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Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:14:00 -
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Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Cloudy Zan wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:They should just give 1B isk to every corp in the tourney and call it a day. Then wipe after. Simple enough to me. Not that simple. Only corps with most SP would then win. Do you see a better alternative 2 Million ISK for every corp. Reset banks. But thats puts you in the same situation, even more so since the people with more SP are usually the same people who will build up the isk advantage.
What none of you seem to understand is that everyone still has their own personal wallet, I could fund myself proto gear (if I had the SP to use it) without a billion from a corp's blood money. I could also easily donate my personal wallet to the corp after the wipe, which could then be distributed to people who can use it. Unless you wiped EVERYONE'S wallet, not just the corp's, then spamming could still be an issue. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:14:00 -
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Every corp gets a billion isk at beginning of tournament. We play for bragging and recruiting rights.
Everyone that logs in and plays during tournament days gets all the goodies.
Let's face it we all want that lav. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:15:00 -
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Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:so,,,, what about the whole...
"Cheating of any sort, including exploitation, sabotage, etc., will result in all members of the cheating team being banned from both DUST 514 and EVE Online-«."
rule???
I'm not suggesting anyone should be in trouble for this,,, but those of you who did it (and abused it) are incredibly brave doing it so close to the tournament! (especially risking the entire team!) Our whole corp did it! We had no idea it was even against the rules, but after the dev's posted that it wasn't we stopped, i still got like a billion isk in my wallet.. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:16:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Every corp gets a billion isk at beginning of tournament. We play for bragging and recruiting rights. Everyone that logs in and plays during tournament days gets all the goodies. Let's face it we all want that lav.
MY LAV!!!! |
Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:16:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Every corp gets a billion isk at beginning of tournament. We play for bragging and recruiting rights. Everyone that logs in and plays during tournament days gets all the goodies. Let's face it we all want that lav. I want my officer pirate snipers and if I have to steal them from someone else I will get them when this is all over. |
Jimbo Boilstaff
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:17:00 -
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D3aTH D3alER54 wrote:Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:so,,,, what about the whole...
"Cheating of any sort, including exploitation, sabotage, etc., will result in all members of the cheating team being banned from both DUST 514 and EVE Online-«."
rule???
I'm not suggesting anyone should be in trouble for this,,, but those of you who did it (and abused it) are incredibly brave doing it so close to the tournament! (especially risking the entire team!) Our whole corp did it! We had no idea it was even against the rules, but after the dev's posted that it wasn't we stopped, i still got like a billion isk in my wallet..
like i said,,, brave finding a potential 'exploit' to fund yourselves a massive stock of whatever in time for the tournament..... at least your all in it together! |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:17:00 -
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Mmmmm the LAV body count I could have with that. |
14U NDFACE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:18:00 -
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D3aTH D3alER54 wrote:Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:so,,,, what about the whole...
"Cheating of any sort, including exploitation, sabotage, etc., will result in all members of the cheating team being banned from both DUST 514 and EVE Online-«."
rule???
I'm not suggesting anyone should be in trouble for this,,, but those of you who did it (and abused it) are incredibly brave doing it so close to the tournament! (especially risking the entire team!) Our whole corp did it! We had no idea it was even against the rules, but after the dev's posted that it wasn't we stopped, i still got like a billion isk in my wallet..
WHY not report it before doing it? If they never said a thing then your corp would have went ahead in the Tourney and just said "Oops" if caught after. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:18:00 -
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Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:D3aTH D3alER54 wrote:Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:so,,,, what about the whole...
"Cheating of any sort, including exploitation, sabotage, etc., will result in all members of the cheating team being banned from both DUST 514 and EVE Online-«."
rule???
I'm not suggesting anyone should be in trouble for this,,, but those of you who did it (and abused it) are incredibly brave doing it so close to the tournament! (especially risking the entire team!) Our whole corp did it! We had no idea it was even against the rules, but after the dev's posted that it wasn't we stopped, i still got like a billion isk in my wallet.. like i said,,, brave finding a potential 'exploit' to fund yourselves a massive stock of whatever in time for the tournament..... at least your all in it together!
It's not our fault we had no say over it!! A couple of EvE guys just kept giving us ISK!! We couldn't do anything lol... |
14U NDFACE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:23:00 -
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You all saw it as an opportunity to gain an advantage in the tourney and you all would have kept it secret until caught. It wasnGÇÖt tell some GÇ£Lameo spilled the beans to help others do it and now your like GÇ£I didnGÇÖt mean to.GÇ¥ YES YOU DID! You should be held out of the tournament for it |
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Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
10
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:23:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:@Dias Bailey
Without a market there can be no inflation as a consequence of the sudden influx of cash. Prices are set, there is no exchange of goods between players. All ISK currently in DUST is created from thin air at the end of each match. There is no supply and demand. There is no scarcity. There is no economy. Your wallet balance in DUST is nothing more than your score on Pac-man. What has happened here provides no valuable data for study and simply allows certain players to purchase more stuff than others.
