Well. IRC is a picky place, we did have a 'rude' questioner last night it wouldnt surprise me if he got a stern talking to by the channel moderators. The question and tone he asked is along the lines of the deleted forum threads come across usually. Alot of vitrol and undeserving welping.

Condencending questions are usually not welcomed during the QnA and espeically when there is an offical CCP forum post already covering the question too.

I can see why they're not welcomed either, ccp q and a session was taking time out of thier lunch break to pop in and say hi, sometimes they just talk and shoot the wind and post cat pictures, sometimes they ask how is the game for us today (which we all generally respond breaking as usual) If it turned into an exact mirror of the forums for QnA I can see CCP stopping entirely.

As for that a shout out to Grideris for being a good channel moderator and keeping the place 'civil'

In the end not a single IRCer is obligated to relay the information.

I specifically choose not to direct quote either for various reasons alot of people are proving.

I just felt that its rather unfair for IRC events to happen with not everyone present or awake even (this q an a was 2am my time zone) and only those there would know what happened.

Well sorry Im dont know about your backroad short cut because you refuse to share that information until then I am sticking to what the GPS tells me to go.

The GPS you programmed, deleted information from, and told where to go. Perfect metaphor.

DUST gonna flop b/c of an unofficial IRC channel that bans the opposite perspective.

Not my fault your boys came across and degraded to personal attacks instead of focusing on the issue.

Also not my fault your boys never apologized and asked to get back in. its not hard.

Seriously the way some of fpsers, act questions how much maturity there is as 3 year olds can control thier tempers much better than some of these guys. Its no wonder why some get banned.

And johnny you're only further proving why they dont want to forum post as often as we like. If you treat other forum posters like this how are you expected to treat the developers any better?

See? You would ban me now if they only gave you the authority, Nova Knife. lol case in point.

I am not nova knife. My IRC name is Ironwolf.

I dont know Girderis/Gridboss personally. I dont help him run any of the dust 514 fan sites. I certainly dont talk to him like hes my best friend. I am also the worlds worst tank driver.

Lastly Nova Knife threatened me to ban me once over an argument on the NDA on a certain site.

I have no modder rights on any IRC chanel, I wouldnt even know the commands. I certainly dont use chatzillia like nova knife does, my ip adress doenst match his either and hes clearly in another time zone from myself.

You're pretty delusional to think I am the same as that FPS hardcore player.

-sigh- will u two please quit trying to get the topic locked.......this IRC thing is important quit fighting about that i just feel like we arent equal and thats the arguement

If all the info is being posted on IRC why even have forums? might as well lock the entire forum and be done with it. Got ppl in there sayin tanks are OK and AV nerf was fine when i was in there yesterday....my face was quickly introduced to my desk.

I saw that too and i left
clearly it HAV heaven maybe you haven't noticed but most of IRC dwellers are HAV users! coincidence? i doubt it

I saw that too and i left
clearly it HAV heaven maybe you haven't noticed but most of IRC dwellers are HAV users! coincidence? i doubt it

I saw that too and i left
clearly it HAV heaven maybe you haven't noticed but most of IRC dwellers are HAV users! coincidence? i doubt it

yet in the tank culutre discussion we did express why HAVs are to prevailant and why AV feels underpowered and the developers revealed to us that in thier thinking two proto fitted heavies with forges was all you needed... we turned around and told them this wasnt the case currently and its possible to have tanks set up in such a way that they're 'indestructable.' and why maps typically favor them and threw down more grounds as to what is wrong with the whole tanks vs infantry thing.

For example IRC chat argued that HAVs require infantry support. Devs disagreed.

In short

Developers up to yesterday where still thinking that AV was too powerful and HAVs where to weak based on thier internal testing. This is not something IRC imposed onto them at all.

