Yea, I see what you are saying. And true, there is always data from any situation. I just meant that markets are dynamic and this is completely static so won't really be useful in the economics of the game. And the distribution of wealth is the same way. But still, there's stuff to be learned for sure.

Interesting field of study. I'm assuming applications of entropy and enthalpy? Can't really see the work/heat thing relating to an evolutionary system. But if you've worked zero-point energy in there somehow that would be impressive. If you are using entropy/enthalpy do they represent a level of homogeny? Or am I completely off base? Sounds really interesting, shame I don't think there's any kind of PM function here. Don't want to clog the forums up any more than they are.

What are they going to do about the spent ISK? Will they reset whatever you bought with the EvE isk?

There is no telling really I know that what I bought would be easy to find because all I bought was a bunch of drop ships so I could learn how to fly the things. lol

Lol, yeah i bought like 200-300 DS just trying out different fits that would otherwise cost me a heap lol

If only CCP had been half as fast at declaring the War Point boosting as unintended behaviour, it was no less disruptive s this is.

As others have mentioned though. it is not that we can move ISK from EVE to Dust that is the problem, that is going to be essential. It is that we have a player economy on DUST set up as if it was on TQ, while being connected to Sisi, where ISK is essentially free and very easy to make (if you don't already have some, self destruct a couple of capital ships, and you have billions)

if we were allowed to keep the isk, you would be able to see the distribution of wealth form over the course of this build. this is insight into a group dynamic. if CCP are concerned about their more casual players, understanding how isk is distributed from the wealthy to the poor is incredibly insightful. currently, there is not much more information to gain on the economics of this build. the unintended behavior is an opportunity to study unintended behavior.

Sort of but not really. There's not going to be any real redistribution because when you buy something the money simply vanishes. It's not going to move from the corps that transferred the ISK to anyone else, it just vanishes. That's really the main reason that this could throw off the balance of the game for a bit. It's never going to work itself out. Prices are set, quantities are infinite and nothing trickles down. The only distribution is from CEO to corp member. Everyone else is completely isolated. This could possibly turn out to be a big deal, might turn out to be nothing Be interesting to see what CCP does with this one.

BTW, sending whoever it was a mail telling them they CAN transfer ISK from EVE corp to DUST corp wasn't a good way to start.

Saying that SiSi ISK is different because the Eve players are on a test server and not a live one? Really? What do they think we are doing? This game is FAR from live.

Ultimately we're lucky this has come out during the beta....

for those of you that were grasping onto some vein of hope there won't be another wipe before 'launch' well your dreams have shattered now lol

Yes, this game is live. When I shoot you, you die. When I buy a suit with the rewards from a match the ISK is gone to me forever. That is live. What they meant is that from time to time a mirror is made of your EVE character's skills, wallet, assets etc. When you log on to SISI it is this mirror that is used. If I have a billion ISK on my EVE toon at the time of the mirror I'll have a billion ISK when I log on to SISI. I then transfer that billion ISK to DUST mercs. When I log back in to EVE that billion ISK is still there. Whatever you do on the SISI server, make money from insurance, transfer all your money to DUST corp, lose a super carrier worth 20 billion, none of it is real and does not transfer back to EVE. Your EVE toon won't be any richer, won't be broke and you'll still have that super carrier. That is what they meant by not live. EVE is persistant, there is no save and load feature. Everything happens in real time with the exception of SISI. That's why they didn't want us to do that.

This will be remember as the night that isk crashed the servers and killed communications!


The next few weeks are going to be epic drop ship and tank spamming. And more isk to be earned in game .

Dust off your forge guns boys we are going hunting.

So isk is pretty much pointless now sad cause i actually liked the facted isk had value an i had to watch wat i spent or used so i wouldnt go broke. It kinda makes me not want to play anymore cause the competitive fun is gone cause any scrub can be handed millions of isk now. An sp doesnt matter either cause of the cap. Dust just got really boring no point to grind anymore

It is a beta. mistakes and errors happen. Unintended developments are a must. This is something that need testing before getting onto TQ anyway.

There will be a grind when the game goes live, while some players will be well funded, or fund themselves through EVE, ISK is not going to be free at all. The only problems here are that not everybody did this, and that Sisi ISK is essentially free.

So isk is pretty much pointless now sad cause i actually liked the facted isk had value an i had to watch wat i spent or used so i wouldnt go broke. It kinda makes me not want to play anymore cause the competitive fun is gone cause any scrub can be handed millions of isk now. An sp doesnt matter either cause of the cap. Dust just got really boring no point to grind anymore

Having a counter is relative. I've gone up against the dropships flown by some of the players that I'm sure were in all this and I'm a bit concerned. Up until now the cost of these things was the best defense against them. Also not sure how much ISK was actually transferred or if most folks truly understand how much ISK might have been transferred. It could be a substantial amount. Numbers like 20 mil were said earlier. No way of knowing if that's BS or not. 20 mil in EVE is pocket change. I'm not sure "spam" really does it justice. I dunno, might not have been that much ISK and might turn out to be nothing. But if the amounts of ISK were numbers like I'm thinking it could be an issue. The ISK was free to them, no risk. So it could be a substantial advantage.

Trillions were transfered. That is with a "T"

And had been holding out on joining a corp until I could actually recruit myself into my own EVE corp and make myself a director.

That is true Zion. I firmly believe that the issue with the voice communications tonight when they brought the servers down is directly related to the "fix" that they probably instituted (I dunno, I'm at work) for the ISK problem. Just they didn't realize that the voice comms were somehow tied to it. Something that many companies run in to, so not a knock on them in any way. Just maybe giving them a hint at what to look at hehe. And yes, I am quite aware they probably have looked at whatever they did pretty much immediately to figure out what in the heck happened.