Why arn't you guys on IRC? Its not that hard. I can even do it from my cell phone. You don't even need to download an app as you can use the flash based client.

Go here: http://www.dust514.org/chat

DO IT!!!

Cause I have a life and can't be on my kittening computer all day hoping to be in when devs decide to hand down their information from on high

Cause I have a life and can't be on my kittening computer all day hoping to be in when devs decide to hand down their information from on high

EVEn tho when im on the forums and playing EVE i dont want to have the IRC up watching potatoes argue over things and then watch them drool as a CCP dev turns up and then spew up some bad ideas

Instead i would rarther have CCP make an offical weekly thread instead saying what they think about the current state of things

And the rest of us don't have lives or other things besides games? Yeah...

There are work arounds such as chat logs and search functions as part of IRC clients. They are my friends. You have been educated :)

Half of the info about DUST from the devs happens in the IRC channel

Why cant they use the forums instead and do a weekly update and what they think may happen and what is being tweeked and if any of the problems the forums has brought if they agree with us or why they dont

That way we can discuss properly and also early on instead of reading a few lines from a channel then dealing with a massive shitstorm afterwards because we didnt know about it unless your in the channel

Dont give me NDA or some other BS either because the IRC channel is an outside channel where as the forums is run by you the devs

QFT

The point is we arent there to give our feedback not that we cant see what CCP said. The forums allow a dialogue to happen over time which in turn will grant a better sample size not who ever happens to be on at the time. HAV drivers on IRC sound like they are driving fiberglass go carts and that is obviously not whats going on with HAVS now.


I can gurantee CCP doesnt go line by line over IRC for the time they aren't on.

I want the info I don't want to hav to use some ***** third party chat room to get it. Don't need to listen to a bunch of kittens in IRC argue about random crap or post their tank boosted KDR,

I would rather that the info was given in the IRC AS WELL AS posted here,

I would also like the weekly feedback thread others are suggesting.

Its just complicating things, make these forums the focus and streamline it all.


Also the IRC is owned by a third party, its biased, my alliance mate got into a heated argument and then was banned from the channel because the mods didn't agree with him.

I dont need that crap, its a joke.

If its gizmo then yea me and giz had a laugh about that, he messaged me and said he got banned because he was voicing his opinion on the core mechanics and the fanboys told him go back to MAG, last time i voiced my concerns there on core mechanics i got told to go back to a game i hate.....cod....so yea alot of fanboyism and ignorance at times on the IRC. Used to be there alot now i rarely stop by, waste of my time because anyone can see its mainly EVE centric ppl that congregate there and anytime u try to have a discussion from a console FPS perspective on what works for FPS and what works for the console community WHICH TBQH alot of them have zero to limited knowledge on since they dont have the in depth console community experience with how different communities on console work

If all the info is being posted on IRC why even have forums? might as well lock the entire forum and be done with it. Got ppl in there sayin tanks are OK and AV nerf was fine when i was in there yesterday....my face was quickly introduced to my desk.

There you go

If you dont fit in or agree with the mods then you get banned, it is clearly biased and not the best place for CCP to get feedback on a game in development

At least with these forums everyone who has the beta can have a say and express ther opionion even if its shot down

Cut out the IRC tbh and give use the info on a sticky thread is all we ask so we dont get it twisted by some hack on an IRC

I want the info I don't want to hav to use some ***** third party chat room to get it. Don't need to listen to a bunch of kittens in IRC argue about random crap or post their tank boosted KDR,

I would rather that the info was given in the IRC AS WELL AS posted here,

I would also like the weekly feedback thread others are suggesting.

Its just complicating things, make these forums the focus and streamline it all.


Also the IRC is owned by a third party, its biased, my alliance mate got into a heated argument and then was banned from the channel because the mods didn't agree with him.

I dont need that crap, its a joke.

