assets (excluding AUR gear) then credit everyone 5-10mil isk to replace the assets, well it seems easy but I don't know coding ect. |
Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
10
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Posted - 2012.10.21 01:38:00 -
[97] - Quote
My behavior was very much intended. I shared what i transferred with a lot of other testers. If any one gets the hammer for the isk i've transferred to my friends, please let it be me. However, life is full of unintended behavior and you can not herd cats.
I realize we are testing the economy, but the codex economy will look nothing like the live economy. There is no economy in codex because there is no trade in codex. The sisi isk transfers are a direct result not from exploitation, but the regulation of isk via match rewards. The isk noose has been tightened on the testers this build with the consequence being "unintended behavior". What is ironic in all this, is that considering how much isk has entered the dust "economy" from this consequence, you, CCP, now have a better idea of what the real Dust economy is going to look like. I do not have the means of seeing the data you guys can, but i can guarantee if you plot the distribution of wealth in dust right now, you will see a Gaussian distribution.
"- We need to make sure everything is economically stable first and then ease the flow in or risk unbalancing one of the games. At this stage, the dust economy is still finding its feet so we are not ready for that yet."
if you need help with that, consider this post the cover letter to my resume. consider my resume, the distribution you produce which shows the wealth of dust players after the sisi isk transfers. I will bet that the distribution will look alot more like the wealth of tranquility players, than the wealth of dust players proir to the isk transfers.
you are missing the chance to study what the real dust economy will look like at launch. |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
323
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Posted - 2012.10.21 01:44:00 -
[98] - Quote
CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate. Yeah,good luck with that. |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.10.21 01:48:00 -
[99] - Quote
CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate.
But it's awesome.
Now increase the isk payout and increase prices so that the two games can have similar feel in isk prices. Maybe only let players receive so much isk a month? Like conchord wants to make sure this doesn't get out of control?
But in the end CCP, like 5 years down the line. we are going to merge the universes right? That's the end goal? player driven economy and such? |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.21 01:54:00 -
[100] - Quote
@Dias Bailey
Without a market there can be no inflation as a consequence of the sudden influx of cash. Prices are set, there is no exchange of goods between players. All ISK currently in DUST is created from thin air at the end of each match. There is no supply and demand. There is no scarcity. There is no economy. Your wallet balance in DUST is nothing more than your score on Pac-man. What has happened here provides no valuable data for study and simply allows certain players to purchase more stuff than others.
Not getting in to ethics or morality with you, just pointing out there is nothing to be learned from this at all except for CCP not catching this ahead of time. Each player is completely isolated financially from every other player.
PS: Props for working Gaussian in to a post of a video game forum. It's interesting the types on players EVE attracts. |
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Waruiko DUST
G I A N T
90
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Posted - 2012.10.21 01:59:00 -
[101] - Quote
CCP Nullarbor wrote: We will obviously see ISK flow between the games at some point but there are 2 important reasons why we want to lock it down for now: - ISK on SiSi is meaningless for EVE players because it is their test server not the live server - We need to make sure everything is economically stable first and then ease the flow in or risk unbalancing one of the games. At this stage, the dust economy is still finding its feet so we are not ready for that yet.
Hmm It seems to me that DUST has no economy. We can't build anything and we can't sell anything, even to each other. Got some EVE isk before seeing this thread but while I won't try to get more I'd point out that trying to get the economy figured out without the ability for us to trade items on the market.
To prevent this from happening again I'd stop seeding things on SISI next time you link the games. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:12:00 -
[102] - Quote
Waruiko DUST wrote:
To prevent this from happening again I'd stop seeding things on SISI next time you link the games.
EVE players still use SISI, so they can't really stop the mirror. I guess they could have, maybe just didn't think they needed to. I am surprised they didn't catch this, but hindsight is always 20/20. |
m621 zma
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
22
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:30:00 -
[103] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:Waruiko DUST wrote:
To prevent this from happening again I'd stop seeding things on SISI next time you link the games.
EVE players still use SISI, so they can't really stop the mirror. I guess they could have, maybe just didn't think they needed to. I am surprised they didn't catch this, but hindsight is always 20/20.
EVE players only had access back on Friday? |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:39:00 -
[104] - Quote
They shouldn't wipe it. They could use this data to create some sort of tax system when it comes to transferring ISk to Dust players. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:41:00 -
[105] - Quote
They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. |
Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:42:00 -
[106] - Quote
Zekain Kade wrote:They shouldn't wipe it. They could use this data to create some sort of tax system when it comes to transferring ISk to Dust players. lol you just don't want to go back to being poor |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:48:00 -
[107] - Quote
Noc Tempre wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me.
Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win. |
Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:51:00 -
[108] - Quote
Icy Tiger wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win. Do you see a better alternative |
Jariel Manton
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
210
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:55:00 -
[109] - Quote
Sha Kharn Clone wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:I'm missing out on all the fun. I need richer friends \\\\\\Ehen the game goes live yo might wanan think about moving...just saying.....no really come join
Pretty sure STB has plenty of OG EVE players including me. Taste just didnt know who to ask. Get off my boy. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:01:00 -
[110] - Quote
Icy Tiger wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win.
SP does not win fights. Besides the cap means the difference between playing 4 hours a week and 40 is all of 10k SP... that's not a real excuse. |
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Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:02:00 -
[111] - Quote
LOL at those who are taunting ccp with " well I already spent my 20-50 mil and am good til wipe , so nah nah nah you can't touch me".... just as easily as they can wipe a wallet, they can wipe assets, and when you taunt them they can make it a pretty sad day for you. Ask some of the bots or rmt guys that got to stick in the game after thinking they could get away with it instead of a ban lol. Huge red wallets , no assets, can't use market.. fun game |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:04:00 -
[112] - Quote
Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win. Do you see a better alternative 2 Million ISK for every corp. Reset banks. |
Project Truth
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:06:00 -
[113] - Quote
THIS>>https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41966&find=unread |
Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:06:00 -
[114] - Quote
Icy Tiger wrote:Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win. Do you see a better alternative 2 Million ISK for every corp. Reset banks. But thats puts you in the same situation, even more so since the people with more SP are usually the same people who will build up the isk advantage. |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:07:00 -
[115] - Quote
Jariel Manton wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:I'm missing out on all the fun. I need richer friends \\\\\\Ehen the game goes live yo might wanan think about moving...just saying.....no really come join Pretty sure STB has plenty of OG EVE players including me. Taste just didnt know who to ask. Get off my boy.
Sha! Have you no shame!? |
Project Truth
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:07:00 -
[116] - Quote
I THINK ALL OF YOU SHOULD BE KICK FROM THE TOURNEY FOR USING EXPLOITS! |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:08:00 -
[117] - Quote
Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win. Do you see a better alternative 2 Million ISK for every corp. Reset banks. But thats puts you in the same situation, even more so since the people with more SP are usually the same people who will build up the isk advantage. But this way, only people who spend wisely win the tournament. The final and drastic solution could be a full reset on the day before tournament, and just leave it at that. |
Project Truth
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:11:00 -
[118] - Quote
The dark cloud wrote:i blame my CEO for giving me so much ISK.
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tHEY ALL DID IT AND sHOuLD HAVE REPORTED |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:12:00 -
[119] - Quote
Icy Tiger wrote:Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win. Do you see a better alternative 2 Million ISK for every corp. Reset banks. But thats puts you in the same situation, even more so since the people with more SP are usually the same people who will build up the isk advantage.
Oh!! i got it!! How about 3mil to each corp and reset banks! =) |
Jimbo Boilstaff
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:13:00 -
[120] - Quote
so,,,, what about the whole...
"Cheating of any sort, including exploitation, sabotage, etc., will result in all members of the cheating team being banned from both DUST 514 and EVE Online-«."
rule???
I'm not suggesting anyone should be in trouble for this,,, but those of you who did it (and abused it) are incredibly brave doing it so close to the tournament! (especially risking the entire team!) |
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Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:14:00 -
[121] - Quote
Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win. Do you see a better alternative 2 Million ISK for every corp. Reset banks. But thats puts you in the same situation, even more so since the people with more SP are usually the same people who will build up the isk advantage.
What none of you seem to understand is that everyone still has their own personal wallet, I could fund myself proto gear (if I had the SP to use it) without a billion from a corp's blood money. I could also easily donate my personal wallet to the corp after the wipe, which could then be distributed to people who can use it. Unless you wiped EVERYONE'S wallet, not just the corp's, then spamming could still be an issue. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:14:00 -
[122] - Quote
Every corp gets a billion isk at beginning of tournament. We play for bragging and recruiting rights.
Everyone that logs in and plays during tournament days gets all the goodies.
Let's face it we all want that lav. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:15:00 -
[123] - Quote
Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:so,,,, what about the whole...
"Cheating of any sort, including exploitation, sabotage, etc., will result in all members of the cheating team being banned from both DUST 514 and EVE Online-«."
rule???
