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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:33:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:The dark cloud wrote:dude calm down. This feature will be in the game later on. It was just a surpise for us that it actually worked. Words where spread on all big corps and we just tried it out. And it works perfect at the moment. I'm calm. I was warning you that might happen. Dunno if it will, they've done it before. Not to mention the fact that the ISK you were given isn't "real". I mean I know it's a game and no ISK is real, but even within the game money on SISI isn't real and is only used for SISI. SISI is a place where you can get a gun that shoots cows and does like 10k damage or some such nonsense. Can't remember the details. And people thought the cash was gonna be legit?
Look ok we all know its The dark Clouds fault no ones saying otherwise. I just hope he has a logn hard think about what he's done. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
15
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:34:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:FatalFlaw V1 wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate. If we are to believe the codex patch notes, no, I don't believe it is.. Codex patch notesCCP Cmdr Wang wrote:
Player Corporations
* DUST Players are able to create their own corporations and accept applications from other players
* Players are able to apply to join an existing player corporation, from EVE Online
* DUST players can join an existing EVE Online corporation and vice versa
* The CEO can appoint the Director role to members
* A corp member can view a list of all his corp mates
* Corporations have a corporation wallet managed by its directors
* A corp member can donate money to his corporation
* A Corporation director can give money to members from the corporation wallet
* New skills added for Corporation management
It's laid out pretty clearly there. The catch here is that the corporation and player wallet divisions in EVE and DUST are separate and transferring between is supposed to be denied. However we fully realize that players did not know it was unintended, it was not obvious so we will take the blame on that.
I moved ISK over from SISI to DUST today before I saw this post. Is the ISK going to given back, stuck in limbo or can we use it. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:36:00 -
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Funny how the only thing that worked perfectly without bugs is the ISK transfer. Accidentally switching the ISK transfer ON is not a bug. |
Cortez The Killer
Immobile Infantry
187
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:36:00 -
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Forge gunners/AV peoples are going to have a GREAT week. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:39:00 -
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and thats why im going to save them all up. Not wasting assets that can come in handy later on. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:42:00 -
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The fix for this is easy: Wipe everyones wallets and assets (excluding AUR gear) then credit everyone 5-10mil isk to replace the assets, well it seems easy but I don't know coding ect. |
Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
10
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Posted - 2012.10.21 01:38:00 -
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My behavior was very much intended. I shared what i transferred with a lot of other testers. If any one gets the hammer for the isk i've transferred to my friends, please let it be me. However, life is full of unintended behavior and you can not herd cats.
I realize we are testing the economy, but the codex economy will look nothing like the live economy. There is no economy in codex because there is no trade in codex. The sisi isk transfers are a direct result not from exploitation, but the regulation of isk via match rewards. The isk noose has been tightened on the testers this build with the consequence being "unintended behavior". What is ironic in all this, is that considering how much isk has entered the dust "economy" from this consequence, you, CCP, now have a better idea of what the real Dust economy is going to look like. I do not have the means of seeing the data you guys can, but i can guarantee if you plot the distribution of wealth in dust right now, you will see a Gaussian distribution.
"- We need to make sure everything is economically stable first and then ease the flow in or risk unbalancing one of the games. At this stage, the dust economy is still finding its feet so we are not ready for that yet."
if you need help with that, consider this post the cover letter to my resume. consider my resume, the distribution you produce which shows the wealth of dust players after the sisi isk transfers. I will bet that the distribution will look alot more like the wealth of tranquility players, than the wealth of dust players proir to the isk transfers.
you are missing the chance to study what the real dust economy will look like at launch. |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
323
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Posted - 2012.10.21 01:44:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate.
Yeah,good luck with that. |
crazy space
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.10.21 01:48:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate.
But it's awesome.
Now increase the isk payout and increase prices so that the two games can have similar feel in isk prices.
Maybe only let players receive so much isk a month? Like conchord wants to make sure this doesn't get out of control?
But in the end CCP, like 5 years down the line. we are going to merge the universes right? That's the end goal? player driven economy and such? |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.21 01:54:00 -
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@Dias Bailey
Without a market there can be no inflation as a consequence of the sudden influx of cash. Prices are set, there is no exchange of goods between players. All ISK currently in DUST is created from thin air at the end of each match. There is no supply and demand. There is no scarcity. There is no economy. Your wallet balance in DUST is nothing more than your score on Pac-man.
What has happened here provides no valuable data for study and simply allows certain players to purchase more stuff than others.
Not getting in to ethics or morality with you, just pointing out there is nothing to be learned from this at all except for CCP not catching this ahead of time. Each player is completely isolated financially from every other player.
PS: Props for working Gaussian in to a post of a video game forum. It's interesting the types on players EVE attracts. |
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Waruiko DUST
G I A N T
90
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Posted - 2012.10.21 01:59:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:
We will obviously see ISK flow between the games at some point but there are 2 important reasons why we want to lock it down for now:
- ISK on SiSi is meaningless for EVE players because it is their test server not the live server
- We need to make sure everything is economically stable first and then ease the flow in or risk unbalancing one of the games. At this stage, the dust economy is still finding its feet so we are not ready for that yet.
