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angelarch
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.22 10:51:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:. . . At this stage, the dust economy is still finding its feet so we are not ready for that yet.
Thank you for responding, but seriously:
Q. what Dust economy?
Nobody in dust can salvage, recycle, build, trade or sell anything. The clones are free and infinite, the basic suits and weapons are free and infinite. There . . . is. . . no . . . economy to even observe, let alone test inside Dust. I honestly don't know what you are referring to or possibly inferring.
In any case, it is mind boggling to me that it did not occur to CCP that EVE players would want to transfer isk to their dust characters since -[obvious]-- that is what we do inside eve ALL THE TIME EVERY DAY for 9 years between our characters.
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Not to mention that it is INTENTIONAL gameplay on EVE to transfer isk between your characters, esp. since CCP went out of their way to ensure that the old [escrow i believe] contract system would guarantee safe transfer of goods and isk from one of your characters to another of yours inside the game - after some severe bugs popped up around it in 2003!
solution: put into Dust some kind of isk transfer cap per week if you don't like it, just like you put an SP cap in. Problem solved.
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Riot Ruckus
Doomheim
56
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:22:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:"unintended behavior" "hindering testing of a market"
Did aur sales suddenly go to zero for the last 3 days?
lol |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.10.22 21:24:00 -
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I think what totally pisses me off about this whole issue is all the EVE players wanted nerfs to all AUR bought items in this game so that you could flood your own alts with readily available and easily attainable ISK from EVE.
and dont try to act slick..........HELMAR said in an interview that your pilot would not be able to go planet side.But tell me if you can simply transfer ISK from one alt to the other so you can buy infinite tanks and VK.0s and **** the DUST console player right?Then you the "operator" benefit the most.
I see how it is.....I would buy a 20 dollar AUR pack every 2 weeks for equal footing in THIS theater "planet side" and dominate here on the ground.A defacto subscription if you would.But you guys dont want that .OH NO.Cant have that.That would be to expensive to do both,so not being happy with that scenario you plot and congeal for nerfs to the AUR items in DUST all the while plotting to flood your alt with ISK....I mean some of you dont even have the originality and blatantly use the same gamer tag.
Same operator.Same tag.Same corp.Same cash................you're going planet side.Total bullshit.
Give me the ability to board your ship and Ill melee/ bust your augmented skull through your console.
You guys really wont be happy till you exploit the game to death.CCP is trying to break new ground and get new people into the EVE universe.I mean god forbid they make a game that might rival Halo or Cod,an with that capital make this WHOLE intire universe into a HUGE gaming community.Benefiting both DUST and EVE and you idiots want to wreck/kill it in the BETA stage. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.10.22 22:00:00 -
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oh gawd,
1 its fracking beta
2 the money isn't real
3 jam your tinfoil hat up your arse eve players don't want to kill the game and I for one handed out money to any dust player that wanted it knowing it would all be wiped away. |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers
RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2012.10.22 22:24:00 -
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Was fun while it lasted. |
Ultra Boomer2
GRIM MARCH
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:24:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: (really long speech)
conspiracy theory? anyways, just because some of us play eve, and I personaly use my name with a 2 just so i can be identified between games, does not mean that we plan to transfer our fortunes to DUST. I, myself, think the aurum items are good with the advantages they have. why would you nerf something you pay real money for to the same stats as stuff that is (in the real world money perspective) free. I think it should not give a super big game changing advantage, but at least something. which is exactly what it does, it makes some modules easier to fit, even though they do the same as equivalent isk variants. weapons, you can use higher level weapons without the skills, but you are still at a disadvantagge to the people who trained the skills because of the bonus it provides. so, while flooding ISK into the market does give a small advantage from the number of items you can buy, skills and in some cases aurum do still matter. (aurum advantage mainly found in the form of blueprints at this point in time)
you do have a point however that some eve players probably planned to transfer their entire fortunes after buying enough plex to last them till they can afford more, but don't clump all EVE players together into that group.
