There is absolutely nothing complex about any of that. That is no more complex than choosing the correct AR in BF3 using the right gadget to suit your play-style.

I'm still waiting for a detailed answer.

How is Dust any more complex than any other FPS?

How will better core game mechanics dumb the game down in any shape or form?

I'm sorry but you are wrong to try to suggest making DUST into just another COD. Games that do that are the very reason why I don't play any other cookie cutter game that tries to be cod. DUST is not meant to be a cookie cutter game. It is meant to break the traditional mold of first person shooters and create a new competitive game that will usher in a new era of gaming.

Unreal Tournament is a clear example. It was a ground breaking game that later became the gold standard that other games like cod will be based on. Eve alone is achieving something similar as guild wars 2 is now basing its in game economic model on that of Eve online. DUST has the potential to usher in something new that other shooters failed to achieve.

Making DUST into a cookie cutter game is not ground breaking.

I dunno, as it stands now, I can't imagine the masses adopting to this game very well. There is just too much complexity and complications, most people simply want to relax and have fun when playing online... not to eat, sleep, and breath a game 24 hours a day 7 days a week in order to make even the slightest bit of progress.

I'm sure we all think similarly of the COD games, but we cannot deny the success of such games. A COD game is simple, relatively easy for newcomers to learn, yet deep and complex enough to give dedicated players something to work at and strive for if they feel the need. Gameplay is consistent, and controls are rock-solid and reliable.

Dust 514 just doesn't come off as the type of game that an average-Joe player is going to pick up on and keep playing. I am pretty dedicated when it comes to complex/deep games, I always love a good RPG! But Dust 514 is laying it on a bit thick. You spend 1-2 weeks trying to upgrade one single skill to get that favorite something you have been looking forward to, only to find out that when you do get the 2 million SP to finally upgrade, that now you have 20 other things that need to be specialized, purchased and upgraded in order to successfully put that skill to use.

Here is an example. I wanted to get slightly better shields, so I worked my butt off using nothing but militia gear (starter kits) to get all the proper SP and skills to obtain a shield extender that simply gives me 66 extra HP. Well, turns out that I can't just use that shield extender with a starter kit (not enough PG), so I now have to buy a dropsuit, and equip that dropsuit with purchased weapons/ability's, that I previously GOT FOR FREE. Now each time I die, I have to spend something like 60,000 ISK, all for a measly 66HP extra to my shields, which essentially amounts to nothing. (which is actually only 44 extra HP cause I already had +22HP militia shields). Seriously???

Developers need to learn from the COD platform and improve, not try to reinvent the wheel. If i want to upgrade my skills so I can have a shield that gives me 66 extra HP, I should be able to do that without having to buy a whole new dropsuit, and a plethora of weapons and additional skills in order to use thus new shield upgrade. Quite simply, I should be able to add that new shield to my starter kit layout, and only have to pay for the replacement of that shield. As it stands now, i have to buy a new dropsuit, buy all my weapons, grenades, and anything else that I previously got for free just so I can use one single shield upgrade that is nearly useless and took me 1-2 weeks to acquire.

Bottom line is, this game needs a LOT more permanent blueprints and more starter-kit dropuits that can be upgraded. Having to constantly buy every weapon and every item we use for each time we spawn is horribly inconvenient and annoying. That is not how you do upgrades in a FPS online game.

They have the game you want out already, Its called "every fps out there 3"


I would rather play chess, let ppl who dont want to think and plan as much play checkers.

Love it

But I was telling a buddy at work that also plays Dust that CCP is not goin for the average joe shmo FPS player. Then he proceeds to say "Dust will die" I laughed and said why is EVE still alive and really popular? EVE operates on and average of 30K players online everyday and up to 60K on most busiest. I've seen it lol. Every game has its "niche" players, EVE players and it seems MAG players REALLY enjoy Dust. Eve players are really most into Dust for planetary control of THEIR assets. Me (EVE player) just love this type of FPS and its so happened to be by a favorite developer.

The reason I am here is because of the deep complexity, the plethora of dropsuits, modules, weapon types, tactical warfare, networking, and most importantly having fun with my fellow hard core mercs. I personally have always dreamed of a FPS where the battles mattered long after the match. Where players behaviors and actions were held accountable if they wanted to be respected and trusted amongst there peers. Where player skill tree possibilities are so large and grand in scale that no 2 players are the same. That is why I am here and I'm sure other feel my passion.

Dust is not meant to grab the casual gamer but that doesn't mean CCP should stop trying to being in casual players and turn them into hardcore players.