If its gizmo then yea me and giz had a laugh about that, he messaged me and said he got banned because he was voicing his opinion on the core mechanics and the fanboys told him go back to MAG, last time i voiced my concerns there on core mechanics i got told to go back to a game i hate.....cod....so yea alot of fanboyism and ignorance at times on the IRC. Used to be there alot now i rarely stop by, waste of my time because anyone can see its mainly EVE centric ppl that congregate there and anytime u try to have a discussion from a console FPS perspective on what works for FPS and what works for the console community WHICH TBQH alot of them have zero to limited knowledge on since they dont have the in depth console community experience with how different communities on console work

If all the info is being posted on IRC why even have forums? might as well lock the entire forum and be done with it. Got ppl in there sayin tanks are OK and AV nerf was fine when i was in there yesterday....my face was quickly introduced to my desk.

Well. IRC is a picky place, we did have a 'rude' questioner last night it wouldnt surprise me if he got a stern talking to by the channel moderators. The question and tone he asked is along the lines of the deleted forum threads come across usually. Alot of vitrol and undeserving welping.

Condencending questions are usually not welcomed during the QnA and espeically when there is an offical CCP forum post already covering the question too.

I can see why they're not welcomed either, ccp q and a session was taking time out of thier lunch break to pop in and say hi, sometimes they just talk and shoot the wind and post cat pictures, sometimes they ask how is the game for us today (which we all generally respond breaking as usual) If it turned into an exact mirror of the forums for QnA I can see CCP stopping entirely.

As for that a shout out to Grideris for being a good channel moderator and keeping the place 'civil'

In the end not a single IRCer is obligated to relay the information.

I specifically choose not to direct quote either for various reasons alot of people are proving.

I just felt that its rather unfair for IRC events to happen with not everyone present or awake even (this q an a was 2am my time zone) and only those there would know what happened.

Well sorry Im dont know about your backroad short cut because you refuse to share that information until then I am sticking to what the GPS tells me to go.

The GPS you programmed, deleted information from, and told where to go. Perfect metaphor.

DUST gonna flop b/c of an unofficial IRC channel that bans the opposite perspective.

Not my fault your boys came across and degraded to personal attacks instead of focusing on the issue.

Also not my fault your boys never apologized and asked to get back in. its not hard.

Seriously the way some of fpsers, act questions how much maturity there is as 3 year olds can control thier tempers much better than some of these guys. Its no wonder why some get banned.

And johnny you're only further proving why they dont want to forum post as often as we like. If you treat other forum posters like this how are you expected to treat the developers any better?

See? You would ban me now if they only gave you the authority, Nova Knife. lol case in point.

I am not nova knife. My IRC name is Ironwolf.

I dont know Girderis/Gridboss personally. I dont help him run any of the dust 514 fan sites. I certainly dont talk to him like hes my best friend. I am also the worlds worst tank driver.

Lastly Nova Knife threatened me to ban me once over an argument on the NDA on a certain site.

I have no modder rights on any IRC chanel, I wouldnt even know the commands. I certainly dont use chatzillia like nova knife does, my ip adress doenst match his either and hes clearly in another time zone from myself.

You're pretty delusional to think I am the same as that FPS hardcore player.

-sigh- will u two please quit trying to get the topic locked.......this IRC thing is important quit fighting about that i just feel like we arent equal and thats the arguement

If all the info is being posted on IRC why even have forums? might as well lock the entire forum and be done with it. Got ppl in there sayin tanks are OK and AV nerf was fine when i was in there yesterday....my face was quickly introduced to my desk.

I saw that too and i left
clearly it HAV heaven maybe you haven't noticed but most of IRC dwellers are HAV users! coincidence? i doubt it

I saw that too and i left
clearly it HAV heaven maybe you haven't noticed but most of IRC dwellers are HAV users! coincidence? i doubt it

I saw that too and i left
clearly it HAV heaven maybe you haven't noticed but most of IRC dwellers are HAV users! coincidence? i doubt it

yet in the tank culutre discussion we did express why HAVs are to prevailant and why AV feels underpowered and the developers revealed to us that in thier thinking two proto fitted heavies with forges was all you needed... we turned around and told them this wasnt the case currently and its possible to have tanks set up in such a way that they're 'indestructable.' and why maps typically favor them and threw down more grounds as to what is wrong with the whole tanks vs infantry thing.

