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Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.01 23:54:00 -
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On the subject of tanks from a business perspective: You can't sell AUR to players who don't die.
As far as IRC goes it's just your typical rambling nerd fueled MMO.txt with a dev popping in once and a while to pick their brain. The devs clearly have their own ideas on how the game should be played and their interaction on IRC is probably more about influencing their peers rather than being influenced by the people on IRC. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:06:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:
A simple weekly update would suffice on the major issues which pop up in the week ie Tanks and the AV nerf and what they are doing
This.
Like, "Hey, Mercs! This week we're gonna make killing a tank completely and utterly impossible. W00t!" |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:21:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:I didn't even get past the first few posts in this thread.
At the end of the day you all need to grow up, you're here to test the game. The Dev's and CCP have invited you to help them test, getting to play the game early, prior to release is a privelige. You shouldn't be complaining that you "have a life" and can't spend the time on IRC to keep up to date with things.
If you don't have that level of time to dedicate to you're participation in the beta event, don't go on IRC, i don't. But to sit there and criticize how CCP are running the show is very disrespectful and show's just how childish a lot of you are. They are doing the best that they can and you can't ask any more of them. If they spent more time on the forums or even on IRC you'd all be bitching about how they should spend more time fixing bugs and less time chatting with the community. They can't win no matter what they do if you're all going to be so immature. Maybe if you all grew up, started talking like adults and working together to test the game in a more mature fashion they would make more of an attempt to interact with people on the forums.
A large portion of you can't even use grammar or even spell words correctly and all you do is troll and flame or sperg and cry when someone you feel the game "NEEDS" or "MUST HAVE" is not implemented because it's not the direction that CCP want to take the game.
What you all need to remember is that CCP have a road map of this game that spans years, a lot of what you've said may even be on that map already, it's just not on the plan for initial stages of release. They are doing the best they can and are spending as much of their FREE TIME as they can on the forums to keep us in the loop. This forum is for Beta Testing feedback, not crying like a child.
Try and be 100% less smug.
Many in this thread may not be communicating their point very well but the fact is CCP isn't working for free here. This isn't some Kickstarter project but many of these people have spent real money already to an unfinished product and WANT a reason to be given to them to continue doing so. They are basically here begging for CCP to open their wallet for them in their own little way.
Asking for more communication on changes that effect thier willingness to remain paying customers seems reasonable. One man's dollar is as good as another's - IRC or forum troll.
The misconception about IRC notwithstanding, the recent AV change was drastic and communicating the intent behind the change should have been handled better. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:29:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:But they need to be less like children if they want CCP to go out of their way.
I've not been on IRC in months and months and i'm in the same situation as everyone else on the forums, more information and feedback would be nice but it's never going to happen if all CCP see on the forums are children bickering and fighting and crying all the time.
You all need to sperg less and conduct yourselves better and less like spoiled brats and then maybe you'd get the feedback you'd like.
There never was much feedback in the forums. Most of us learned in game from the GM's we played along side. The state of the forum has little to do with the level of communication here. That has been a pure PR calculation thus far.
The simple fact is people on IRC are happy with the communication so far and many people on the forums aren't.
Now the Devs can choose to hide behind people like you who come in and call the unwashed forum plebs whiners and crybabies or they can reach out to them as well as they do to those on IRC and make more money for CCP in the long run. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:54:00 -
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Shadows Maker wrote:If the IRC is so damn important to CCP for live feedback and QA then they should created there own channel monitored by them not some biased individual who doesn't know better.
The channel is pretty open most of time aside from a few empty e-peen driven threats of banning here and there.
The only reason Grideris moderated the channel was because the questions were going by a bit fast.
He does a good job with the channel and I think it's fine in his hands. The issue isn't about IRC, it's about the forums and how the users here can get the same level of satisfaction as the IRC users have. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:58:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Ignatius Crumwald wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:But they need to be less like children if they want CCP to go out of their way.
I've not been on IRC in months and months and i'm in the same situation as everyone else on the forums, more information and feedback would be nice but it's never going to happen if all CCP see on the forums are children bickering and fighting and crying all the time.
You all need to sperg less and conduct yourselves better and less like spoiled brats and then maybe you'd get the feedback you'd like. There never was much feedback in the forums. Most of us learned in game from the GM's we played along side. The state of the forum has little to do with the level of communication here. That has been a pure PR calculation thus far. The simple fact is people on IRC are happy with the communication so far and many people on the forums aren't. Now the Devs can choose to hide behind people like you who come in and call the unwashed forum plebs whiners and crybabies or they can reach out to them as well as they do to those on IRC and make more money for CCP in the long run. Read my post again, i'm saying i agree with the poor communication but that if it's to be corrected people need to go about it in a much better way than their current child like behavior. Are you saying you think they are going about it the right way?...
They shouldn't have to go about it the right way. CCP wants their money, these people want communication.
make the transaction.
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Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:22:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Yes they should, CCP didn't have to offer Beta access in any way shape or form, i admit it;s a very good source of free feedback for them so they are gaining a lot more out of this but we're still getting involved with things and able to enjoy the game prior to release at the same time. The Dev's are still very hard at work making the game, they have family's etc, while we're playing the game after a hard day at work and demanding reply's and feedback on the forums those guys are still at work, testing corp battles in what is literally the middle of the night there.
Give them at least a little breathing room, i guarantee you that you'll get more feedback in a few weeks once their workloads eased off a little and the forums start being a lot less like a cesspit.
The forums are always going to be a cesspit - that's their charm. There isn't much more necessary to making the forums happy as they will ever be than a simple official round-up of what is planned and what was discussed in IRC.
For the community at large a simple news post outlining testing goals, future goals, and reasons for the changes they make would go a long way in keeping the community feel they're a part of the testing as well as.putting much of the nonconstructive conspiratorial speculation to rest. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:37:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Again i agree with the pair of you, but my original comment wasn't exactly aimed at you two either, for a start you can both string a sentence together but i think you both knew that and just jumped on me. heh.
Because to an extent I agree with many of them and want to see them get what they're asking for here. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.09.02 04:14:00 -
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All the drama isn't necessary.
Maybe in the earlier builds the current communication apparatus was sufficient or even optimal.
However, now that alliances and corporations are forming in preparation for release the whole method of communication needs to be rethought or time tables on implementing post release community infrastructure needs to be pushed up so everything doesn't appear so county fair beauty pageant. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.09.02 04:29:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Here is more food for thought.
How many players know the forums exist?
Why should the forums be the main source of developer information why cant they tell us ingame? news links and website?
It's not. there's facebook, twitter, etc. Remember, the forums are protected by PSN login and linked to the characters we create which allows us to discuss the game while the NDA is in effect in a secure manner.
Arguably, the IRC is not as secure by comparison yet more IS discussed there. |
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