Not getting in to ethics or morality with you, just pointing out there is nothing to be learned from this at all except for CCP not catching this ahead of time. Each player is completely isolated financially from every other player.
PS: Props for working Gaussian in to a post of a video game forum. It's interesting the types on players EVE attracts.
we agree more than you think. the exception may be that i believe there is always information to be gained and analyzed.
irl i have a degree in applied mathematics. my focus was studying how to quantify evolutionary processes by a thermodynamic representation. eve, and now dust's group dynamics were a huge influence in determining just how evolution works at a fundamental level. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:25:00 -
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It's not my ISK.. I uhh, I'm just holding on to it. For a friend.
So do all of these corporations get an automatic disqualification from the tourney for using an exploit? Or will they all just get banned post tourney for using weapons bought with laundered ISK?
Was this some kind of test? I am pretty sure my corp. Osmon Surveillance, is in the clear... Now if only our fearless leader would enter us. We have tons of members. |
Ultra Boomer2
GRIM MARCH SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:26:00 -
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Just curious about something. Being beta testers, is this not the kind of thing that we have the privlidge to find so CCP can fix? we entered into this beta knowing that things such as this would happen. my personal opinion is that things should be left how they are for the tourney, but supply every participating corp with around 10 million or so and leave SP and assets alone to even the playing field. Face it, for any corps who did this, and extra 10 mil will probably mean nothing. this would be a great chance to test how an influx of EVE money would affect future events like this one. Then do a character wipe right after the champion match. would that not work while also making sure that corps in the tourney are at their best, instead of. just getting back on their feet on the big day? |
Jimbo Boilstaff
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:26:00 -
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dude im with ya...... think itll make the tournament more fun for everyone being able to pull whatever tricks you want.....
and im sure there's different levels of 'involvement' with this (im looking at the boosters in particular lol),,,,
but, its an obvious fault right??? suddenly being able to give yourself a billion isk.... or are you telling me it seems fair and 'balanced' to be able to do this..... theres no arguement to say its a fair mechanism for the game so close to a tournament
funny how everyone was asking a few days ago exactly what this clause in the rules meant,,,,, then conveniently forget about it as soon as something shows up they can use to get an edge...
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TUL Lord Zero
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
0
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:26:00 -
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Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:so,,,, what about the whole...
"Cheating of any sort, including exploitation, sabotage, etc., will result in all members of the cheating team being banned from both DUST 514 and EVE Online-«."
rule???
I'm not suggesting anyone should be in trouble for this,,, but those of you who did it (and abused it) are incredibly brave doing it so close to the tournament! (especially risking the entire team!)
you are all acting like it was an illegal thing to do |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:27:00 -
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Cloudy Zan wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:They shouldn't wipe it. They could use this data to create some sort of tax system when it comes to transferring ISk to Dust players. lol you just don't want to go back to being poor I wasn't poor before.
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Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:27:00 -
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Aighun wrote:It's not my ISK.. I uhh, I'm just holding on to it. For a friend.
So do all of these corporations get an automatic disqualification from the tourney for using an exploit? Or will they all just get banned post tourney for using weapons bought with laundered ISK?
Was this some kind of test? I am pretty sure my corp. Osmon Surveillance, is in the clear... Now if only our fearless leader would enter us. We have tons of members. CCP already said my bad, so I doubt anyone will get band or punished |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:28:00 -
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Dias Bailey wrote:my focus was in studying how quantify evolutionary processes, via thermodynamic representation. eve, and now dust's group dynamics was a huge influence in determining just how evolution works at a fundamental level.
I like to consider myself pretty smart...and I have to say there is no way that sentence has any meaning whatsoever. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
1620
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:30:00 -
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14U NDFACE wrote:You all saw it as an opportunity to gain an advantage in the tourney and you all would have kept it secret until caught. It wasnGÇÖt tell some GÇ£Lameo spilled the beans to help others do it and now your like GÇ£I didnGÇÖt mean to.GÇ¥ YES YOU DID! You should be held out of the tournament for it
Hey TCD did it and reported it. I was then told by [email protected] that it was ok and only then did we use it. I don't think we should be punished for this. Now I cant speak for anyone else on this Including individual members.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41966&find=unread |
Jimbo Boilstaff
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:30:00 -
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TUL Lord Zero wrote:Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:so,,,, what about the whole...
"Cheating of any sort, including exploitation, sabotage, etc., will result in all members of the cheating team being banned from both DUST 514 and EVE Online-«."
rule???
I'm not suggesting anyone should be in trouble for this,,, but those of you who did it (and abused it) are incredibly brave doing it so close to the tournament! (especially risking the entire team!) you are all acting like it was an illegal thing to do
blatant exploit of a flawed mechanism....
not saying a banworthy offence,,, just saying is brave to risk it having been,,,,,, more questioning most peoples sanity if this tournaments so important |
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Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:33:00 -
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Jimbo Boilstaff wrote: blatant exploit of a flawed mechanism....
not saying a banworthy offence,,, just saying is brave to risk it having been,,,,,, more questioning most peoples sanity if this tournaments so important
LOL no one knew it was a flawed mechanic |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:33:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Dias Bailey wrote:my focus was in studying how quantify evolutionary processes, via thermodynamic representation. eve, and now dust's group dynamics was a huge influence in determining just how evolution works at a fundamental level. I like to consider myself pretty smart...and I have to say there is no way that sentence has any meaning whatsoever.