For example IRC chat argued that HAVs require infantry support. Devs disagreed.

In short

Developers up to yesterday where still thinking that AV was too powerful and HAVs where to weak based on thier internal testing. This is not something IRC imposed onto them at all.

Leither:I would like to chat. That you blocked people from talking in the best forum we have for direct discussion with CCP devs is preposterous.
Grideris:The reason the channel is moderated is becuase otherwise everyone would bombard them with questions.
But I can pass on thoughts/questions for you
Leither:You aren't representative of the Dust community.
Grideris:No problem there.
...
You have no idea...
Leither:Errr, I actually do.
You are hand-picking the dicussion purely to fit your own arbitrary opinions on the matter.
Isn't this a community channel?
Grideris:It is.
But I own it.
See the ~ ?
Leither:I'm very well aware.
Grideris:What is your question though.
I'll be happy to post it.
Leither:So you're saying that because you own the channel, you have the right to prevent other members of the Dust community from using the best resource they know of for talking to the CCP devs?
Grideris:Technically, the best resource is the forums.
Leither:Surely there are other options. You have slow mode, correct?
Grideris:Not here.
Leither:Naturally.
If you want to have a private conversation with the devs here, have it.
Grideris:But seriously, what is your question?
Or thought or what ever it is you want to say?
??
Leither:I won't use you as a filter. I'm entitled to equal ability to communicate with the devs.
Grideris:And you'll get it once they've wrapped this up.
One question at a time.

During the IRC discussion last night, Grideris decided to put the IRC into "voiced only" mode. That means only he got to choose which questions were asked during the discussion with the developers. There is no CCP oversight on the matter.

Grideris is a good guy. He made a site that's mostly dead now, and has been for a long while. He cares about Dust.

The problem is, he's not actually representative of the Dust player base. There were no elections, no appointments, and CCP certainly doesn't have any stipulations for him about the IRC chat. He was an Eve player. He doesn't represent any of the big Eve alliances, though. The guy didn't even have a PlayStation 3 until after June of last year, when Dust was announced as PS3 exclusive. That means he's not representative of the FPS gaming community either.

Yet he sits with a direct line to the devs, and he wants to claim to be your representative. Did you vote for him? No. Does he represent you in any capacity? Probably not. You don't even know the guy, and I don't even know the guy. His biggest claim to fame is that he has sat around and bothered CCP for a very long time about Dust.

The service Grid provides is great, but it's inherently biased. It has gone to his head, too. The emphasis in this private conversation I had with Grid in the IRC is mine.



Grid thinks because he owns the IRC, he owns the right to representing a community with whom he has no real connection. He wants to be your mouthpiece to CCP. That's preposterous though, because he represents a TINY minority of the Dust player base. There are much bigger organizations which are far more representative that don't enjoy such a luxury.

The bottom line is that the IRC is a great service, but there has to be CCP oversight. It is an inherently flawed mechanic to allow uninhibited ownership of what is a community asset in the hands of a biased community member. And in the end, the forums have to be the primary method of communication with the community because the community is here, on the forums, not in IRC.

yet in the tank culutre discussion we did express why HAVs are to prevailant and why AV feels underpowered and the developers revealed to us that in thier thinking two proto fitted heavies with forges was all you needed... we turned around and told them this wasnt the case currently and its possible to have tanks set up in such a way that they're 'indestructable.' and why maps typically favor them and threw down more grounds as to what is wrong with the whole tanks vs infantry thing.

For example IRC chat argued that HAVs require infantry support. Devs disagreed.

In short

Developers up to yesterday where still thinking that AV was too powerful and HAVs where to weak based on thier internal testing. This is not something IRC imposed onto them at all.

You have a Free, direct line set up to the Devs that anyone can join given time and interest.