PS: if anyone is confused reading that paragraph, so am I. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
208
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:48:00 -
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I also have a profitable Eve presence, but I have no intention to "dump all my isk into DUST" what would I do then ... have 10 years worth of supplies in DUST and nothing to invest in Eve.
This is the issue stated by CCP earlier that isk on Sisi is worthless, hence everything on the Eve test server can be bought for 100 isk. The isk on TQ is a different issue entirely, it can be invested in countless ways to earn profits, so why would anyone lose their profitability to have an unnecessary supply of items in DUST. The sensible way to do it would be to supply what is needed from Eve, ie manufacture your preferred items or buy them in Eve and transfer them to DUST, or just give enough isk to buy what you'll use in a week. Then you fortune in Eve is still there to be used to earn more isk.
Right now we're talking about test server isk which is just sat there since the last mirror and can't be spent if you bought 1 of everything. When we're talking about hard earnt and valuable isk it will be a completely different story. As has already been said ... the big corporations will want to see a return on their investment or it won't be worth funding DUST corps. |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.10.23 00:17:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:oh gawd,
1 its fracking beta
2 the money isn't real
3 jam your tinfoil hat up your arse eve players don't want to kill the game and I for one handed out money to any dust player that wanted it knowing it would all be wiped away.
Ok check this out ass hat.Heres some raw statistical values that maybe you can rap your pee brain around.I convinced 4 of my friends to DL and try this game.Im the only one still playing it.Thats 1 in 5.Twenty percent of the people I know that have tried this game continued to play it.The other 75% were potential CCP customers now they are not.The learning curve is high enough.The bugs are bad enough.When the 5 point maps frame rate drops thru the floor and that makes them wreck there dropship.You know the same one it took him forever to afford.Oh wait no you probably dont understand that one.Without people finding ways to make it even more difficult for new players to get into this game.
You say its BETA .....fraking beta to be exact.They the 75 % dont fking care if its BETA or not and sure as hell wouldnt even care to come to these forums to argue with you about it.......what dont you get.When they go 2 times negative after playing in a match with 6 tanks.Yeah there gonna keep playing a game like that.You got it buddy.This game isnt just about the EVE player its about EXPANDING THE F8CKING PLAYER BASE.YOU KNOW POPULATING THE GAME.
In the 1980's the White House Office of Consumer Affairs
commissioned a report called the TARP study. The report revealed the
following facts about unhappy customers:
* 96% of dissatisfied customers do not complain directly.
* 90% will not return.
* One unhappy customer will tell nine others.
* 13% will tell at least 20 other people"
What does that mean to you?You, by doing stupid ****, are effecting CCP's potential customer base.So ask yourself. Are you helping to expand the community ,or do you not even give a F8ck.Like New Eden is exclusive to you.
Put that on my pipe and smoke it. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.10.23 00:26:00 -
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Well good news, all the isk has been wiped away, however the assets bought with said isk remain and hopefully that will be fixed soon.
As for your long winded argument, don't care, people continue playing games like battlefield even though they get their arse handed to them by tanks and players who have grinded up gear, dust will not be much different except that battlefinder will actually put them in games with people they can compete against (once its working as intended)
PS couldn't get two kittens about what the white house has to say about anything ever. |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.10.23 01:02:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Well good news, all the isk has been wiped away, however the assets bought with said isk remain and hopefully that will be fixed soon.
As for your long winded argument, don't care, people continue playing games like battlefield even though they get their arse handed to them by tanks and players who have grinded up gear, dust will not be much different except that battlefinder will actually put them in games with people they can compete against (once its working as intended)
PS couldn't get two kittens about what the white house has to say about anything ever.
Your argument as far as battlefield is concerned is moot.They didnt have to play in 20 matches to afford that tank and make MVP 12 of those 20 matches .......stay on topic.Were talking about in game currency not skills.You sound more ridiculously stupid by the moment. |
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RayRay James
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.10.23 02:25:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:PS couldn't get two kittens about what the white house has to say about anything ever.