I'm not suggesting anyone should be in trouble for this,,, but those of you who did it (and abused it) are incredibly brave doing it so close to the tournament! (especially risking the entire team!) Our whole corp did it! We had no idea it was even against the rules, but after the dev's posted that it wasn't we stopped, i still got like a billion isk in my wallet.. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:16:00 -
[124] - Quote
HowDidThatTaste wrote:Every corp gets a billion isk at beginning of tournament. We play for bragging and recruiting rights. Everyone that logs in and plays during tournament days gets all the goodies. Let's face it we all want that lav.
MY LAV!!!! |
Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:16:00 -
[125] - Quote
HowDidThatTaste wrote:Every corp gets a billion isk at beginning of tournament. We play for bragging and recruiting rights. Everyone that logs in and plays during tournament days gets all the goodies. Let's face it we all want that lav. I want my officer pirate snipers and if I have to steal them from someone else I will get them when this is all over. |
Jimbo Boilstaff
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:17:00 -
[126] - Quote
D3aTH D3alER54 wrote:Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:so,,,, what about the whole...
"Cheating of any sort, including exploitation, sabotage, etc., will result in all members of the cheating team being banned from both DUST 514 and EVE Online-«."
rule???
I'm not suggesting anyone should be in trouble for this,,, but those of you who did it (and abused it) are incredibly brave doing it so close to the tournament! (especially risking the entire team!) Our whole corp did it! We had no idea it was even against the rules, but after the dev's posted that it wasn't we stopped, i still got like a billion isk in my wallet..
like i said,,, brave finding a potential 'exploit' to fund yourselves a massive stock of whatever in time for the tournament..... at least your all in it together! |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:17:00 -
[127] - Quote
Mmmmm the LAV body count I could have with that. |
14U NDFACE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:18:00 -
[128] - Quote
D3aTH D3alER54 wrote:Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:so,,,, what about the whole...
"Cheating of any sort, including exploitation, sabotage, etc., will result in all members of the cheating team being banned from both DUST 514 and EVE Online-«."
rule???
I'm not suggesting anyone should be in trouble for this,,, but those of you who did it (and abused it) are incredibly brave doing it so close to the tournament! (especially risking the entire team!) Our whole corp did it! We had no idea it was even against the rules, but after the dev's posted that it wasn't we stopped, i still got like a billion isk in my wallet..
WHY not report it before doing it? If they never said a thing then your corp would have went ahead in the Tourney and just said "Oops" if caught after. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:18:00 -
[129] - Quote
Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:D3aTH D3alER54 wrote:Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:so,,,, what about the whole...
"Cheating of any sort, including exploitation, sabotage, etc., will result in all members of the cheating team being banned from both DUST 514 and EVE Online-«."
rule???
I'm not suggesting anyone should be in trouble for this,,, but those of you who did it (and abused it) are incredibly brave doing it so close to the tournament! (especially risking the entire team!) Our whole corp did it! We had no idea it was even against the rules, but after the dev's posted that it wasn't we stopped, i still got like a billion isk in my wallet.. like i said,,, brave finding a potential 'exploit' to fund yourselves a massive stock of whatever in time for the tournament..... at least your all in it together!
It's not our fault we had no say over it!! A couple of EvE guys just kept giving us ISK!! We couldn't do anything lol... |
14U NDFACE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:23:00 -
[130] - Quote
You all saw it as an opportunity to gain an advantage in the tourney and you all would have kept it secret until caught. It wasnGÇÖt tell some GÇ£Lameo spilled the beans to help others do it and now your like GÇ£I didnGÇÖt mean to.GÇ¥ YES YOU DID! You should be held out of the tournament for it |
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Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
10
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:23:00 -
[131] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:@Dias Bailey
Without a market there can be no inflation as a consequence of the sudden influx of cash. Prices are set, there is no exchange of goods between players. All ISK currently in DUST is created from thin air at the end of each match. There is no supply and demand. There is no scarcity. There is no economy. Your wallet balance in DUST is nothing more than your score on Pac-man. What has happened here provides no valuable data for study and simply allows certain players to purchase more stuff than others.
Not getting in to ethics or morality with you, just pointing out there is nothing to be learned from this at all except for CCP not catching this ahead of time. Each player is completely isolated financially from every other player.
PS: Props for working Gaussian in to a post of a video game forum. It's interesting the types on players EVE attracts.
we agree more than you think. the exception may be that i believe there is always information to be gained and analyzed.
irl i have a degree in applied mathematics. my focus was studying how to quantify evolutionary processes by a thermodynamic representation. eve, and now dust's group dynamics were a huge influence in determining just how evolution works at a fundamental level. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:25:00 -
[132] - Quote
It's not my ISK.. I uhh, I'm just holding on to it. For a friend.
So do all of these corporations get an automatic disqualification from the tourney for using an exploit? Or will they all just get banned post tourney for using weapons bought with laundered ISK?
Was this some kind of test? I am pretty sure my corp. Osmon Surveillance, is in the clear... Now if only our fearless leader would enter us. We have tons of members. |
Ultra Boomer2
GRIM MARCH SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:26:00 -
[133] - Quote
Just curious about something. Being beta testers, is this not the kind of thing that we have the privlidge to find so CCP can fix? we entered into this beta knowing that things such as this would happen. my personal opinion is that things should be left how they are for the tourney, but supply every participating corp with around 10 million or so and leave SP and assets alone to even the playing field. Face it, for any corps who did this, and extra 10 mil will probably mean nothing. this would be a great chance to test how an influx of EVE money would affect future events like this one. Then do a character wipe right after the champion match. would that not work while also making sure that corps in the tourney are at their best, instead of. just getting back on their feet on the big day? |
Jimbo Boilstaff
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:26:00 -
[134] - Quote
dude im with ya...... think itll make the tournament more fun for everyone being able to pull whatever tricks you want.....
and im sure there's different levels of 'involvement' with this (im looking at the boosters in particular lol),,,,
but, its an obvious fault right??? suddenly being able to give yourself a billion isk.... or are you telling me it seems fair and 'balanced' to be able to do this..... theres no arguement to say its a fair mechanism for the game so close to a tournament
funny how everyone was asking a few days ago exactly what this clause in the rules meant,,,,, then conveniently forget about it as soon as something shows up they can use to get an edge...
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TUL Lord Zero
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
0
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:26:00 -
[135] - Quote
Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:so,,,, what about the whole...
"Cheating of any sort, including exploitation, sabotage, etc., will result in all members of the cheating team being banned from both DUST 514 and EVE Online-«."
rule???
I'm not suggesting anyone should be in trouble for this,,, but those of you who did it (and abused it) are incredibly brave doing it so close to the tournament! (especially risking the entire team!)
you are all acting like it was an illegal thing to do |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:27:00 -
[136] - Quote
Cloudy Zan wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:They shouldn't wipe it. They could use this data to create some sort of tax system when it comes to transferring ISk to Dust players. lol you just don't want to go back to being poor I wasn't poor before.
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Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:27:00 -
[137] - Quote
Aighun wrote:It's not my ISK.. I uhh, I'm just holding on to it. For a friend.
So do all of these corporations get an automatic disqualification from the tourney for using an exploit? Or will they all just get banned post tourney for using weapons bought with laundered ISK?
Was this some kind of test? I am pretty sure my corp. Osmon Surveillance, is in the clear... Now if only our fearless leader would enter us. We have tons of members. CCP already said my bad, so I doubt anyone will get band or punished |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:28:00 -
[138] - Quote
Dias Bailey wrote:my focus was in studying how quantify evolutionary processes, via thermodynamic representation. eve, and now dust's group dynamics was a huge influence in determining just how evolution works at a fundamental level.
I like to consider myself pretty smart...and I have to say there is no way that sentence has any meaning whatsoever. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
1620
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:30:00 -
[139] - Quote
14U NDFACE wrote:You all saw it as an opportunity to gain an advantage in the tourney and you all would have kept it secret until caught. It wasnGÇÖt tell some GÇ£Lameo spilled the beans to help others do it and now your like GÇ£I didnGÇÖt mean to.GÇ¥ YES YOU DID! You should be held out of the tournament for it
Hey TCD did it and reported it. I was then told by [email protected] that it was ok and only then did we use it. I don't think we should be punished for this. Now I cant speak for anyone else on this Including individual members.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41966&find=unread |
Jimbo Boilstaff
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:30:00 -
[140] - Quote
TUL Lord Zero wrote:Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:so,,,, what about the whole...
"Cheating of any sort, including exploitation, sabotage, etc., will result in all members of the cheating team being banned from both DUST 514 and EVE Online-«."
rule???
