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Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:36:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:
We will obviously see ISK flow between the games at some point but there are 2 important reasons why we want to lock it down for now:
- ISK on SiSi is meaningless for EVE players because it is their test server not the live server
- We need to make sure everything is economically stable first and then ease the flow in or risk unbalancing one of the games. At this stage, the dust economy is still finding its feet so we are not ready for that yet.
I'm sorry, I am going to have to call you on this:
-ISK on Dust is also meaningless for Dust players because it is our test server and not the live server.
-There is NO Dust economy. We cannot sell. We cannot trade. Therefore, there is no economy. |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.21 04:13:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:If only CCP had been half as fast at declaring the War Point boosting as unintended behaviour, it was no less disruptive s this is.
As others have mentioned though. it is not that we can move ISK from EVE to Dust that is the problem, that is going to be essential. It is that we have a player economy on DUST set up as if it was on TQ, while being connected to Sisi, where ISK is essentially free and very easy to make (if you don't already have some, self destruct a couple of capital ships, and you have billions)
Our economy here in Dust is NOTHING like what it will be as if it were on TQ. On TQ I can place buy orders and get it for cheaper. Or sell for higher if demand calls for it. Or sell it period.
The backlash from this happened solely because a couple people thought it best to claim it would unfairly disrupt the upcoming tourny. CCP has come to this very thread and put out their view. I blew that view right out of the water. Nothing the Dev said in their last post made any sense, and we are all dumber for reading it. Saying that SiSi ISK is different because the Eve players are on a test server and not a live one? Really? What do they think we are doing? This game is FAR from live.
Or, they can do something that makes it all balance out, turn off insurance on SiSi. There is no need for it. Then people won't feel the need to self destruct every 2 minutes for easy ISK. |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.21 04:36:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Mister Hunt wrote:Saying that SiSi ISK is different because the Eve players are on a test server and not a live one? Really? What do they think we are doing? This game is FAR from live.
Yes, this game is live. When I shoot you, you die. When I buy a suit with the rewards from a match the ISK is gone to me forever. That is live. What they meant is that from time to time a mirror is made of your EVE character's skills, wallet, assets etc. When you log on to SISI it is this mirror that is used. If I have a billion ISK on my EVE toon at the time of the mirror I'll have a billion ISK when I log on to SISI. I then transfer that billion ISK to DUST mercs. When I log back in to EVE that billion ISK is still there. Whatever you do on the SISI server, make money from insurance, transfer all your money to DUST corp, lose a super carrier worth 20 billion, none of it is real and does not transfer back to EVE. Your EVE toon won't be any richer, won't be broke and you'll still have that super carrier. That is what they meant by not live. EVE is persistant, there is no save and load feature. Everything happens in real time with the exception of SISI. That's why they didn't want us to do that.
Live means the game is released. This game is still subject to wipes. It is a Beta, aka, in testing. SiSi is a test server. We are playing on a test server. Things on SiSi for Eve are changed a bit to enhance testing, same as with this game. I know that Eve is persistant, this game is not, since it is subject to the aforementioned wipes. Nothing you do matters to the Eve universe, just like you said. Therefore, this game is not live |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.21 05:42:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Having a counter is relative. I've gone up against the dropships flown by some of the players that I'm sure were in all this and I'm a bit concerned. Up until now the cost of these things was the best defense against them. Also not sure how much ISK was actually transferred or if most folks truly understand how much ISK might have been transferred. It could be a substantial amount. Numbers like 20 mil were said earlier. No way of knowing if that's BS or not. 20 mil in EVE is pocket change. I'm not sure "spam" really does it justice. I dunno, might not have been that much ISK and might turn out to be nothing. But if the amounts of ISK were numbers like I'm thinking it could be an issue. The ISK was free to them, no risk. So it could be a substantial advantage.
Trillions were transfered. That is with a "T" |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.21 06:38:00 -
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That is true Zion. I firmly believe that the issue with the voice communications tonight when they brought the servers down is directly related to the "fix" that they probably instituted (I dunno, I'm at work) for the ISK problem. Just they didn't realize that the voice comms were somehow tied to it. Something that many companies run in to, so not a knock on them in any way. Just maybe giving them a hint at what to look at hehe. And yes, I am quite aware they probably have looked at whatever they did pretty much immediately to figure out what in the heck happened. |
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