It is free for you to access, as is the game itself. How may larger developers can you list that do that? Was there a 24 hour Skyrim IRC with the developers we missed last year? I sure didn't see one.

Rather than working for an hour on complex forum posts, I'd rather have them at their desks, PROGRAMMING AND TROUBLESHOOTING THE KITTENING GAME... meaning that IRC is a place for little burps of information on demand for both CCP and the players.

More more more., More more, more more more more more.... Give it a rest.

If it's important enough to fill pages in a forum, you could have logged in to IRC.

One crushed hand (I don't advise feeding your hand through steel rollers) , a body filled with destroyed connective tissues, 3 kids, a Life i don't neglect and even I made the effort to get in.

Whats your Excuse? can't spare ONE hand? I'm sure the majority of you have 2 working ones.

u seem to miss the previous points that were brought up about fanboyism and ignorance, ppl dont like being told DUST isnt up to par with any shooter, or the mechanics need work....ppl get very defensive and start bashin and gangin up on u because a person being an avid fps player is tellin them the fps side needs work and ppl who arent hardcore fps players finding nothing wrong

u tell me whose feedback is more important on that topic

A simple weekly update would suffice on the major issues which pop up in the week ie Tanks and the AV nerf and what they are doing

I didn't even get past the first few posts in this thread.

At the end of the day you all need to grow up, you're here to test the game. The Dev's and CCP have invited you to help them test, getting to play the game early, prior to release is a privelige. You shouldn't be complaining that you "have a life" and can't spend the time on IRC to keep up to date with things.

If you don't have that level of time to dedicate to you're participation in the beta event, don't go on IRC, i don't. But to sit there and criticize how CCP are running the show is very disrespectful and show's just how childish a lot of you are. They are doing the best that they can and you can't ask any more of them. If they spent more time on the forums or even on IRC you'd all be bitching about how they should spend more time fixing bugs and less time chatting with the community. They can't win no matter what they do if you're all going to be so immature. Maybe if you all grew up, started talking like adults and working together to test the game in a more mature fashion they would make more of an attempt to interact with people on the forums.

A large portion of you can't even use grammar or even spell words correctly and all you do is troll and flame or sperg and cry when someone you feel the game "NEEDS" or "MUST HAVE" is not implemented because it's not the direction that CCP want to take the game.

What you all need to remember is that CCP have a road map of this game that spans years, a lot of what you've said may even be on that map already, it's just not on the plan for initial stages of release. They are doing the best they can and are spending as much of their FREE TIME as they can on the forums to keep us in the loop. This forum is for Beta Testing feedback, not crying like a child.

But they need to be less like children if they want CCP to go out of their way.

I've not been on IRC in months and months and i'm in the same situation as everyone else on the forums, more information and feedback would be nice but it's never going to happen if all CCP see on the forums are children bickering and fighting and crying all the time.

You all need to sperg less and conduct yourselves better and less like spoiled brats and then maybe you'd get the feedback you'd like.

There never was much feedback in the forums. Most of us learned in game from the GM's we played along side. The state of the forum has little to do with the level of communication here. That has been a pure PR calculation thus far.

The simple fact is people on IRC are happy with the communication so far and many people on the forums aren't.

Now the Devs can choose to hide behind people like you who come in and call the unwashed forum plebs whiners and crybabies or they can reach out to them as well as they do to those on IRC and make more money for CCP in the long run.

I didn't even get past the first few posts in this thread.

At the end of the day you all need to grow up, you're here to test the game. The Dev's and CCP have invited you to help them test, getting to play the game early, prior to release is a privelige. You shouldn't be complaining that you "have a life" and can't spend the time on IRC to keep up to date with things.

If you don't have that level of time to dedicate to you're participation in the beta event, don't go on IRC, i don't. But to sit there and criticize how CCP are running the show is very disrespectful and show's just how childish a lot of you are. They are doing the best that they can and you can't ask any more of them. If they spent more time on the forums or even on IRC you'd all be bitching about how they should spend more time fixing bugs and less time chatting with the community. They can't win no matter what they do if you're all going to be so immature. Maybe if you all grew up, started talking like adults and working together to test the game in a more mature fashion they would make more of an attempt to interact with people on the forums.