I'm not suggesting anyone should be in trouble for this,,, but those of you who did it (and abused it) are incredibly brave doing it so close to the tournament! (especially risking the entire team!) you are all acting like it was an illegal thing to do
blatant exploit of a flawed mechanism....
not saying a banworthy offence,,, just saying is brave to risk it having been,,,,,, more questioning most peoples sanity if this tournaments so important |
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Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:33:00 -
[141] - Quote
Jimbo Boilstaff wrote: blatant exploit of a flawed mechanism....
not saying a banworthy offence,,, just saying is brave to risk it having been,,,,,, more questioning most peoples sanity if this tournaments so important
LOL no one knew it was a flawed mechanic |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:33:00 -
[142] - Quote
Logi Bro wrote:Dias Bailey wrote:my focus was in studying how quantify evolutionary processes, via thermodynamic representation. eve, and now dust's group dynamics was a huge influence in determining just how evolution works at a fundamental level. I like to consider myself pretty smart...and I have to say there is no way that sentence has any meaning whatsoever.
Lol |
Jimbo Boilstaff
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:35:00 -
[143] - Quote
Cloudy Zan wrote:Jimbo Boilstaff wrote: blatant exploit of a flawed mechanism....
not saying a banworthy offence,,, just saying is brave to risk it having been,,,,,, more questioning most peoples sanity if this tournaments so important
LOL no one knew it was a flawed mechanic
but my point is,,, it obviously is a flawed mechanic if you look at current pricing within dust....
you're kidding me if part of you didnt think youd hit gold.... being able to buy more than you ever could have dreamt of before....
this is a flawed mechanism |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:36:00 -
[144] - Quote
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
We will obviously see ISK flow between the games at some point but there are 2 important reasons why we want to lock it down for now: - ISK on SiSi is meaningless for EVE players because it is their test server not the live server - We need to make sure everything is economically stable first and then ease the flow in or risk unbalancing one of the games. At this stage, the dust economy is still finding its feet so we are not ready for that yet.
I'm sorry, I am going to have to call you on this: -ISK on Dust is also meaningless for Dust players because it is our test server and not the live server. -There is NO Dust economy. We cannot sell. We cannot trade. Therefore, there is no economy. |
Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
10
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:37:00 -
[145] - Quote
Logi Bro wrote:Dias Bailey wrote:my focus was in studying how quantify evolutionary processes, via thermodynamic representation. eve, and now dust's group dynamics was a huge influence in determining just how evolution works at a fundamental level. I like to consider myself pretty smart...and I have to say there is no way that sentence has any meaning whatsoever.
i are study math, not so much grammar where |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:39:00 -
[146] - Quote
Dias Bailey wrote: we agree more than you think. the exception may be that i believe there is always information to be gained and analyzed.
irl i have a degree in applied mathematics. my focus was in studying how quantify evolutionary processes, via thermodynamic representation. eve, and now dust's group dynamics was a huge influence in determining just how evolution works at a fundamental level.
Yea, I see what you are saying. And true, there is always data from any situation. I just meant that markets are dynamic and this is completely static so won't really be useful in the economics of the game. And the distribution of wealth is the same way. But still, there's stuff to be learned for sure.
Interesting field of study. I'm assuming applications of entropy and enthalpy? Can't really see the work/heat thing relating to an evolutionary system. But if you've worked zero-point energy in there somehow that would be impressive. If you are using entropy/enthalpy do they represent a level of homogeny? Or am I completely off base? Sounds really interesting, shame I don't think there's any kind of PM function here. Don't want to clog the forums up any more than they are. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:43:00 -
[147] - Quote
CCP Nullarbor wrote: - We need to make sure everything is economically stable first and then ease the flow in or risk unbalancing one of the games. At this stage, the dust economy is still finding its feet so we are not ready for that yet.
Another reason I initially thought this was indeed intended, we have played without "EVE ISK" for upwards of a month on this build. Time to see what happens with EVE ISK.
At least something was learned from it I think. 1. Dust toons with large amount of ISK (billions of it) on them seem less stable. At least I noticed this on this toon. Even after just about all of it were moved to the dust corp wallet. 2. There is no current way to move the Dust isk back to EVE. Probably in part because we now know the ISK flow weren't supposed to happen. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:44:00 -
[148] - Quote
Mister Hunt wrote: -There is NO Dust economy. We cannot sell. We cannot trade. Therefore, there is no economy.
Pretty much this. Technically there's no economy because there is no scarcity. That's kind of a crucial point though, in understanding how this economy is going to be. Not really scarcity in EVE either, but that's something else entirely. But you're right, no scarcity means no trading which means no economy. |
Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:48:00 -
[149] - Quote
Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:Cloudy Zan wrote:Jimbo Boilstaff wrote: blatant exploit of a flawed mechanism....
not saying a banworthy offence,,, just saying is brave to risk it having been,,,,,, more questioning most peoples sanity if this tournaments so important
LOL no one knew it was a flawed mechanic but my point is,,, it obviously is a flawed mechanic if you look at current pricing within dust.... you're kidding me if part of you didnt think youd hit gold.... being able to buy more than you ever could have dreamt of before.... this is a flawed mechanism That's why I , as well as many others I know, didn't use the isk but CCP was unclear about the transfer and gave some people the idea that it was ok. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:48:00 -
[150] - Quote
Knightshade Belladonna wrote:LOL at those who are taunting ccp with " well I already spent my 20-50 mil and am good til wipe , so nah nah nah you can't touch me".... just as easily as they can wipe a wallet, they can wipe assets, and when you taunt them they can make it a pretty sad day for you. Ask some of the bots or rmt guys that got to stick in the game after thinking they could get away with it instead of a ban lol. Huge red wallets , no assets, can't use market.. fun game
CCP already said they weren't looking at a smack down. But I do expect a reset of corp and players wallets who received these funds, but not going into the red. If all fails, I assume they do have a DB backup dating to before DT Thursday where the Sisi connection were first enabled. |
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Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:52:00 -
[151] - Quote
Yea, I honestly can't say what I think they should do. I mean it's all speculation anyway, cause I'm not in the driver's seat. They're trying to test out the balance of the game so a certain group of players that are somewhat interrelated having possibly orders of magnitude more funds than everyone else could be a problem testing things out. |
Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
10
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:56:00 -
[152] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:Dias Bailey wrote: we agree more than you think. the exception may be that i believe there is always information to be gained and analyzed.
irl i have a degree in applied mathematics. my focus was in studying how quantify evolutionary processes, via thermodynamic representation. eve, and now dust's group dynamics was a huge influence in determining just how evolution works at a fundamental level.
Yea, I see what you are saying. And true, there is always data from any situation. I just meant that markets are dynamic and this is completely static so won't really be useful in the economics of the game. And the distribution of wealth is the same way. But still, there's stuff to be learned for sure. Interesting field of study. I'm assuming applications of entropy and enthalpy? Can't really see the work/heat thing relating to an evolutionary system. But if you've worked zero-point energy in there somehow that would be impressive. If you are using entropy/enthalpy do they represent a level of homogeny? Or am I completely off base? Sounds really interesting, shame I don't think there's any kind of PM function here. Don't want to clog the forums up any more than they are.
if we were allowed to keep the isk, you would be able to see the distribution of wealth form over the course of this build. this is insight into a group dynamic. if CCP are concerned about their more casual players, understanding how isk is distributed from the wealthy to the poor is incredibly insightful. currently, there is not much more information to gain on the economics of this build. the unintended behavior is an opportunity to study unintended behavior.
i would love to talk about my studies with you ingame some time. its a bit off topic for this thread. in short, you are very much on the base. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:57:00 -
[153] - Quote
What are they going to do about the spent ISK? Will they reset whatever you bought with the EvE isk? |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:59:00 -
[154] - Quote
Ahhhh love seeing this still being top topic, haven't had a good multi-page thread about a good controverse in sometime.
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Dover inthe Sky
11
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Posted - 2012.10.21 04:00:00 -
[155] - Quote
D3aTH D3alER54 wrote:What are they going to do about the spent ISK? Will they reset whatever you bought with the EvE isk?
There is no telling really I know that what I bought would be easy to find because all I bought was a bunch of drop ships so I could learn how to fly the things. lol |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.21 04:02:00 -
[156] - Quote
Dover inthe Sky wrote:D3aTH D3alER54 wrote:What are they going to do about the spent ISK? Will they reset whatever you bought with the EvE isk? There is no telling really I know that what I bought would be easy to find because all I bought was a bunch of drop ships so I could learn how to fly the things. lol
Lol, yeah i bought like 200-300 DS just trying out different fits that would otherwise cost me a heap lol |
Dover inthe Sky
11
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Posted - 2012.10.21 04:09:00 -
[157] - Quote
D3aTH D3alER54 wrote:Dover inthe Sky wrote:D3aTH D3alER54 wrote:What are they going to do about the spent ISK? Will they reset whatever you bought with the EvE isk? There is no telling really I know that what I bought would be easy to find because all I bought was a bunch of drop ships so I could learn how to fly the things. lol Lol, yeah i bought like 200-300 DS just trying out different fits that would otherwise cost me a heap lol
See we were all just testing the game with the money we had. more money means more testing right i think that makes some sense. lol |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.10.21 04:09:00 -
[158] - Quote
If only CCP had been half as fast at declaring the War Point boosting as unintended behaviour, it was no less disruptive s this is.
