DUST Search - Why the IRC?

JonnyAugust wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Well. IRC is a picky place, we did have a 'rude' questioner last night it wouldnt surprise me if he got a stern talking to by the channel moderators. The question and tone he asked is along the lines of the deleted forum threads come across usually. Alot of vitrol and undeserving welping.

Condencending questions are usually not welcomed during the QnA and espeically when there is an offical CCP forum post already covering the question too.

I can see why they're not welcomed either, ccp q and a session was taking time out of thier lunch break to pop in and say hi, sometimes they just talk and shoot the wind and post cat pictures, sometimes they ask how is the game for us today (which we all generally respond breaking as usual) If it turned into an exact mirror of the forums for QnA I can see CCP stopping entirely.

As for that a shout out to Grideris for being a good channel moderator and keeping the place 'civil'

In the end not a single IRCer is obligated to relay the information.

I specifically choose not to direct quote either for various reasons alot of people are proving.

I just felt that its rather unfair for IRC events to happen with not everyone present or awake even (this q an a was 2am my time zone) and only those there would know what happened.

DUST gonna flop b/c of an unofficial IRC channel that bans the opposite perspective.


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Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:41:00 - [1] - Quote Well if I am going to keep getting threads like this every time I relay the information I am going to stop posting them. I am trying to gather questions for next time and all you guys do is complain that you cant get into IRC, well if you cant get into IRC when it be time ore technical reasons give the information and questions to people who can.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:46:00 - [2] - Quote Whoa whoa whoa. CCP usually ask us questions about certain things becuase thier own numbers are not something they like when it be internal testing or results comming from live, its our job to remind them of current game culutre and what we feel about certain things. Also ccp in IRC has shown they are very capable of ignoring ideas and playing dodge the question.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:55:00 - [3] - Quote Most IRCers if you know who they are wold be more than happy to represent you guys on the channel. I was asking for questions last night on the forums and only got one. Which sadly had little to do with gunhandeling.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:04:00 - [4] - Quote Well. IRC is a picky place, we did have a 'rude' questioner last night it wouldnt surprise me if he got a stern talking to by the channel moderators. The question and tone he asked is along the lines of the deleted forum threads come across usually. Alot of vitrol and undeserving welping. Condencending questions are usually not welcomed during the QnA and espeically when there is an offical CCP forum post already covering the question too. I can see why they're not welcomed either, ccp q and a session was taking time out of thier lunch break to pop in and say hi, sometimes they just talk and shoot the wind and post cat pictures, sometimes they ask how is the game for us today (which we all generally respond breaking as usual) If it turned into an exact mirror of the forums for QnA I can see CCP stopping entirely. As for that a shout out to Grideris for being a good channel moderator and keeping the place 'civil' In the end not a single IRCer is obligated to relay the information. I specifically choose not to direct quote either for various reasons alot of people are proving. I just felt that its rather unfair for IRC events to happen with not everyone present or awake even (this q an a was 2am my time zone) and only those there would know what happened.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:25:00 - [5] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well sorry Im dont know about your backroad short cut because you refuse to share that information until then I am sticking to what the GPS tells me to go. The GPS you programmed, deleted information from, and told where to go. Perfect metaphor. Cept you gave it to me to use when i cearly insisted on getting a new one.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:30:00 - [6] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well. IRC is a picky place, we did have a 'rude' questioner last night it wouldnt surprise me if he got a stern talking to by the channel moderators. The question and tone he asked is along the lines of the deleted forum threads come across usually. Alot of vitrol and undeserving welping. Condencending questions are usually not welcomed during the QnA and espeically when there is an offical CCP forum post already covering the question too. I can see why they're not welcomed either, ccp q and a session was taking time out of thier lunch break to pop in and say hi, sometimes they just talk and shoot the wind and post cat pictures, sometimes they ask how is the game for us today (which we all generally respond breaking as usual) If it turned into an exact mirror of the forums for QnA I can see CCP stopping entirely. As for that a shout out to Grideris for being a good channel moderator and keeping the place 'civil' In the end not a single IRCer is obligated to relay the information. I specifically choose not to direct quote either for various reasons alot of people are proving. I just felt that its rather unfair for IRC events to happen with not everyone present or awake even (this q an a was 2am my time zone) and only those there would know what happened. DUST gonna flop b/c of an unofficial IRC channel that bans the opposite perspective. Not my fault your boys came across and degraded to personal attacks instead of focusing on the issue. Also not my fault your boys never apologized and asked to get back in. its not hard. Seriously the way some of fpsers, act questions how much maturity there is as 3 year olds can control thier tempers much better than some of these guys. Its no wonder why some get banned.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:39:00 - [7] - Quote And johnny you're only further proving why they dont want to forum post as often as we like. If you treat other forum posters like this how are you expected to treat the developers any better?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:44:00 - [8] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: And johnny you're only further proving why they dont want to forum post as often as we like. If you treat other forum posters like this how are you expected to treat the developers any better? See? You would ban me now if they only gave you the authority, Nova Knife. lol case in point. I am not nova knife. My IRC name is Ironwolf. I dont know Girderis/Gridboss personally. I dont help him run any of the dust 514 fan sites. I certainly dont talk to him like hes my best friend. I am also the worlds worst tank driver. Lastly Nova Knife threatened me to ban me once over an argument on the NDA on a certain site. I have no modder rights on any IRC chanel, I wouldnt even know the commands. I certainly dont use chatzillia like nova knife does, my ip adress doenst match his either and hes clearly in another time zone from myself. You're pretty delusional to think I am the same as that FPS hardcore player.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 18:11:00 - [9] - Quote I dont have time to be nova knife, hows that for an answer johnny?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 18:21:00 - [10] - Quote KingBlade82 wrote: -sigh- will u two please quit trying to get the topic locked.......this IRC thing is important quit fighting about that i just feel like we arent equal and thats the arguement I feel your pain which is why I joined the channel. just I know others are unable to/dont have the time to. I mean every minute I am in IRC is a minute I am not playing dust 514. the pc and ps3 are in seperate rooms.