You American? That would be part of the problem we're in now...... |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.10.23 03:57:00 -
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I think some people need to stand back and look at what we have all witnessed...
Funds FROM a game played ONLY on PC, was TRANSFERED to a game ONLY played on PS3!
If I'm not mistaken this could be unprecedented in gaming, if so good job to CCP on making this game one of a kind. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.23 04:07:00 -
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:I think some people need to stand back and look at what we have all witnessed...
Funds FROM a game played ONLY on PC, was TRANSFERED to a game ONLY played on PS3!
If I'm not mistaken this could be unprecedented in gaming, if so good job to CCP on making this game one of a kind.
well that feture is supposed to happend but not at the moment. The devs want a ecconomy between dust and eve. Like on Eve people can produce weapons, equipment and so on. Or hire a corp to gain controll over a certain planet so they can make profit out of it. And funding a corp is included in that by transfering ISK from eve to dust. The only downside is that we got the ISK from the Sisi test server and not from the normal Eve server which has no impact on the ecconomy. |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.10.23 05:03:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:I think some people need to stand back and look at what we have all witnessed...
Funds FROM a game played ONLY on PC, was TRANSFERED to a game ONLY played on PS3!
If I'm not mistaken this could be unprecedented in gaming, if so good job to CCP on making this game one of a kind. well that feture is supposed to happend but not at the moment. The devs want a ecconomy between dust and eve. Like on Eve people can produce weapons, equipment and so on. Or hire a corp to gain controll over a certain planet so they can make profit out of it. And funding a corp is included in that by transfering ISK from eve to dust. The only downside is that we got the ISK from the Sisi test server and not from the normal Eve server which has no impact on the ecconomy.
Yes I know all of this is supposed to happen, that wasn't my point it's the fact that it is has happened and is probably the first game to do so, that was all I was trying to convey.
CCP making history... |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.23 06:50:00 -
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DUST's wallet and market don't even use decimal places on the prices. Might not seem like a big deal, but that means not only are prices going to change on release but the actual code is going to be reworked. The current system's prices are probably only a tenth of what they will be on release (rewards would be increased as well). All of this is speculation, but it makes sense as it would simplify things in the beta to use small numbers and would also reduce resource requirements. This is all speculation of course, but could explain why people having billions or more in their wallets could cause stability issues within the game and the reason CCP was not ready for it to happen. |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
417
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Posted - 2012.10.23 07:11:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:DUST's wallet and market don't even use decimal places on the prices. Might not seem like a big deal, but that means not only are prices going to change on release but the actual code is going to be reworked.
Like...what?
I'm not one to make comments like this, but this is just silly. The difference between a field having decimal places or not in a game like Dust is minute.
My brain is full of ****. |
STYLIE77
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
60
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Posted - 2012.10.23 08:24:00 -
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:I think some people need to stand back and look at what we have all witnessed...
Funds FROM a game played ONLY on PC, was TRANSFERED to a game ONLY played on PS3!
If I'm not mistaken this could be unprecedented in gaming, if so good job to CCP on making this game one of a kind.
I transferred funds from the PC to players on XBOX and Playstation 2 on Final Fantasy 13.... 10 years ago, and you can still do it today.
No precedent... and as far as the PS3 goes... It's about damned time.  |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.23 09:16:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:
Like...what?
I'm not one to make comments like this, but this is just silly. The difference between a field having decimal places or not in a game like Dust is minute.
My brain is full of ****.
I was merely pointing out that in EVE ISK is divided in to hundredths just like normal currency. The fact that DUST does not even display decimal places indicated to me that the current code (all that gibberish that makes computer programs work) was not the final version. If the markets are going to be linked they would both need to be the same. Therefor, the current code that is implemented for DUST wallets and whatnot is only a place holder program and might not be able to handle large amounts of currency. That could be why after the ISK transactions the game got a bit glitchy and unstable and why CCP removed the ISK. Not because it wouldn't be fair any more, but because the game could not handle those large amounts of currency. |
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