A large portion of you can't even use grammar or even spell words correctly and all you do is troll and flame or sperg and cry when someone you feel the game "NEEDS" or "MUST HAVE" is not implemented because it's not the direction that CCP want to take the game.

What you all need to remember is that CCP have a road map of this game that spans years, a lot of what you've said may even be on that map already, it's just not on the plan for initial stages of release. They are doing the best they can and are spending as much of their FREE TIME as they can on the forums to keep us in the loop. This forum is for Beta Testing feedback, not crying like a child.

If the IRC is so damn important to CCP for live feedback and QA then they should created there own channel monitored by them not some biased individual who doesn't know better.

Read my post again, i'm saying i agree with the poor communication but that if it's to be corrected people need to go about it in a much better way than their current child like behavior.

Are you saying you think they are going about it the right way?...

As another reminder

#Dust-514 is CCP controled and likely to become the primary channel once NDA is lifted.

#Dust-514 beta is temporary.

Also CCP hands out more information over twitter and face book yet no compalints about that either?

Yes they should, CCP didn't have to offer Beta access in any way shape or form, i admit it;s a very good source of free feedback for them so they are gaining a lot more out of this but we're still getting involved with things and able to enjoy the game prior to release at the same time. The Dev's are still very hard at work making the game, they have family's etc, while we're playing the game after a hard day at work and demanding reply's and feedback on the forums those guys are still at work, testing corp battles in what is literally the middle of the night there.

Give them at least a little breathing room, i guarantee you that you'll get more feedback in a few weeks once their workloads eased off a little and the forums start being a lot less like a cesspit.

Again i agree with the pair of you, but my original comment wasn't exactly aimed at you two either, for a start you can both string a sentence together but i think you both knew that and just jumped on me. heh.

Because to an extent I agree with many of them and want to see them get what they're asking for here.

Next time someone from CCP is in IRC can you ask for a bigger ISD presence on these forums?

Normally i complain about ISD on the EVEO forums but i think they could be a hell of a lot of use here.

Keep it civil people.

There is an offical channel ccp has made
#Dust-514

The problem is its open to the public anyone is allowed here.

The NDA one is temporary, and is going only to last as long as the NDA once its lifted expected the reigns and usual conversations to xfer over to the public channel.

Also remember they are humans.

Average posting time span of most devs 30 seconds. time frame.

Average content of post in irc, cat pictures, status update on servers, joke of the day, teasing with soon(tm). QnA voulneteer and forum post concencus sessions are closer to 5% of total Dev content on IRC.

The channel is operated by probably the biggest dust 514 fan Ive seen anywhere, but he doesnt have time to manage us either and it seems ccp mostly hijacked the channel for the duration of the testing from him.

They're very busy most dont ever talk during thier workshift ever. Usually its around lunch breaks or what little breathing time one or two might have during a trip somewhere.

Some ccp employees and voulenetters in the channel are eve side and are just as cluesless as the rest of us and are no better than the average tester in terms of what they know is what is being worked on dust 514 side.

Here is more food for thought.

How many players know the forums exist?

Why should the forums be the main source of developer information why cant they tell us ingame? news links and website?

Any community member is not an acceptable moderator for the IRC channel. Only CCP oversight can prevent bias like the type many people in this thread have pointed out.

Any community member is not an acceptable moderator for the IRC channel. Only CCP oversight can prevent bias like the type many people in this thread have pointed out.

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Here is more food for thought.

How many players know the forums exist?

Why should the forums be the main source of developer information why cant they tell us ingame? news links and website?