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 18:50:00 - [11] - Quote Shadows Maker wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: If all the info is being posted on IRC why even have forums? might as well lock the entire forum and be done with it. Got ppl in there sayin tanks are OK and AV nerf was fine when i was in there yesterday....my face was quickly introduced to my desk. I saw that too and i left clearly it HAV heaven maybe you haven't noticed but most of IRC dwellers are HAV users! coincidence? i doubt it yet in the tank culutre discussion we did express why HAVs are to prevailant and why AV feels underpowered and the developers revealed to us that in thier thinking two proto fitted heavies with forges was all you needed... we turned around and told them this wasnt the case currently and its possible to have tanks set up in such a way that they're 'indestructable.' and why maps typically favor them and threw down more grounds as to what is wrong with the whole tanks vs infantry thing. For example IRC chat argued that HAVs require infantry support. Devs disagreed. In short Developers up to yesterday where still thinking that AV was too powerful and HAVs where to weak based on thier internal testing. This is not something IRC imposed onto them at all.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 19:54:00 - [12] - Quote it was mentioned again that it was far easier to skill for Vehicle operation vs anti vehicle options also that people where not expecting HAVs to be out so early and thirdly that AV SP awards barely keep up as HAV oeprators just seem to get way too much isk and SP. Which also lead to the resent why blow up a tank? Its too costly in any and everything to go destroy one where as avoiding the tank and continuing to kill infantry nets better payout. the whole tank discussion was really really really long and it sbeen something thats been a constant subject on irc on both sides at least.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.02 00:16:00 - [13] - Quote A few other things Devs treat IRC like a coffee shop, they treat the forums like a podium at a business meeting. Forums have horrendus lag between a developer asking and player responses. IRC has the ability to laser pointer to ask a certain palyer to go blow up thier ps3 in experiments. We lost two IRCer ps3s so far. IRC doesnt scale well, if 1200 testers where in irc all the same time messages would fly by so fast I wouldnt be able to keep up. Forums serve much better as harvesters of data, IE corp battle feedback. It doesnt serve as good of a spot to pitch ideas at yet becuase there isnt enough of a foundation on our end to solidify every theory this is going to change over time. Current Developers that are supposed to be talking to us are extremly busy else where. IE marketing. CCP Fang and CCP commander wang are overly busy doing non community manager things despite that is thier title once the game gets polsihed enough and launch you can expect these guys to pop thier heads in the forums more frequently, dev blogs to happen more often and the sorts. Just right now we're at a special horrible spot called deadline for launch. Lots of money to be lost or gained is at stakes and as cerberal pointed out they took time out of thier lunch break to talk to us.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.02 00:51:00 - [14] - Quote Keep it civil people. There is an offical channel ccp has made #Dust-514 The problem is its open to the public anyone is allowed here. The NDA one is temporary, and is going only to last as long as the NDA once its lifted expected the reigns and usual conversations to xfer over to the public channel. Also remember they are humans. Average posting time span of most devs 30 seconds. time frame. Average content of post in irc, cat pictures, status update on servers, joke of the day, teasing with soon(tm). QnA voulneteer and forum post concencus sessions are closer to 5% of total Dev content on IRC. The channel is operated by probably the biggest dust 514 fan Ive seen anywhere, but he doesnt have time to manage us either and it seems ccp mostly hijacked the channel for the duration of the testing from him. They're very busy most dont ever talk during thier workshift ever. Usually its around lunch breaks or what little breathing time one or two might have during a trip somewhere. Some ccp employees and voulenetters in the channel are eve side and are just as cluesless as the rest of us and are no better than the average tester in terms of what they know is what is being worked on dust 514 side.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.02 00:54:00 - [15] - Quote Dawg stop over translating a few lines, cool off a bit and come back when you a bit calmer plase.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.02 01:00:00 - [16] - Quote As another reminder #Dust-514 is CCP controled and likely to become the primary channel once NDA is lifted. #Dust-514 beta is temporary. Also CCP hands out more information over twitter and face book yet no compalints about that either?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.02 01:42:00 - [17] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Next time someone from CCP is in IRC can you ask for a bigger ISD presence on these forums? Normally i complain about ISD on the EVEO forums but i think they could be a hell of a lot of use here. Do we even have isd here?... there is only one STAR and hes there on unoffical business.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.02 02:02:00 - [18] - Quote You guys are being listend to we are doing our best to remind the devs that get too caught up in thier work we still matter.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.02 04:22:00 - [19] - Quote Here is more food for thought. How many players know the forums exist? Why should the forums be the main source of developer information why cant they tell us ingame? news links and website?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.02 04:27:00 - [20] - Quote I also find it odd as big as a fan Grideris/Gridboss (dust 514 character) I have yet to see the guy in the game at all. Then again hes in unviersity.

