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Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2012.10.21 01:38:00 -
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My behavior was very much intended. I shared what i transferred with a lot of other testers. If any one gets the hammer for the isk i've transferred to my friends, please let it be me. However, life is full of unintended behavior and you can not herd cats.
I realize we are testing the economy, but the codex economy will look nothing like the live economy. There is no economy in codex because there is no trade in codex. The sisi isk transfers are a direct result not from exploitation, but the regulation of isk via match rewards. The isk noose has been tightened on the testers this build with the consequence being "unintended behavior". What is ironic in all this, is that considering how much isk has entered the dust "economy" from this consequence, you, CCP, now have a better idea of what the real Dust economy is going to look like. I do not have the means of seeing the data you guys can, but i can guarantee if you plot the distribution of wealth in dust right now, you will see a Gaussian distribution.
"- We need to make sure everything is economically stable first and then ease the flow in or risk unbalancing one of the games. At this stage, the dust economy is still finding its feet so we are not ready for that yet."
if you need help with that, consider this post the cover letter to my resume. consider my resume, the distribution you produce which shows the wealth of dust players after the sisi isk transfers. I will bet that the distribution will look alot more like the wealth of tranquility players, than the wealth of dust players proir to the isk transfers.
you are missing the chance to study what the real dust economy will look like at launch. |
Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:23:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:@Dias Bailey
Without a market there can be no inflation as a consequence of the sudden influx of cash. Prices are set, there is no exchange of goods between players. All ISK currently in DUST is created from thin air at the end of each match. There is no supply and demand. There is no scarcity. There is no economy. Your wallet balance in DUST is nothing more than your score on Pac-man.
What has happened here provides no valuable data for study and simply allows certain players to purchase more stuff than others.
Not getting in to ethics or morality with you, just pointing out there is nothing to be learned from this at all except for CCP not catching this ahead of time. Each player is completely isolated financially from every other player.
PS: Props for working Gaussian in to a post of a video game forum. It's interesting the types on players EVE attracts.
we agree more than you think. the exception may be that i believe there is always information to be gained and analyzed.
irl i have a degree in applied mathematics. my focus was studying how to quantify evolutionary processes by a thermodynamic representation. eve, and now dust's group dynamics were a huge influence in determining just how evolution works at a fundamental level. |
Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:37:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Dias Bailey wrote:my focus was in studying how quantify evolutionary processes, via thermodynamic representation. eve, and now dust's group dynamics was a huge influence in determining just how evolution works at a fundamental level. I like to consider myself pretty smart...and I have to say there is no way that sentence has any meaning whatsoever.
i are study math, not so much grammar where |
Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:56:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Dias Bailey wrote:
we agree more than you think. the exception may be that i believe there is always information to be gained and analyzed.
irl i have a degree in applied mathematics. my focus was in studying how quantify evolutionary processes, via thermodynamic representation. eve, and now dust's group dynamics was a huge influence in determining just how evolution works at a fundamental level.
Yea, I see what you are saying. And true, there is always data from any situation. I just meant that markets are dynamic and this is completely static so won't really be useful in the economics of the game. And the distribution of wealth is the same way. But still, there's stuff to be learned for sure. Interesting field of study. I'm assuming applications of entropy and enthalpy? Can't really see the work/heat thing relating to an evolutionary system. But if you've worked zero-point energy in there somehow that would be impressive. If you are using entropy/enthalpy do they represent a level of homogeny? Or am I completely off base? Sounds really interesting, shame I don't think there's any kind of PM function here. Don't want to clog the forums up any more than they are.
if we were allowed to keep the isk, you would be able to see the distribution of wealth form over the course of this build. this is insight into a group dynamic. if CCP are concerned about their more casual players, understanding how isk is distributed from the wealthy to the poor is incredibly insightful. currently, there is not much more information to gain on the economics of this build. the unintended behavior is an opportunity to study unintended behavior.
i would love to talk about my studies with you ingame some time. its a bit off topic for this thread. in short, you are very much on the base. |
Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2012.10.21 14:18:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Dias Bailey wrote:
if we were allowed to keep the isk, you would be able to see the distribution of wealth form over the course of this build. this is insight into a group dynamic. if CCP are concerned about their more casual players, understanding how isk is distributed from the wealthy to the poor is incredibly insightful. currently, there is not much more information to gain on the economics of this build. the unintended behavior is an opportunity to study unintended behavior.
Sort of but not really. There's not going to be any real redistribution because when you buy something the money simply vanishes. It's not going to move from the corps that transferred the ISK to anyone else, it just vanishes. That's really the main reason that this could throw off the balance of the game for a bit. It's never going to work itself out. Prices are set, quantities are infinite and nothing trickles down. The only distribution is from CEO to corp member. Everyone else is completely isolated. This could possibly turn out to be a big deal, might turn out to be nothing Be interesting to see what CCP does with this one.
I agree it doesn't give you the whole picture, but it would give some insightful perspective. and like i said, whatever they were studying about the isk rewards/isk cost before should be understood by now for this build. |
Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2012.10.21 14:29:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Angrim Khan wrote:Dewie Cheecham wrote:Zion Shad wrote:The part that sucks the most is that this is taking time and man power away from CCP in working on Dust No. They are working on dust. If tonight's instability is in any way or form related to the probably HUGE number of items suddenly being bought from the market, along with an unknown number of players and corps with very large wallets, we found a major bug. They are working on figuring this bug out. So time is not being taken away from DUST. The whole point of a Beta. So ultimately this is a good thing. Imagine if the full release came without this being discovered. The reimbursements and confiscations would be a nightmare for players and the GM's. It's actually going to be intended when the game launches, so it won't be an issue. I've been hearing a lot about this could be a good thing. Not really. This is a situation that will never happen after release. Once the game has an economy stuff like this could provide some insight, but now. Not like this.
in eve, i can make roughly 300m in a couple hours of playtime. I plan on fully supporting our sister corp in dust with those wages minus the cost of producing those wages. Now i'm not rich in eve. i have less than 10b in assets probably. Imagine what the big alliance will do.
the beauty of dust is that it could wind up being Eve's greatest isk sink. it currently needs it. there is way too much isk inflation in the game as it is now. |
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