As others have mentioned though. it is not that we can move ISK from EVE to Dust that is the problem, that is going to be essential. It is that we have a player economy on DUST set up as if it was on TQ, while being connected to Sisi, where ISK is essentially free and very easy to make (if you don't already have some, self destruct a couple of capital ships, and you have billions) |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.10.21 04:13:00 -
[159] - Quote
Dewie Cheecham wrote:If only CCP had been half as fast at declaring the War Point boosting as unintended behaviour, it was no less disruptive s this is.
As others have mentioned though. it is not that we can move ISK from EVE to Dust that is the problem, that is going to be essential. It is that we have a player economy on DUST set up as if it was on TQ, while being connected to Sisi, where ISK is essentially free and very easy to make (if you don't already have some, self destruct a couple of capital ships, and you have billions) Our economy here in Dust is NOTHING like what it will be as if it were on TQ. On TQ I can place buy orders and get it for cheaper. Or sell for higher if demand calls for it. Or sell it period. The backlash from this happened solely because a couple people thought it best to claim it would unfairly disrupt the upcoming tourny. CCP has come to this very thread and put out their view. I blew that view right out of the water. Nothing the Dev said in their last post made any sense, and we are all dumber for reading it. Saying that SiSi ISK is different because the Eve players are on a test server and not a live one? Really? What do they think we are doing? This game is FAR from live.
Or, they can do something that makes it all balance out, turn off insurance on SiSi. There is no need for it. Then people won't feel the need to self destruct every 2 minutes for easy ISK. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.21 04:24:00 -
[160] - Quote
Dias Bailey wrote:
if we were allowed to keep the isk, you would be able to see the distribution of wealth form over the course of this build. this is insight into a group dynamic. if CCP are concerned about their more casual players, understanding how isk is distributed from the wealthy to the poor is incredibly insightful. currently, there is not much more information to gain on the economics of this build. the unintended behavior is an opportunity to study unintended behavior.
Sort of but not really. There's not going to be any real redistribution because when you buy something the money simply vanishes. It's not going to move from the corps that transferred the ISK to anyone else, it just vanishes. That's really the main reason that this could throw off the balance of the game for a bit. It's never going to work itself out. Prices are set, quantities are infinite and nothing trickles down. The only distribution is from CEO to corp member. Everyone else is completely isolated. This could possibly turn out to be a big deal, might turn out to be nothing Be interesting to see what CCP does with this one.
BTW, sending whoever it was a mail telling them they CAN transfer ISK from EVE corp to DUST corp wasn't a good way to start. |
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D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.21 04:27:00 -
[161] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:Dias Bailey wrote:
if we were allowed to keep the isk, you would be able to see the distribution of wealth form over the course of this build. this is insight into a group dynamic. if CCP are concerned about their more casual players, understanding how isk is distributed from the wealthy to the poor is incredibly insightful. currently, there is not much more information to gain on the economics of this build. the unintended behavior is an opportunity to study unintended behavior.
Sort of but not really. There's not going to be any real redistribution because when you buy something the money simply vanishes. It's not going to move from the corps that transferred the ISK to anyone else, it just vanishes. That's really the main reason that this could throw off the balance of the game for a bit. It's never going to work itself out. Prices are set, quantities are infinite and nothing trickles down. The only distribution is from CEO to corp member. Everyone else is completely isolated. This could possibly turn out to be a big deal, might turn out to be nothing Be interesting to see what CCP does with this one. BTW, sending whoever it was a mail telling them they CAN transfer ISK from EVE corp to DUST corp wasn't a good way to start.
Amen |
Jimbo Boilstaff
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.10.21 04:30:00 -
[162] - Quote
Ultimately we're lucky this has come out during the beta....
for those of you that were grasping onto some vein of hope there won't be another wipe before 'launch' well your dreams have shattered now lol, they should just leave things be,, or upgrade every merc to 100million isk each and let everyone test out everything fully before the next wipe,,, whats there to lose really?? would sure make an awesome tournament and fun few final weeks of precursor....
Economies are tough to get right in games, i'm glad we have the beta to work all the niggles out first...... god knows theres wastelands of games that have puppy'd up their economy for real, and never recovered |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.21 04:31:00 -
[163] - Quote
Mister Hunt wrote:Saying that SiSi ISK is different because the Eve players are on a test server and not a live one? Really? What do they think we are doing? This game is FAR from live.
Yes, this game is live. When I shoot you, you die. When I buy a suit with the rewards from a match the ISK is gone to me forever. That is live. What they meant is that from time to time a mirror is made of your EVE character's skills, wallet, assets etc. When you log on to SISI it is this mirror that is used. If I have a billion ISK on my EVE toon at the time of the mirror I'll have a billion ISK when I log on to SISI. I then transfer that billion ISK to DUST mercs. When I log back in to EVE that billion ISK is still there. Whatever you do on the SISI server, make money from insurance, transfer all your money to DUST corp, lose a super carrier worth 20 billion, none of it is real and does not transfer back to EVE. Your EVE toon won't be any richer, won't be broke and you'll still have that super carrier. That is what they meant by not live. EVE is persistant, there is no save and load feature. Everything happens in real time with the exception of SISI. That's why they didn't want us to do that. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 04:36:00 -
[164] - Quote
Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:Ultimately we're lucky this has come out during the beta....
for those of you that were grasping onto some vein of hope there won't be another wipe before 'launch' well your dreams have shattered now lol
That hope was "shattered" the second we were tied to Sisi for this build. The reason some of us thought the previous reset would be the last, was because of an earlier dev post suggesting the possibility of having DUST tied to the TQ on this build. That didn't happen. |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.10.21 04:36:00 -
[165] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:Mister Hunt wrote:Saying that SiSi ISK is different because the Eve players are on a test server and not a live one? Really? What do they think we are doing? This game is FAR from live.
Yes, this game is live. When I shoot you, you die. When I buy a suit with the rewards from a match the ISK is gone to me forever. That is live. What they meant is that from time to time a mirror is made of your EVE character's skills, wallet, assets etc. When you log on to SISI it is this mirror that is used. If I have a billion ISK on my EVE toon at the time of the mirror I'll have a billion ISK when I log on to SISI. I then transfer that billion ISK to DUST mercs. When I log back in to EVE that billion ISK is still there. Whatever you do on the SISI server, make money from insurance, transfer all your money to DUST corp, lose a super carrier worth 20 billion, none of it is real and does not transfer back to EVE. Your EVE toon won't be any richer, won't be broke and you'll still have that super carrier. That is what they meant by not live. EVE is persistant, there is no save and load feature. Everything happens in real time with the exception of SISI. That's why they didn't want us to do that. Live means the game is released. This game is still subject to wipes. It is a Beta, aka, in testing. SiSi is a test server. We are playing on a test server. Things on SiSi for Eve are changed a bit to enhance testing, same as with this game. I know that Eve is persistant, this game is not, since it is subject to the aforementioned wipes. Nothing you do matters to the Eve universe, just like you said. Therefore, this game is not live |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 04:48:00 -
[166] - Quote
Ohhhh, I see the confusion. They said the SERVER was live, not made from a back up however long ago. When I said the game was live I meant we are playing it on a live server. I see what happened there. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 05:06:00 -
[167] - Quote
This will be remember as the night that isk crashed the servers and killed communications!
The next few weeks are going to be epic drop ship and tank spamming. And more isk to be earned in game .
Dust off your forge guns boys we are going hunting. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 05:09:00 -
[168] - Quote
HowDidThatTaste wrote:This will be remember as the night that isk crashed the servers and killed communications!
The next few weeks are going to be epic drop ship and tank spamming. And more isk to be earned in game .
Dust off your forge guns boys we are going hunting.
And this is why I don't think this will be a complete disaster. This time a lot of people already have AV trained and ready for action. In the build before last where we did have the free Militia tank spam it started with no one having a counter. This time we do.
That said, I fully expect to see my corp wallet slimmed dramatically, very soon |
Blunt Smkr
Doomheim
62
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Posted - 2012.10.21 05:19:00 -
[169] - Quote
So isk is pretty much pointless now sad cause i actually liked the facted isk had value an i had to watch wat i spent or used so i wouldnt go broke. It kinda makes me not want to play anymore cause the competitive fun is gone cause any scrub can be handed millions of isk now. An sp doesnt matter either cause of the cap. Dust just got really boring no point to grind anymore |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 05:24:00 -
[170] - Quote
Blunt Smkr wrote:So isk is pretty much pointless now sad cause i actually liked the facted isk had value an i had to watch wat i spent or used so i wouldnt go broke. It kinda makes me not want to play anymore cause the competitive fun is gone cause any scrub can be handed millions of isk now. An sp doesnt matter either cause of the cap. Dust just got really boring no point to grind anymore
It is a beta. mistakes and errors happen. Unintended developments are a must. This is something that need testing before getting onto TQ anyway.