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.02 04:36:00 - [21] - Quote Yup whole reason why I am not a moderator, I get angry easily :P
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.02 05:09:00 - [22] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Any community member is not an acceptable moderator for the IRC channel. Only CCP oversight can prevent bias like the type many people in this thread have pointed out. Yet I bet if people where talking as bad as they where in the #dust514 channel most would have been dismissed for nda breaches.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.02 14:06:00 - [23] - Quote Johnny the developers are busy they dont have time to go around ask two entire offices and make a post every week on what is up and the sorts. And if you keep this complaints up nobody is going to get anymore information form anywhere, stop attacking the developers for at least trying to keep us informed and stop shooting the inbetween messengers.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.02 14:51:00 - [24] - Quote fenrir that what the community manager does but dust 514 hasnt launched yet and there isnt need for one yet, the current team of community mangers we know of consists of 2 people. Normally but the both of them have been rather busy and tbh wolfman pokes his head into the irc channel than they do. It also seems from IRCs point of view they've shoved CCP Frame in the server room so he can keep the hamsters feed. CCP CmndWang seems much busier with Marketing side atm.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.02 23:34:00 - [25] - Quote Thank you. Anyways I really really do hope post beta launching the two community managers will have much more time hanging out with us in the fourms at least. It also wouldnt hurt if we got more dev blogs as well.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.03 03:04:00 - [26] - Quote Speaking about devs communicating Devs need your help here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=286191#post286191 this is something beyond IRC voulenteer capabilities.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.03 14:29:00 - [27] - Quote Dewie Cheecham wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well if I am going to keep getting threads like this every time I relay the information I am going to stop posting them. I am trying to gather questions for next time and all you guys do is complain that you cant get into IRC, well if you cant get into IRC when it be time ore technical reasons give the information and questions to people who can. That is just it, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO! Instead of letting the players GUESS where and when things and information happens, in a CLOSED beta, the DEVS should grow the kitten up and USE the media they them selves told us WE must use. THE FORUMS! Last night's session was less than 3 minutes long and the guy left mid question to handel a server issue. I dont think he had time to forum post. He didnt come back until 2 hours later. Also if I am saying something they dont like a delete and ban button for them is only a few clicks away.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.03 18:57:00 - [28] - Quote Email isnt that good I rarely check my psn one as its the spam mail.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.03 20:33:00 - [29] - Quote well I was the one who got out on the road to get ran over. instead of just saying I heard from irc that...
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.03 22:20:00 - [30] - Quote fenrir storm wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: well I was the one who got out on the road to get ran over. instead of just saying I heard from irc that... Said I wouldn't post for a bit but feel the need to add this. I, and I feel most people on the forums are not angry at you mate, or the others who let us in what is said on the irc, we are disheartened by ccp and there lack of forum activity. It is they who should be getting it in the neck not you . When you have poeple like Johnny August, Templar Two, and Pay two win constantly attacking me its easy to tint the colors on my shades.

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.03 23:34:00 - [31] - Quote Well its much harder to be two people in IRC, they can ping you easily and or can tell if you are proxy boxing.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.04 00:52:00 - [32] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well its much harder to be two people in IRC, they can ping you easily and or can tell if you are proxy boxing. You should know you can't use logic and common sense on the forums by now. Are bludgeons and hammers okay?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.04 12:54:00 - [33] - Quote <- This messenger is armed with the following: Sharp Tonge Vexxing Nature Entrapment Conversations Scatterbrain Evasion