Half of the info about DUST from the devs happens in the IRC channel

Why cant they use the forums instead and do a weekly update and what they think may happen and what is being tweeked and if any of the problems the forums has brought if they agree with us or why they dont

That way we can discuss properly and also early on instead of reading a few lines from a channel then dealing with a massive shitstorm afterwards because we didnt know about it unless your in the channel

Dont give me NDA or some other BS either because the IRC channel is an outside channel where as the forums is run by you the devs

Johnny the developers are busy they dont have time to go around ask two entire offices and make a post every week on what is up and the sorts.

And if you keep this complaints up nobody is going to get anymore information form anywhere, stop attacking the developers for at least trying to keep us informed and stop shooting the inbetween messengers.

Could someone on IRC let the devs know tanks could use a little more HP and a dmg buff to infantry.

Thanks.

They prob already did tbh

Someone say make HAVs a 20x + skill instead

I already said make HAV's a 64x skill. i don't think they'll listen to that, but maybe they will raise it. I also suggested a 100 mil - 200 mil price range.

Well if I am going to keep getting threads like this every time I relay the information I am going to stop posting them.

I am trying to gather questions for next time and all you guys do is complain that you cant get into IRC, well if you cant get into IRC when it be time ore technical reasons give the information and questions to people who can.

That is just it, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO!

Instead of letting the players GUESS where and when things and information happens, in a CLOSED beta, the DEVS should grow the kitten up and USE the media they them selves told us WE must use. THE FORUMS!

That is just it, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO!

Instead of letting the players GUESS where and when things and information happens, in a CLOSED beta, the DEVS should grow the kitten up and USE the media they them selves told us WE must use. THE FORUMS!

Why have i added you to my contacts list? I can't work it out, are you from SA? or GF.COM?

Look I just want to point out that I do apreciate the few individuals whom take the time to do CCP's job and properly relay the information back to the mass majority here. I do, and I think it's kind of you few to do so, but I have to continuesly point out how horrible it is that CCP is unwilling to amend the situation or properly afford the time to relay the information officially themselves. As I have said in the past and again recently before this in another thread -- by the time they relay the information officially we've had a couple weeks and several long threads to discuss the current affairs ourselves here on the forums. To me that is **** poor, and a lack of professionalism. They can use whatever tools they want, but if you are not going to recognize how inept they are at communicating properly to the majority of us then you need to pull your head out of their arse. I'm not saying they are not good developers. I just think they drop the ball when it comes to the things that matter most when it involves a game beyond code. It's not a wonder why so many EVE Online players over the last near decade (now) get upset. They do not talk. They just sort of let you know at the last minute and let you get hit in the face with what they did.

If you wanna talk about using the proper tools the IRC aside the forums, and e-mail are their biggest tools to letting the mass majority know what is going on. Especially since they have all of e-mail adresses, and a proper forum for which to post proper documentation, and information. The IRC to me is like twitter.. It should never be taken seriously, or used seriously for real information. Again I thank the few community individuals for relaying and posting what they get out of CCP themselves, but the fact remains that CCP is lackluster when it comes to communicating. If you judge a resturant based on the whole from food, to staff, and service; or an NFL team based on the players, and how they play together, and how their coach communicates, and properly supports his players; then I digress to the fact that CCP needs to work on this area especially.

Whatever.. I just needed to speak my mind. Not that it does any good. Just another dead beaten horse to throw to the mound with the rest. Sad really.

I have no idea. And it is besides the point here.

well I was the one who got out on the road to get ran over.

instead of just saying I heard from irc that...

well I was the one who got out on the road to get ran over.

instead of just saying I heard from irc that...

Said I wouldn't post for a bit but feel the need to add this.

I, and I feel most people on the forums are not angry at you mate, or the others who let us in what is said on the irc, we are disheartened by ccp and there lack of forum activity.

It is they who should be getting it in the neck not you .

Well its much harder to be two people in IRC, they can ping you easily and or can tell if you are proxy boxing.

You should know you can't use logic and common sense on the forums by now.

When you have poeple like Johnny August, Templar Two, and Pay two win constantly attacking me its easy to tint the colors on my shades.

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