There will be a grind when the game goes live, while some players will be well funded, or fund themselves through EVE, ISK is not going to be free at all. The only problems here are that not everybody did this, and that Sisi ISK is essentially free. |
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Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 05:25:00 -
[171] - Quote
Having a counter is relative. I've gone up against the dropships flown by some of the players that I'm sure were in all this and I'm a bit concerned. Up until now the cost of these things was the best defense against them. Also not sure how much ISK was actually transferred or if most folks truly understand how much ISK might have been transferred. It could be a substantial amount. Numbers like 20 mil were said earlier. No way of knowing if that's BS or not. 20 mil in EVE is pocket change. I'm not sure "spam" really does it justice. I dunno, might not have been that much ISK and might turn out to be nothing. But if the amounts of ISK were numbers like I'm thinking it could be an issue. The ISK was free to them, no risk. So it could be a substantial advantage. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 05:32:00 -
[172] - Quote
Dewie Cheecham wrote:Blunt Smkr wrote:So isk is pretty much pointless now sad cause i actually liked the facted isk had value an i had to watch wat i spent or used so i wouldnt go broke. It kinda makes me not want to play anymore cause the competitive fun is gone cause any scrub can be handed millions of isk now. An sp doesnt matter either cause of the cap. Dust just got really boring no point to grind anymore It is a beta. mistakes and errors happen. Unintended developments are a must. This is something that need testing before getting onto TQ anyway. There will be a grind when the game goes live, while some players will be well funded, or fund themselves through EVE, ISK is not going to be free at all. The only problems here are that not everybody did this, and that Sisi ISK is essentially free.
I'm thinking the current prices were done for ease of calculation. I can't imagine suits are going to continue costing 4k ISK and such. Maybe so, but I'm thinking CCP had a plan in place for that and that this is not really going to be useful because the value of ISK is currently so unbalanced. I really can't imagine a tank costing 1 or 2 million ISK. That's not even the cost of a mining laser. You don't think a group of players able to finance 1,000 tanks each right now isn't going to be a problem? |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
886
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 05:34:00 -
[173] - Quote
Blunt Smkr wrote:So isk is pretty much pointless now sad cause i actually liked the facted isk had value an i had to watch wat i spent or used so i wouldnt go broke. It kinda makes me not want to play anymore cause the competitive fun is gone cause any scrub can be handed millions of isk now. An sp doesnt matter either cause of the cap. Dust just got really boring no point to grind anymore
You're right blunt....being able to hand millions to dust mercs does water down the grind now. If they do so, then they need to place a very hard cap on it. |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
230
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 05:42:00 -
[174] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:Having a counter is relative. I've gone up against the dropships flown by some of the players that I'm sure were in all this and I'm a bit concerned. Up until now the cost of these things was the best defense against them. Also not sure how much ISK was actually transferred or if most folks truly understand how much ISK might have been transferred. It could be a substantial amount. Numbers like 20 mil were said earlier. No way of knowing if that's BS or not. 20 mil in EVE is pocket change. I'm not sure "spam" really does it justice. I dunno, might not have been that much ISK and might turn out to be nothing. But if the amounts of ISK were numbers like I'm thinking it could be an issue. The ISK was free to them, no risk. So it could be a substantial advantage. Trillions were transfered. That is with a "T" |
Conraire
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.10.21 06:10:00 -
[175] - Quote
I'll fully admit that I had done so as well, fairly early today. And it was before the Dev post saying it was unintended. Though I doubt I transferred anywhere near the amount many others did. Though, I've only spent about 3mil - 4mil, and didn't spend it on anything other than restocking what I already had, and buying a few skill books I'd been struggling to grind for. The hard reality is, even in the previous build, once i hit 5mil or so isk, I had no problem maintaining that. No intention of participating in the tourney. And had been holding out on joining a corp until I could actually recruit myself into my own EVE corp and make myself a director.
But, I can understand their decision to reset or rollback wallets if that's what it comes to.
Some issues that I see though. This would definitely unbalance things for the tournament, though less than some people think. In a fps, money will always technically be secondary to actual player skill and ability. I can't count how many times I get mowed down by random spawn gun with a militia AR due to dumb luck, regardless of what I was using. The lack of isk rewards have made HAV's for the most part non existent until fairly recently, thus giving me nothing to worthwhile to fire my forge guns at. That coupled with the previous WP farming problems. Due to lack of ISK, everyone except those in the corps like STB, and the others that formed right off the bat have not been able to compete or use much more than BPO suits/mods. And a great amount of the ISK some of those corps had, came from the Previously temp patched WP farming issues. Which I'm going to say likely imbalanced the economy just as much, if not more than this has.
On the other hand, this gives an opportunity to see how peoples spending habits change or would change due to influx of ISK from EVE once the game moves to TQ. The other issue is, you can't balance economics, without there being a real economy. We aren't going to know how much things will cost in reality, until A: we can buy and sell loot mods and weapons(where we know what kind of value people put on things). B: Dust basic and meta 1 mods are able to be manufactured, at which point we know resource cost to build, which would determine true base prices for mods and suits.. You have to remember anything about meta 1 and basic mods in EVE, are loot items. Some more common than others. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 06:32:00 -
[176] - Quote
Mister Hunt wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:But if the amounts of ISK were numbers like I'm thinking it could be an issue. The ISK was free to them, no risk. So it could be a substantial advantage. Trillions were transfered. That is with a "T"
Unfortunately those were the numbers I was thinking of. If true, and yea it probably is, then it might very well become an issue to be addressed. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
1620
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 06:32:00 -
[177] - Quote
The part that sucks the most is that this is taking time and man power away from CCP in working on Dust |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
666
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 06:33:00 -
[178] - Quote
Conraire wrote:
And had been holding out on joining a corp until I could actually recruit myself into my own EVE corp and make myself a director.
Ha, for a second while reading this I was thinking "Hmmm, The Whitesnake Consortium..." and rocking out to "Here I go Again" in my head but then I realized it was past my bedtime.
CCP have said that they fully support multiboxing. And it is, all in all, a good thing that we are running into this now and seeing a lot of different examples of how the money transfer has taken place and it's gotten people are thinking about the ramifications.... very interesting.
I wonder if this ISK influx will trickle down to the general beta tester population and if we will see an overall rise in end of match payouts... |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
230
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 06:38:00 -
[179] - Quote
That is true Zion. I firmly believe that the issue with the voice communications tonight when they brought the servers down is directly related to the "fix" that they probably instituted (I dunno, I'm at work) for the ISK problem. Just they didn't realize that the voice comms were somehow tied to it. Something that many companies run in to, so not a knock on them in any way. Just maybe giving them a hint at what to look at hehe. And yes, I am quite aware they probably have looked at whatever they did pretty much immediately to figure out what in the heck happened. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 07:53:00 -
[180] - Quote
Mister Hunt wrote:That is true Zion. I firmly believe that the issue with the voice communications tonight when they brought the servers down is directly related to the "fix" that they probably instituted (I dunno, I'm at work) for the ISK problem. Just they didn't realize that the voice comms were somehow tied to it. Something that many companies run in to, so not a knock on them in any way. Just maybe giving them a hint at what to look at hehe. And yes, I am quite aware they probably have looked at whatever they did pretty much immediately to figure out what in the heck happened.
Seems like someone mentioned earlier that characters with huge wallet balances were unstable. Could be an overflow issue, or something similar. I'd wager this isn't all coincidence. |
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2012.10.21 08:05:00 -
[181] - Quote
How kitten backwards is this though? They set a cap on skill points so that newbies can compete yet eve vets can transfer billions of isk to dust characters like its nothing.
What's the deal with that??? |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 08:07:00 -
[182] - Quote
Zion Shad wrote:The part that sucks the most is that this is taking time and man power away from CCP in working on Dust
No. They are working on dust. If tonight's instability is in any way or form related to the probably HUGE number of items suddenly being bought from the market, along with an unknown number of players and corps with very large wallets, we found a major bug. They are working on figuring this bug out. So time is not being taken away from DUST. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 08:50:00 -
[183] - Quote
@CCP May I suggest putting up a sticky with for instance the message "Don't transfer ISK from EVE" in the headline?
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Jariel Manton
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
210
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 09:13:00 -
[184] - Quote
Dewie Cheecham wrote:Zion Shad wrote:The part that sucks the most is that this is taking time and man power away from CCP in working on Dust No. They are working on dust. If tonight's instability is in any way or form related to the probably HUGE number of items suddenly being bought from the market, along with an unknown number of players and corps with very large wallets, we found a major bug. They are working on figuring this bug out. So time is not being taken away from DUST.