Lol |
Jimbo Boilstaff
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:35:00 -
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Cloudy Zan wrote:Jimbo Boilstaff wrote: blatant exploit of a flawed mechanism....
not saying a banworthy offence,,, just saying is brave to risk it having been,,,,,, more questioning most peoples sanity if this tournaments so important
LOL no one knew it was a flawed mechanic
but my point is,,, it obviously is a flawed mechanic if you look at current pricing within dust....
you're kidding me if part of you didnt think youd hit gold.... being able to buy more than you ever could have dreamt of before....
this is a flawed mechanism |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:36:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:
We will obviously see ISK flow between the games at some point but there are 2 important reasons why we want to lock it down for now: - ISK on SiSi is meaningless for EVE players because it is their test server not the live server - We need to make sure everything is economically stable first and then ease the flow in or risk unbalancing one of the games. At this stage, the dust economy is still finding its feet so we are not ready for that yet.
I'm sorry, I am going to have to call you on this: -ISK on Dust is also meaningless for Dust players because it is our test server and not the live server. -There is NO Dust economy. We cannot sell. We cannot trade. Therefore, there is no economy. |
Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
10
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:37:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Dias Bailey wrote:my focus was in studying how quantify evolutionary processes, via thermodynamic representation. eve, and now dust's group dynamics was a huge influence in determining just how evolution works at a fundamental level. I like to consider myself pretty smart...and I have to say there is no way that sentence has any meaning whatsoever.
i are study math, not so much grammar where |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:39:00 -
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Dias Bailey wrote: we agree more than you think. the exception may be that i believe there is always information to be gained and analyzed.
irl i have a degree in applied mathematics. my focus was in studying how quantify evolutionary processes, via thermodynamic representation. eve, and now dust's group dynamics was a huge influence in determining just how evolution works at a fundamental level.
Yea, I see what you are saying. And true, there is always data from any situation. I just meant that markets are dynamic and this is completely static so won't really be useful in the economics of the game. And the distribution of wealth is the same way. But still, there's stuff to be learned for sure.
Interesting field of study. I'm assuming applications of entropy and enthalpy? Can't really see the work/heat thing relating to an evolutionary system. But if you've worked zero-point energy in there somehow that would be impressive. If you are using entropy/enthalpy do they represent a level of homogeny? Or am I completely off base? Sounds really interesting, shame I don't think there's any kind of PM function here. Don't want to clog the forums up any more than they are. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:43:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote: - We need to make sure everything is economically stable first and then ease the flow in or risk unbalancing one of the games. At this stage, the dust economy is still finding its feet so we are not ready for that yet.
Another reason I initially thought this was indeed intended, we have played without "EVE ISK" for upwards of a month on this build. Time to see what happens with EVE ISK.
At least something was learned from it I think. 1. Dust toons with large amount of ISK (billions of it) on them seem less stable. At least I noticed this on this toon. Even after just about all of it were moved to the dust corp wallet. 2. There is no current way to move the Dust isk back to EVE. Probably in part because we now know the ISK flow weren't supposed to happen. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:44:00 -
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Mister Hunt wrote: -There is NO Dust economy. We cannot sell. We cannot trade. Therefore, there is no economy.
Pretty much this. Technically there's no economy because there is no scarcity. That's kind of a crucial point though, in understanding how this economy is going to be. Not really scarcity in EVE either, but that's something else entirely. But you're right, no scarcity means no trading which means no economy. |
Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:48:00 -
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Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:Cloudy Zan wrote:Jimbo Boilstaff wrote: blatant exploit of a flawed mechanism....
not saying a banworthy offence,,, just saying is brave to risk it having been,,,,,, more questioning most peoples sanity if this tournaments so important
LOL no one knew it was a flawed mechanic but my point is,,, it obviously is a flawed mechanic if you look at current pricing within dust.... you're kidding me if part of you didnt think youd hit gold.... being able to buy more than you ever could have dreamt of before.... this is a flawed mechanism That's why I , as well as many others I know, didn't use the isk but CCP was unclear about the transfer and gave some people the idea that it was ok. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:48:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:LOL at those who are taunting ccp with " well I already spent my 20-50 mil and am good til wipe , so nah nah nah you can't touch me".... just as easily as they can wipe a wallet, they can wipe assets, and when you taunt them they can make it a pretty sad day for you. Ask some of the bots or rmt guys that got to stick in the game after thinking they could get away with it instead of a ban lol. Huge red wallets , no assets, can't use market.. fun game
CCP already said they weren't looking at a smack down. But I do expect a reset of corp and players wallets who received these funds, but not going into the red. If all fails, I assume they do have a DB backup dating to before DT Thursday where the Sisi connection were first enabled. |
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