DUST Search - Transfering Isk to Dust wallets from EvE

Altina McAlterson wrote:

Angrim Khan wrote:

Dewie Cheecham wrote:

Zion Shad wrote:

The part that sucks the most is that this is taking time and man power away from CCP in working on Dust

No. They are working on dust. If tonight's instability is in any way or form related to the probably HUGE number of items suddenly being bought from the market, along with an unknown number of players and corps with very large wallets, we found a major bug. They are working on figuring this bug out. So time is not being taken away from DUST.

The whole point of a Beta. So ultimately this is a good thing. Imagine if the full release came without this being discovered. The reimbursements and confiscations would be a nightmare for players and the GM's.

It's actually going to be intended when the game launches, so it won't be an issue. I've been hearing a lot about this could be a good thing. Not really. This is a situation that will never happen after release. Once the game has an economy stuff like this could provide some insight, but now. Not like this.


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Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.21 03:43:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: - We need to make sure everything is economically stable first and then ease the flow in or risk unbalancing one of the games. At this stage, the dust economy is still finding its feet so we are not ready for that yet. Another reason I initially thought this was indeed intended, we have played without "EVE ISK" for upwards of a month on this build. Time to see what happens with EVE ISK. At least something was learned from it I think. 1. Dust toons with large amount of ISK (billions of it) on them seem less stable. At least I noticed this on this toon. Even after just about all of it were moved to the dust corp wallet. 2. There is no current way to move the Dust isk back to EVE. Probably in part because we now know the ISK flow weren't supposed to happen.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.21 03:48:00 - [2] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: LOL at those who are taunting ccp with " well I already spent my 20-50 mil and am good til wipe , so nah nah nah you can't touch me".... just as easily as they can wipe a wallet, they can wipe assets, and when you taunt them they can make it a pretty sad day for you. Ask some of the bots or rmt guys that got to stick in the game after thinking they could get away with it instead of a ban lol. Huge red wallets , no assets, can't use market.. fun game CCP already said they weren't looking at a smack down. But I do expect a reset of corp and players wallets who received these funds, but not going into the red. If all fails, I assume they do have a DB backup dating to before DT Thursday where the Sisi connection were first enabled.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.21 04:09:00 - [3] - Quote If only CCP had been half as fast at declaring the War Point boosting as unintended behaviour, it was no less disruptive s this is. As others have mentioned though. it is not that we can move ISK from EVE to Dust that is the problem, that is going to be essential. It is that we have a player economy on DUST set up as if it was on TQ, while being connected to Sisi, where ISK is essentially free and very easy to make (if you don't already have some, self destruct a couple of capital ships, and you have billions)
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.21 04:36:00 - [4] - Quote Jimbo Boilstaff wrote: Ultimately we're lucky this has come out during the beta.... for those of you that were grasping onto some vein of hope there won't be another wipe before 'launch' well your dreams have shattered now lol That hope was "shattered" the second we were tied to Sisi for this build. The reason some of us thought the previous reset would be the last, was because of an earlier dev post suggesting the possibility of having DUST tied to the TQ on this build. That didn't happen.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.21 05:09:00 - [5] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: This will be remember as the night that isk crashed the servers and killed communications! The next few weeks are going to be epic drop ship and tank spamming. And more isk to be earned in game . Dust off your forge guns boys we are going hunting. And this is why I don't think this will be a complete disaster. This time a lot of people already have AV trained and ready for action. In the build before last where we did have the free Militia tank spam it started with no one having a counter. This time we do. That said, I fully expect to see my corp wallet slimmed dramatically, very soon
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.21 05:24:00 - [6] - Quote Blunt Smkr wrote: So isk is pretty much pointless now sad cause i actually liked the facted isk had value an i had to watch wat i spent or used so i wouldnt go broke. It kinda makes me not want to play anymore cause the competitive fun is gone cause any scrub can be handed millions of isk now. An sp doesnt matter either cause of the cap. Dust just got really boring no point to grind anymore It is a beta. mistakes and errors happen. Unintended developments are a must. This is something that need testing before getting onto TQ anyway. There will be a grind when the game goes live, while some players will be well funded, or fund themselves through EVE, ISK is not going to be free at all. The only problems here are that not everybody did this, and that Sisi ISK is essentially free.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.21 08:07:00 - [7] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: The part that sucks the most is that this is taking time and man power away from CCP in working on Dust No. They are working on dust. If tonight's instability is in any way or form related to the probably HUGE number of items suddenly being bought from the market, along with an unknown number of players and corps with very large wallets, we found a major bug. They are working on figuring this bug out. So time is not being taken away from DUST.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.21 08:50:00 - [8] - Quote @CCP May I suggest putting up a sticky with for instance the message "Don't transfer ISK from EVE" in the headline?
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.21 09:19:00 - [9] - Quote Jariel Manton wrote: Dewie Cheecham wrote: Zion Shad wrote: The part that sucks the most is that this is taking time and man power away from CCP in working on Dust No. They are working on dust. If tonight's instability is in any way or form related to the probably HUGE number of items suddenly being bought from the market, along with an unknown number of players and corps with very large wallets, we found a major bug. They are working on figuring this bug out. So time is not being taken away from DUST. I''m not sure what you reasoning behind this is. I dont see the logic i guess, why would buying more than normal amounts of products account for a mic bug. I have no idea. I don't think they are, I'm referring to the ISK "bug" where some problems have been observed when people do it. My guess is that they had to restart the server over instabilities that may have arisen over the large amounts of ISK that flooded into DUST. The Mic bug then happened when the server was brought up again.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.21 09:21:00 - [10] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: How kitten backwards is this though? They set a cap on skill points so that newbies can compete yet eve vets can transfer billions of isk to dust characters like its nothing. What's the deal with that??? For now, it is unintended behaviour (CCP's word). Once DUST is released, it'll be fully intended with the difference that the ISK won't be "free"

Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.21 11:43:00 - [11] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Angrim Khan wrote: Dewie Cheecham wrote: Zion Shad wrote: The part that sucks the most is that this is taking time and man power away from CCP in working on Dust No. They are working on dust. If tonight's instability is in any way or form related to the probably HUGE number of items suddenly being bought from the market, along with an unknown number of players and corps with very large wallets, we found a major bug. They are working on figuring this bug out. So time is not being taken away from DUST. The whole point of a Beta. So ultimately this is a good thing. Imagine if the full release came without this being discovered. The reimbursements and confiscations would be a nightmare for players and the GM's. It's actually going to be intended when the game launches, so it won't be an issue. I've been hearing a lot about this could be a good thing. Not really. This is a situation that will never happen after release. Once the game has an economy stuff like this could provide some insight, but now. Not like this. The potential bugs observed in this certainly weren't intended. That is a good thing though.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.21 11:45:00 - [12] - Quote poopchucker9900 wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate. you guys just got served! Did we? We weren't being secretive at all, even going so far as to ask the forum if this was really intended. We got our answer, and hopefully people stopped doing it.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.21 11:48:00 - [13] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: This is a situation that will never happen after release. Once the game has an economy stuff like this could provide some insight, but now. Not like this. This was unintended, but as for it being useless, not by a long shot. Remember we are only a handful of players working on the market. if it destabilize the server now, as some indication may suggest it did, imagine what will happen with 10 or 20 times the number of players. Even failure provides valuable data. Often more than success does.