I''m not sure what you reasoning behind this is. I dont see the logic i guess, why would buying more than normal amounts of products account for a mic bug.
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Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 09:19:00 -
[185] - Quote
Jariel Manton wrote:Dewie Cheecham wrote:Zion Shad wrote:The part that sucks the most is that this is taking time and man power away from CCP in working on Dust No. They are working on dust. If tonight's instability is in any way or form related to the probably HUGE number of items suddenly being bought from the market, along with an unknown number of players and corps with very large wallets, we found a major bug. They are working on figuring this bug out. So time is not being taken away from DUST. I''m not sure what you reasoning behind this is. I dont see the logic i guess, why would buying more than normal amounts of products account for a mic bug.
I have no idea. I don't think they are, I'm referring to the ISK "bug" where some problems have been observed when people do it. My guess is that they had to restart the server over instabilities that may have arisen over the large amounts of ISK that flooded into DUST. The Mic bug then happened when the server was brought up again. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 09:21:00 -
[186] - Quote
Ydubbs81 RND wrote:How kitten backwards is this though? They set a cap on skill points so that newbies can compete yet eve vets can transfer billions of isk to dust characters like its nothing.
What's the deal with that???
For now, it is unintended behaviour (CCP's word). Once DUST is released, it'll be fully intended with the difference that the ISK won't be "free" |
Angrim Khan
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.10.21 09:37:00 -
[187] - Quote
Dewie Cheecham wrote:Zion Shad wrote:The part that sucks the most is that this is taking time and man power away from CCP in working on Dust No. They are working on dust. If tonight's instability is in any way or form related to the probably HUGE number of items suddenly being bought from the market, along with an unknown number of players and corps with very large wallets, we found a major bug. They are working on figuring this bug out. So time is not being taken away from DUST.
The whole point of a Beta. So ultimately this is a good thing. Imagine if the full release came without this being discovered. The reimbursements and confiscations would be a nightmare for players and the GM's. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 10:06:00 -
[188] - Quote
Angrim Khan wrote:Dewie Cheecham wrote:Zion Shad wrote:The part that sucks the most is that this is taking time and man power away from CCP in working on Dust No. They are working on dust. If tonight's instability is in any way or form related to the probably HUGE number of items suddenly being bought from the market, along with an unknown number of players and corps with very large wallets, we found a major bug. They are working on figuring this bug out. So time is not being taken away from DUST. The whole point of a Beta. So ultimately this is a good thing. Imagine if the full release came without this being discovered. The reimbursements and confiscations would be a nightmare for players and the GM's.
It's actually going to be intended when the game launches, so it won't be an issue. I've been hearing a lot about this could be a good thing. Not really. This is a situation that will never happen after release. Once the game has an economy stuff like this could provide some insight, but now. Not like this. |
Osiris Greywolf
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.10.21 10:35:00 -
[189] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:Angrim Khan wrote:Dewie Cheecham wrote:Zion Shad wrote:The part that sucks the most is that this is taking time and man power away from CCP in working on Dust No. They are working on dust. If tonight's instability is in any way or form related to the probably HUGE number of items suddenly being bought from the market, along with an unknown number of players and corps with very large wallets, we found a major bug. They are working on figuring this bug out. So time is not being taken away from DUST. The whole point of a Beta. So ultimately this is a good thing. Imagine if the full release came without this being discovered. The reimbursements and confiscations would be a nightmare for players and the GM's. It's actually going to be intended when the game launches, so it won't be an issue. I've been hearing a lot about this could be a good thing. Not really. This is a situation that will never happen after release. Once the game has an economy stuff like this could provide some insight, but now. Not like this.
Well, considering the fact that this happenned, I wouldn't be too sure. |
poopchucker9900
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
30
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Posted - 2012.10.21 11:24:00 -
[190] - Quote
CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate.
you guys just got served! |
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Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 11:43:00 -
[191] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:Angrim Khan wrote:Dewie Cheecham wrote:Zion Shad wrote:The part that sucks the most is that this is taking time and man power away from CCP in working on Dust No. They are working on dust. If tonight's instability is in any way or form related to the probably HUGE number of items suddenly being bought from the market, along with an unknown number of players and corps with very large wallets, we found a major bug. They are working on figuring this bug out. So time is not being taken away from DUST. The whole point of a Beta. So ultimately this is a good thing. Imagine if the full release came without this being discovered. The reimbursements and confiscations would be a nightmare for players and the GM's. It's actually going to be intended when the game launches, so it won't be an issue. I've been hearing a lot about this could be a good thing. Not really. This is a situation that will never happen after release. Once the game has an economy stuff like this could provide some insight, but now. Not like this.
The potential bugs observed in this certainly weren't intended. That is a good thing though. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 11:45:00 -
[192] - Quote
poopchucker9900 wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate. you guys just got served!
Did we?
We weren't being secretive at all, even going so far as to ask the forum if this was really intended. We got our answer, and hopefully people stopped doing it. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 11:48:00 -
[193] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:This is a situation that will never happen after release. Once the game has an economy stuff like this could provide some insight, but now. Not like this.
This was unintended, but as for it being useless, not by a long shot. Remember we are only a handful of players working on the market. if it destabilize the server now, as some indication may suggest it did, imagine what will happen with 10 or 20 times the number of players.
Even failure provides valuable data. Often more than success does. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.10.21 12:07:00 -
[194] - Quote
i have trouble understanding this being considered an exploit .
Isnt the whole purpose of the game to mix the two communities ? To have EVE corporations and dust ones working together ? I thought ISK would be the best mean to do it. Fund mercs, get back something in return.
Now, What the french started a corp 8 month ago in EVE and worked to get that ISK. And we shouldnt be able to use it in dust ? Why exactly ?
Now, i see people being worried about corps using tons of ISK in every contract they'll get. But, those rich corp will have no interest in wasting tons of ISK, no matter how deep their pocket are, unless the end game cant earn back more isk than was used.
Yet, i get it when coming to the tester's tournament that it will make things a LOT unbalanced for corps who have big HAVs users. But, this is an extraordinary case as i dont see this type of tournament being organised that often.
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Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
10
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Posted - 2012.10.21 14:18:00 -
[195] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:Dias Bailey wrote:
if we were allowed to keep the isk, you would be able to see the distribution of wealth form over the course of this build. this is insight into a group dynamic. if CCP are concerned about their more casual players, understanding how isk is distributed from the wealthy to the poor is incredibly insightful. currently, there is not much more information to gain on the economics of this build. the unintended behavior is an opportunity to study unintended behavior.
Sort of but not really. There's not going to be any real redistribution because when you buy something the money simply vanishes. It's not going to move from the corps that transferred the ISK to anyone else, it just vanishes. That's really the main reason that this could throw off the balance of the game for a bit. It's never going to work itself out. Prices are set, quantities are infinite and nothing trickles down. The only distribution is from CEO to corp member. Everyone else is completely isolated. This could possibly turn out to be a big deal, might turn out to be nothing Be interesting to see what CCP does with this one.
I agree it doesn't give you the whole picture, but it would give some insightful perspective. and like i said, whatever they were studying about the isk rewards/isk cost before should be understood by now for this build. |
Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
10
|
Posted - 2012.10.21 14:29:00 -
[196] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:Angrim Khan wrote:Dewie Cheecham wrote:Zion Shad wrote:The part that sucks the most is that this is taking time and man power away from CCP in working on Dust No. They are working on dust. If tonight's instability is in any way or form related to the probably HUGE number of items suddenly being bought from the market, along with an unknown number of players and corps with very large wallets, we found a major bug. They are working on figuring this bug out. So time is not being taken away from DUST. The whole point of a Beta. So ultimately this is a good thing. Imagine if the full release came without this being discovered. The reimbursements and confiscations would be a nightmare for players and the GM's. It's actually going to be intended when the game launches, so it won't be an issue. I've been hearing a lot about this could be a good thing. Not really. This is a situation that will never happen after release. Once the game has an economy stuff like this could provide some insight, but now. Not like this.
in eve, i can make roughly 300m in a couple hours of playtime. I plan on fully supporting our sister corp in dust with those wages minus the cost of producing those wages. Now i'm not rich in eve. i have less than 10b in assets probably. Imagine what the big alliance will do.
the beauty of dust is that it could wind up being Eve's greatest isk sink. it currently needs it. there is way too much isk inflation in the game as it is now. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
673
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Posted - 2012.10.21 14:35:00 -
[197] - Quote
I don't understand how its 'not working as intended' though, I mean eve players can give fellow eve players isk, dust is in new eden and isk is a universal currency. Eve players hire dust players so it makes sense that they can give mercs isk to fund their needs on the battlefield, so how is it not working as intended? Ccp please be more clear about this and explain in better detail |
Marlon cart-fost
Doomheim
1
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Posted - 2012.10.21 14:56:00 -
[198] - Quote
i thought the intention was that the mercs were suppose to win the ISK from EVE players through contracts if they succeed in do the contract terms they got paid and if they didn't they don't get paid the contract. |
Deskalkulos Ildigan
CrimeWave Syndicate
115
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Posted - 2012.10.21 14:57:00 -
[199] - Quote
CCP Nullarbor wrote:Jariel Manton wrote: [...]