Hmm It seems to me that DUST has no economy. We can't build anything and we can't sell anything, even to each other. Got some EVE isk before seeing this thread but while I won't try to get more I'd point out that trying to get the economy figured out without the ability for us to trade items on the market.
To prevent this from happening again I'd stop seeding things on SISI next time you link the games. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:12:00 -
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Waruiko DUST wrote:
To prevent this from happening again I'd stop seeding things on SISI next time you link the games.
EVE players still use SISI, so they can't really stop the mirror. I guess they could have, maybe just didn't think they needed to. I am surprised they didn't catch this, but hindsight is always 20/20. |
m621 zma
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
22
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:30:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Waruiko DUST wrote:
To prevent this from happening again I'd stop seeding things on SISI next time you link the games.
EVE players still use SISI, so they can't really stop the mirror. I guess they could have, maybe just didn't think they needed to. I am surprised they didn't catch this, but hindsight is always 20/20.
EVE players only had access back on Friday? |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:39:00 -
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They shouldn't wipe it. They could use this data to create some sort of tax system when it comes to transferring ISk to Dust players. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:41:00 -
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They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. |
Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:42:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:They shouldn't wipe it. They could use this data to create some sort of tax system when it comes to transferring ISk to Dust players.
lol you just don't want to go back to being poor  |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:48:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me.
Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win. |
Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:51:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win.
Do you see a better alternative  |
Jariel Manton
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
210
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:55:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:I'm missing out on all the fun. I need richer friends  \\\\\\Ehen the game goes live yo might wanan think about moving...just saying.....no really come join
Pretty sure STB has plenty of OG EVE players including me. Taste just didnt know who to ask. Get off my boy. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:01:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win.
SP does not win fights. Besides the cap means the difference between playing 4 hours a week and 40 is all of 10k SP... that's not a real excuse. |
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Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:02:00 -
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LOL at those who are taunting ccp with " well I already spent my 20-50 mil and am good til wipe , so nah nah nah you can't touch me".... just as easily as they can wipe a wallet, they can wipe assets, and when you taunt them they can make it a pretty sad day for you. Ask some of the bots or rmt guys that got to stick in the game after thinking they could get away with it instead of a ban lol. Huge red wallets , no assets, can't use market.. fun game |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:04:00 -
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Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win. Do you see a better alternative
2 Million ISK for every corp. Reset banks. |
Project Truth
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:06:00 -
[113] - Quote
THIS>>https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41966&find=unread |
Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:06:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win. Do you see a better alternative 2 Million ISK for every corp. Reset banks.
But thats puts you in the same situation, even more so since the people with more SP are usually the same people who will build up the isk advantage. |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:07:00 -
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Jariel Manton wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:I'm missing out on all the fun. I need richer friends \\\\\\Ehen the game goes live yo might wanan think about moving...just saying.....no really come join Pretty sure STB has plenty of OG EVE players including me. Taste just didnt know who to ask. Get off my boy.
Sha! Have you no shame!? |
Project Truth
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:07:00 -
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I THINK ALL OF YOU SHOULD BE KICK FROM THE TOURNEY FOR USING EXPLOITS! |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:08:00 -
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Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win. Do you see a better alternative 2 Million ISK for every corp. Reset banks. But thats puts you in the same situation, even more so since the people with more SP are usually the same people who will build up the isk advantage.
But this way, only people who spend wisely win the tournament. The final and drastic solution could be a full reset on the day before tournament, and just leave it at that. |
Project Truth
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:11:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:i blame my CEO for giving me so much ISK.
TOURNY BOOT!
[list]
ROFL House
D3LTAFORC3
Tritan Industries
SVER TrueBloods
Imperfects
SyNergy Gaming
Zion TCD
Seraphim Initiative
What the French
Universal Royal Allies
Planetary Response Organization
Kill 'em Quick
OSG Planetary Operations
Space Fish Empire
AHRENDEE CORP
LOST-LEGION
The Southern Legion
Eon
tHEY ALL DID IT AND sHOuLD HAVE REPORTED |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:12:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win. Do you see a better alternative 2 Million ISK for every corp. Reset banks. But thats puts you in the same situation, even more so since the people with more SP are usually the same people who will build up the isk advantage.
Oh!! i got it!! How about 3mil to each corp and reset banks! =) |
Jimbo Boilstaff
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:13:00 -
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so,,,, what about the whole...
"Cheating of any sort, including exploitation, sabotage, etc., will result in all members of the cheating team being banned from both DUST 514 and EVE Online-«."
rule???
I'm not suggesting anyone should be in trouble for this,,, but those of you who did it (and abused it) are incredibly brave doing it so close to the tournament! (especially risking the entire team!) |
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