Leither:I would like to chat. That you blocked people from talking in the best forum we have for direct discussion with CCP devs is preposterous.
Grideris:The reason the channel is moderated is becuase otherwise everyone would bombard them with questions.
But I can pass on thoughts/questions for you
Leither:You aren't representative of the Dust community.
Grideris:No problem there.
...
You have no idea...
Leither:Errr, I actually do.
You are hand-picking the dicussion purely to fit your own arbitrary opinions on the matter.
Isn't this a community channel?
Grideris:It is.
But I own it.
See the ~ ?
Leither:I'm very well aware.
Grideris:What is your question though.
I'll be happy to post it.
Leither:So you're saying that because you own the channel, you have the right to prevent other members of the Dust community from using the best resource they know of for talking to the CCP devs?
Grideris:Technically, the best resource is the forums.
Leither:Surely there are other options. You have slow mode, correct?
Grideris:Not here.
Leither:Naturally.
If you want to have a private conversation with the devs here, have it.
Grideris:But seriously, what is your question?
Or thought or what ever it is you want to say?
??
Leither:I won't use you as a filter. I'm entitled to equal ability to communicate with the devs.
Grideris:And you'll get it once they've wrapped this up.
One question at a time.

During the IRC discussion last night, Grideris decided to put the IRC into "voiced only" mode. That means only he got to choose which questions were asked during the discussion with the developers. There is no CCP oversight on the matter.

Grideris is a good guy. He made a site that's mostly dead now, and has been for a long while. He cares about Dust.

The problem is, he's not actually representative of the Dust player base. There were no elections, no appointments, and CCP certainly doesn't have any stipulations for him about the IRC chat. He was an Eve player. He doesn't represent any of the big Eve alliances, though. The guy didn't even have a PlayStation 3 until after June of last year, when Dust was announced as PS3 exclusive. That means he's not representative of the FPS gaming community either.

Yet he sits with a direct line to the devs, and he wants to claim to be your representative. Did you vote for him? No. Does he represent you in any capacity? Probably not. You don't even know the guy, and I don't even know the guy. His biggest claim to fame is that he has sat around and bothered CCP for a very long time about Dust.

The service Grid provides is great, but it's inherently biased. It has gone to his head, too. The emphasis in this private conversation I had with Grid in the IRC is mine.



Grid thinks because he owns the IRC, he owns the right to representing a community with whom he has no real connection. He wants to be your mouthpiece to CCP. That's preposterous though, because he represents a TINY minority of the Dust player base. There are much bigger organizations which are far more representative that don't enjoy such a luxury.

The bottom line is that the IRC is a great service, but there has to be CCP oversight. It is an inherently flawed mechanic to allow uninhibited ownership of what is a community asset in the hands of a biased community member. And in the end, the forums have to be the primary method of communication with the community because the community is here, on the forums, not in IRC.

yet in the tank culutre discussion we did express why HAVs are to prevailant and why AV feels underpowered and the developers revealed to us that in thier thinking two proto fitted heavies with forges was all you needed... we turned around and told them this wasnt the case currently and its possible to have tanks set up in such a way that they're 'indestructable.' and why maps typically favor them and threw down more grounds as to what is wrong with the whole tanks vs infantry thing.

For example IRC chat argued that HAVs require infantry support. Devs disagreed.

In short

Developers up to yesterday where still thinking that AV was too powerful and HAVs where to weak based on thier internal testing. This is not something IRC imposed onto them at all.

You have a Free, direct line set up to the Devs that anyone can join given time and interest.

It is free for you to access, as is the game itself. How may larger developers can you list that do that? Was there a 24 hour Skyrim IRC with the developers we missed last year? I sure didn't see one.

Rather than working for an hour on complex forum posts, I'd rather have them at their desks, PROGRAMMING AND TROUBLESHOOTING THE KITTENING GAME... meaning that IRC is a place for little burps of information on demand for both CCP and the players.

More more more., More more, more more more more more.... Give it a rest.

If it's important enough to fill pages in a forum, you could have logged in to IRC.

One crushed hand (I don't advise feeding your hand through steel rollers) , a body filled with destroyed connective tissues, 3 kids, a Life i don't neglect and even I made the effort to get in.

Whats your Excuse? can't spare ONE hand? I'm sure the majority of you have 2 working ones.