We will obviously see ISK flow between the games at some point but there are 2 important reasons why we want to lock it down for now: - ISK on SiSi is meaningless for EVE players because it is their test server not the live server - We need to make sure everything is economically stable first and then ease the flow in or risk unbalancing one of the games. At this stage, the dust economy is still finding its feet so we are not ready for that yet.
Well then i can only hope you have fun balancing the economics of two separate games without destroying/changing the feel of the older one (It sure seems to be quite a complex challenge, but some people like challenges i heard). |
Kengfa Akcay
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.10.21 15:11:00 -
[200] - Quote
I say put everybody that spent their isk they transferred into the negatives! |
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.10.21 15:25:00 -
[201] - Quote
Kengfa Akcay wrote:I say put everybody that spent their isk they transferred into the negatives! That ISK is in my character's wallet. I would have to stop playing entirely to avoid using it. Also, they aren't going to punish anyone for finding this loophole, because they confirmed last night that this is part of why they put us back together in the first place. At worst, we'll get an ISK reset to what it was the day before this all happened, and I have no issue with that. Stop being angry that you "missed the party" or something. |
Gregor stormwalker
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3
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Posted - 2012.10.21 15:55:00 -
[202] - Quote
ok this is only my view and speculations but this is how i see it, the resson ccp did not want this to be happening yet is as they say they are trying to workout the economy, at this point they are trying to find a base lvl for the isk being created and used this is importent for the casual player that might not get involved in the high end side of this to start with at lest, they need to find a lvl of isk that allows players to buy the stuff they want but not be so high as not make isk worthless and also give players that have high skills a resson to move away from high sec into the bigger universe
secondly the isk on this server EVE side is worthless im i right? this means that ok in the full game EVE players will be able to send isk over but it will have more importence, I am guessing most EVE corps are not going to just throw isk at dust they are going to want to see a return and wont be senting 5 bil to a corp to attack a planet that is only worth 150 mil a week (i know my numbers are probably wrong the you get the point)
they are tring to build the econormy up step by step 1st with the quick battles this is to create money to put into the system now they have corp v corp so money is starting to flow between the corps, next they might open up the player to player market to allow player to supplement there income by selling loot and allow overplayers to spend less to get there top gear. and then there is player based manufacturing tobe worked out these are alot of things that need to be balanced.
so as i see it this massive injection of isk into the server is not a good thing once everything is sorted the isk will flow between game but right now i think this will course more harm that the SP farming for precision strikes |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.21 15:59:00 -
[203] - Quote
"unintended behavior" "hindering testing of a market"
Did aur sales suddenly go to zero for the last 3 days? |
Lonewolf514
79
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Posted - 2012.10.21 16:04:00 -
[204] - Quote
Knightshade Belladonna wrote:"unintended behavior" "hindering testing of a market"
Did aur sales suddenly go to zero for the last 3 days?
think about it does it matter where they make money? eve or dust. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.21 16:10:00 -
[205] - Quote
Nah it doesn't, tbh I don't undersand why they have been trying push aur so hard lately. Eve is still climbing and gaining more revenue each year than the previous. I just wanted to stir some **** before I leave for the week hehe |
Conraire
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.10.21 18:02:00 -
[206] - Quote
Knightshade Belladonna wrote:"unintended behavior" "hindering testing of a market"
Did aur sales suddenly go to zero for the last 3 days?
Doubt it, I've still been spending Aurum like normal to keep my weapons stocked. Blindfire, blastwave, and farsight. Still takes time to build up SP to use the higher level weapons. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.21 18:15:00 -
[207] - Quote
Conraire wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:"unintended behavior" "hindering testing of a market"
Did aur sales suddenly go to zero for the last 3 days? Doubt it, I've still been spending Aurum like normal to keep my weapons stocked. Blindfire, blastwave, and farsight. Still takes time to build up SP to use the higher level weapons.
Maybe part of the reason for the SP cap right there. Maybe not, but it would make pretty good business sense. |
epicsting
Doomheim
60
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Posted - 2012.10.22 06:08:00 -
[208] - Quote
I had to grind though millions of people to get the chash I have now and im rich sitting a t a comfable 10million I just use the de default drop suit it not hard to kill some one point and shot. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.22 07:48:00 -
[209] - Quote
Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Nah it doesn't, tbh I don't undersand why they have been trying push aur so hard lately. Eve is still climbing and gaining more revenue each year than the previous. I just wanted to stir some **** before I leave for the week hehe
Yeah, it seems all the good games are getting more and more popular as time goes by.. |
angelarch
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.10.22 10:12:00 -
[210] - Quote
CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate.
huh!? I thought that was the whole POINT of playing Dust if you were an EVE player.
I'll have to rethink this whole thing now lol. . .
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angelarch
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.10.22 10:51:00 -
[211] - Quote
CCP Nullarbor wrote:. . . At this stage, the dust economy is still finding its feet so we are not ready for that yet.
Thank you for responding, but seriously:
Q. what Dust economy? Nobody in dust can salvage, recycle, build, trade or sell anything. The clones are free and infinite, the basic suits and weapons are free and infinite. There . . . is. . . no . . . economy to even observe, let alone test inside Dust. I honestly don't know what you are referring to or possibly inferring.
In any case, it is mind boggling to me that it did not occur to CCP that EVE players would want to transfer isk to their dust characters since -[obvious]-- that is what we do inside eve ALL THE TIME EVERY DAY for 9 years between our characters. - Not to mention that it is INTENTIONAL gameplay on EVE to transfer isk between your characters, esp. since CCP went out of their way to ensure that the old [escrow i believe] contract system would guarantee safe transfer of goods and isk from one of your characters to another of yours inside the game - after some severe bugs popped up around it in 2003!
solution: put into Dust some kind of isk transfer cap per week if you don't like it, just like you put an SP cap in. Problem solved.
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Riot Ruckus
Doomheim
56
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:22:00 -
[212] - Quote
Knightshade Belladonna wrote:"unintended behavior" "hindering testing of a market"
Did aur sales suddenly go to zero for the last 3 days?
lol |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.10.22 21:24:00 -
[213] - Quote
I think what totally pisses me off about this whole issue is all the EVE players wanted nerfs to all AUR bought items in this game so that you could flood your own alts with readily available and easily attainable ISK from EVE.
and dont try to act slick..........HELMAR said in an interview that your pilot would not be able to go planet side.But tell me if you can simply transfer ISK from one alt to the other so you can buy infinite tanks and VK.0s and **** the DUST console player right?Then you the "operator" benefit the most.
I see how it is.....I would buy a 20 dollar AUR pack every 2 weeks for equal footing in THIS theater "planet side" and dominate here on the ground.A defacto subscription if you would.But you guys dont want that .OH NO.Cant have that.That would be to expensive to do both,so not being happy with that scenario you plot and congeal for nerfs to the AUR items in DUST all the while plotting to flood your alt with ISK....I mean some of you dont even have the originality and blatantly use the same gamer tag.
Same operator.Same tag.Same corp.Same cash................you're going planet side.Total bullshit. Give me the ability to board your ship and Ill melee/ bust your augmented skull through your console. You guys really wont be happy till you exploit the game to death.CCP is trying to break new ground and get new people into the EVE universe.I mean god forbid they make a game that might rival Halo or Cod,an with that capital make this WHOLE intire universe into a HUGE gaming community.Benefiting both DUST and EVE and you idiots want to wreck/kill it in the BETA stage. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.10.22 22:00:00 -
[214] - Quote
oh gawd,
1 its fracking beta
2 the money isn't real
3 jam your tinfoil hat up your arse eve players don't want to kill the game and I for one handed out money to any dust player that wanted it knowing it would all be wiped away. |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2012.10.22 22:24:00 -
[215] - Quote
Was fun while it lasted. |
Ultra Boomer2
GRIM MARCH SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:24:00 -
[216] - Quote
HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: (really long speech)
conspiracy theory? anyways, just because some of us play eve, and I personaly use my name with a 2 just so i can be identified between games, does not mean that we plan to transfer our fortunes to DUST. I, myself, think the aurum items are good with the advantages they have. why would you nerf something you pay real money for to the same stats as stuff that is (in the real world money perspective) free. I think it should not give a super big game changing advantage, but at least something. which is exactly what it does, it makes some modules easier to fit, even though they do the same as equivalent isk variants. weapons, you can use higher level weapons without the skills, but you are still at a disadvantagge to the people who trained the skills because of the bonus it provides. so, while flooding ISK into the market does give a small advantage from the number of items you can buy, skills and in some cases aurum do still matter. (aurum advantage mainly found in the form of blueprints at this point in time)
you do have a point however that some eve players probably planned to transfer their entire fortunes after buying enough plex to last them till they can afford more, but don't clump all EVE players together into that group.
PS: if anyone is confused reading that paragraph, so am I. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
208
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:48:00 -
[217] - Quote
I also have a profitable Eve presence, but I have no intention to "dump all my isk into DUST" what would I do then ... have 10 years worth of supplies in DUST and nothing to invest in Eve.
This is the issue stated by CCP earlier that isk on Sisi is worthless, hence everything on the Eve test server can be bought for 100 isk. The isk on TQ is a different issue entirely, it can be invested in countless ways to earn profits, so why would anyone lose their profitability to have an unnecessary supply of items in DUST. The sensible way to do it would be to supply what is needed from Eve, ie manufacture your preferred items or buy them in Eve and transfer them to DUST, or just give enough isk to buy what you'll use in a week. Then you fortune in Eve is still there to be used to earn more isk.
Right now we're talking about test server isk which is just sat there since the last mirror and can't be spent if you bought 1 of everything. When we're talking about hard earnt and valuable isk it will be a completely different story. As has already been said ... the big corporations will want to see a return on their investment or it won't be worth funding DUST corps. |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.10.23 00:17:00 -
[218] - Quote
Beld Errmon wrote:oh gawd,
1 its fracking beta
2 the money isn't real
3 jam your tinfoil hat up your arse eve players don't want to kill the game and I for one handed out money to any dust player that wanted it knowing it would all be wiped away.
Ok check this out ass hat.Heres some raw statistical values that maybe you can rap your pee brain around.I convinced 4 of my friends to DL and try this game.Im the only one still playing it.Thats 1 in 5.Twenty percent of the people I know that have tried this game continued to play it.The other 75% were potential CCP customers now they are not.The learning curve is high enough.The bugs are bad enough.When the 5 point maps frame rate drops thru the floor and that makes them wreck there dropship.You know the same one it took him forever to afford.Oh wait no you probably dont understand that one.Without people finding ways to make it even more difficult for new players to get into this game.
You say its BETA .....fraking beta to be exact.They the 75 % dont fking care if its BETA or not and sure as hell wouldnt even care to come to these forums to argue with you about it.......what dont you get.When they go 2 times negative after playing in a match with 6 tanks.Yeah there gonna keep playing a game like that.You got it buddy.This game isnt just about the EVE player its about EXPANDING THE F8CKING PLAYER BASE.YOU KNOW POPULATING THE GAME.
In the 1980's the White House Office of Consumer Affairs commissioned a report called the TARP study. The report revealed the following facts about unhappy customers: * 96% of dissatisfied customers do not complain directly. * 90% will not return. * One unhappy customer will tell nine others. * 13% will tell at least 20 other people"
What does that mean to you?You, by doing stupid ****, are effecting CCP's potential customer base.So ask yourself. Are you helping to expand the community ,or do you not even give a F8ck.Like New Eden is exclusive to you.
Put that on my pipe and smoke it. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.10.23 00:26:00 -
[219] - Quote
Well good news, all the isk has been wiped away, however the assets bought with said isk remain and hopefully that will be fixed soon.
As for your long winded argument, don't care, people continue playing games like battlefield even though they get their arse handed to them by tanks and players who have grinded up gear, dust will not be much different except that battlefinder will actually put them in games with people they can compete against (once its working as intended)
PS couldn't get two kittens about what the white house has to say about anything ever. |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.10.23 01:02:00 -
[220] - Quote
Beld Errmon wrote:Well good news, all the isk has been wiped away, however the assets bought with said isk remain and hopefully that will be fixed soon.
As for your long winded argument, don't care, people continue playing games like battlefield even though they get their arse handed to them by tanks and players who have grinded up gear, dust will not be much different except that battlefinder will actually put them in games with people they can compete against (once its working as intended)
PS couldn't get two kittens about what the white house has to say about anything ever.
Your argument as far as battlefield is concerned is moot.They didnt have to play in 20 matches to afford that tank and make MVP 12 of those 20 matches .......stay on topic.Were talking about in game currency not skills.You sound more ridiculously stupid by the moment. |
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RayRay James
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.10.23 02:25:00 -
[221] - Quote
Beld Errmon wrote:PS couldn't get two kittens about what the white house has to say about anything ever.
You American? That would be part of the problem we're in now...... |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.10.23 03:57:00 -
[222] - Quote
I think some people need to stand back and look at what we have all witnessed...
Funds FROM a game played ONLY on PC, was TRANSFERED to a game ONLY played on PS3!
If I'm not mistaken this could be unprecedented in gaming, if so good job to CCP on making this game one of a kind. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.23 04:07:00 -
[223] - Quote
Belzeebub Santana wrote:I think some people need to stand back and look at what we have all witnessed...
Funds FROM a game played ONLY on PC, was TRANSFERED to a game ONLY played on PS3!
If I'm not mistaken this could be unprecedented in gaming, if so good job to CCP on making this game one of a kind. well that feture is supposed to happend but not at the moment. The devs want a ecconomy between dust and eve. Like on Eve people can produce weapons, equipment and so on. Or hire a corp to gain controll over a certain planet so they can make profit out of it. And funding a corp is included in that by transfering ISK from eve to dust. The only downside is that we got the ISK from the Sisi test server and not from the normal Eve server which has no impact on the ecconomy. |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.10.23 05:03:00 -
[224] - Quote
The dark cloud wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:I think some people need to stand back and look at what we have all witnessed...
Funds FROM a game played ONLY on PC, was TRANSFERED to a game ONLY played on PS3!
If I'm not mistaken this could be unprecedented in gaming, if so good job to CCP on making this game one of a kind. well that feture is supposed to happend but not at the moment. The devs want a ecconomy between dust and eve. Like on Eve people can produce weapons, equipment and so on. Or hire a corp to gain controll over a certain planet so they can make profit out of it. And funding a corp is included in that by transfering ISK from eve to dust. The only downside is that we got the ISK from the Sisi test server and not from the normal Eve server which has no impact on the ecconomy.
Yes I know all of this is supposed to happen, that wasn't my point it's the fact that it is has happened and is probably the first game to do so, that was all I was trying to convey.
CCP making history... |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.23 06:50:00 -
[225] - Quote
DUST's wallet and market don't even use decimal places on the prices. Might not seem like a big deal, but that means not only are prices going to change on release but the actual code is going to be reworked. The current system's prices are probably only a tenth of what they will be on release (rewards would be increased as well). All of this is speculation, but it makes sense as it would simplify things in the beta to use small numbers and would also reduce resource requirements. This is all speculation of course, but could explain why people having billions or more in their wallets could cause stability issues within the game and the reason CCP was not ready for it to happen. |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
417
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Posted - 2012.10.23 07:11:00 -
[226] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:DUST's wallet and market don't even use decimal places on the prices. Might not seem like a big deal, but that means not only are prices going to change on release but the actual code is going to be reworked.
Like...what?
I'm not one to make comments like this, but this is just silly. The difference between a field having decimal places or not in a game like Dust is minute.
My brain is full of ****. |
STYLIE77
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
60
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Posted - 2012.10.23 08:24:00 -
[227] - Quote
Belzeebub Santana wrote:I think some people need to stand back and look at what we have all witnessed...
Funds FROM a game played ONLY on PC, was TRANSFERED to a game ONLY played on PS3!
If I'm not mistaken this could be unprecedented in gaming, if so good job to CCP on making this game one of a kind.
I transferred funds from the PC to players on XBOX and Playstation 2 on Final Fantasy 13.... 10 years ago, and you can still do it today.
No precedent... and as far as the PS3 goes... It's about damned time. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.23 09:16:00 -
[228] - Quote
Leither Yiltron wrote:
Like...what?
I'm not one to make comments like this, but this is just silly. The difference between a field having decimal places or not in a game like Dust is minute.
My brain is full of ****.
I was merely pointing out that in EVE ISK is divided in to hundredths just like normal currency. The fact that DUST does not even display decimal places indicated to me that the current code (all that gibberish that makes computer programs work) was not the final version. If the markets are going to be linked they would both need to be the same. Therefor, the current code that is implemented for DUST wallets and whatnot is only a place holder program and might not be able to handle large amounts of currency. That could be why after the ISK transactions the game got a bit glitchy and unstable and why CCP removed the ISK. Not because it wouldn't be fair any more, but because the game could not handle those large amounts of currency. |
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