DUST Search - Why the IRC?

EnglishSnake wrote:

Mavado V Noriega wrote:

J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:

I want the info I don't want to hav to use some ***** third party chat room to get it. Don't need to listen to a bunch of kittens in IRC argue about random crap or post their tank boosted KDR,

I would rather that the info was given in the IRC AS WELL AS posted here,

I would also like the weekly feedback thread others are suggesting.

Its just complicating things, make these forums the focus and streamline it all.

Also the IRC is owned by a third party, its biased, my alliance mate got into a heated argument and then was banned from the channel because the mods didn't agree with him.

I dont need that crap, its a joke.

If its gizmo then yea me and giz had a laugh about that, he messaged me and said he got banned because he was voicing his opinion on the core mechanics and the fanboys told him go back to MAG, last time i voiced my concerns there on core mechanics i got told to go back to a game i hate.....cod....so yea alot of fanboyism and ignorance at times on the IRC. Used to be there alot now i rarely stop by, waste of my time because anyone can see its mainly EVE centric ppl that congregate there and anytime u try to have a discussion from a console FPS perspective on what works for FPS and what works for the console community WHICH TBQH alot of them have zero to limited knowledge on since they dont have the in depth console community experience with how different communities on console work

If all the info is being posted on IRC why even have forums? might as well lock the entire forum and be done with it. Got ppl in there sayin tanks are OK and AV nerf was fine when i was in there yesterday....my face was quickly introduced to my desk.

There you go

If you dont fit in or agree with the mods then you get banned, it is clearly biased and not the best place for CCP to get feedback on a game in development

At least with these forums everyone who has the beta can have a say and express ther opionion even if its shot down

Cut out the IRC tbh and give use the info on a sticky thread is all we ask so we dont get it twisted by some hack on an IRC

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EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.09.01 11:57:00 - [1] - Quote Half of the info about DUST from the devs happens in the IRC channel Why cant they use the forums instead and do a weekly update and what they think may happen and what is being tweeked and if any of the problems the forums has brought if they agree with us or why they dont That way we can discuss properly and also early on instead of reading a few lines from a channel then dealing with a massive shitstorm afterwards because we didnt know about it unless your in the channel Dont give me NDA or some other BS either because the IRC channel is an outside channel where as the forums is run by you the devs
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.09.01 12:12:00 - [2] - Quote + 1
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.09.01 12:49:00 - [3] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34262&find=unread This is the problem Instead of 2nd hand feedback why couldnt you the devs make a damn thread about it instead
KingBlade82 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2012.09.01 13:14:00 - [4] - Quote oh so im guessing u read what i said :P
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.09.01 13:31:00 - [5] - Quote An Official Its Addressed in the Next Patch thread would stop the flaming; we would know the issue was addressed, not to mention it would make any statements claimed to be by CCP source able. Instead we get second hand information that can only be confirmed by being there, this is a sloppy way to disseminate information to the casual tester; which is now most testers due to frustration with instant battle finder and lack of feedback.
Gilbatron Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda 81	Posted - 2012.09.01 13:52:00 - [6] - Quote yeah, keeping communication on IRC is very very very bad. dont know why CCP cant reckognize it :(
Darky SI 232	Posted - 2012.09.01 14:11:00 - [7] - Quote Yeah its just stupid, am not going to join 3rd party chat channel to get info about closed beta which has its own forums
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.09.01 14:29:00 - [8] - Quote I TRY to play Dust once a day but with all the reboots there is little point going on the IRC unless I have half a day to dedicate to Squading up, dealing with reboots/crashes/bugs(on multiple machines) and then maybe getting a little play time in. Free time like that rarely appears and I am damn sure not going to waste it mostly talking/playing a mostly rubbish build, with 3 other guys on the internet. The forums are quicker and my phone can handle them easier, the IRC is just extra hassle in my mind.
Noric C-8 Doomheim 16	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:11:00 - [9] - Quote Why arn't you guys on IRC? Its not that hard. I can even do it from my cell phone. You don't even need to download an app as you can use the flash based client. Go here: http://www.dust514.org/chat DO IT!!!
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:19:00 - [10] - Quote Noric C-8 wrote: Why arn't you guys on IRC? Its not that hard. I can even do it from my cell phone. You don't even need to download an app as you can use the flash based client. Go here: http://www.dust514.org/chat DO IT!!! Cause I have a life and can't be on my kittening computer all day hoping to be in when devs decide to hand down their information from on high

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:23:00 - [11] - Quote The answer could be related to elitism.
Noric C-8 Doomheim 16	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:28:00 - [12] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Noric C-8 wrote: Why arn't you guys on IRC? Its not that hard. I can even do it from my cell phone. You don't even need to download an app as you can use the flash based client. Go here: http://www.dust514.org/chat DO IT!!! Cause I have a life and can't be on my kittening computer all day hoping to be in when devs decide to hand down their information from on high And the rest of us don't have lives or other things besides games? Yeah... There are work arounds such as chat logs and search functions as part of IRC clients. They are my friends. You have been educated :)
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:28:00 - [13] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Noric C-8 wrote: Why arn't you guys on IRC? Its not that hard. I can even do it from my cell phone. You don't even need to download an app as you can use the flash based client. Go here: http://www.dust514.org/chat DO IT!!! Cause I have a life and can't be on my kittening computer all day hoping to be in when devs decide to hand down their information from on high EVEn tho when im on the forums and playing EVE i dont want to have the IRC up watching potatoes argue over things and then watch them drool as a CCP dev turns up and then spew up some bad ideas Instead i would rarther have CCP make an offical weekly thread instead saying what they think about the current state of things
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:31:00 - [14] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Noric C-8 wrote: Why arn't you guys on IRC? Its not that hard. I can even do it from my cell phone. You don't even need to download an app as you can use the flash based client. Go here: http://www.dust514.org/chat DO IT!!! Cause I have a life and can't be on my kittening computer all day hoping to be in when devs decide to hand down their information from on high EVEn tho when im on the forums and playing EVE i dont want to have the IRC up watching potatoes argue over things and then watch them drool as a CCP dev turns up and then spew up some bad ideas Instead i would rarther have CCP make an offical weekly thread instead saying what they think about the current state of things Signed
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:34:00 - [15] - Quote Noric C-8 wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Noric C-8 wrote: Why arn't you guys on IRC? Its not that hard. I can even do it from my cell phone. You don't even need to download an app as you can use the flash based client. Go here: http://www.dust514.org/chat DO IT!!! Cause I have a life and can't be on my kittening computer all day hoping to be in when devs decide to hand down their information from on high And the rest of us don't have lives or other things besides games? Yeah... There are work arounds such as chat logs and search functions as part of IRC clients. They are my friends. You have been educated :) The point is we arent there to give our feedback not that we cant see what CCP said. The forums allow a dialogue to happen over time which in turn will grant a better sample size not who ever happens to be on at the time. HAV drivers on IRC sound like they are driving fiberglass go carts and that is obviously not whats going on with HAVS now. I can gurantee CCP doesnt go line by line over IRC for the time they aren't on.
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:35:00 - [16] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Half of the info about DUST from the devs happens in the IRC channel Why cant they use the forums instead and do a weekly update and what they think may happen and what is being tweeked and if any of the problems the forums has brought if they agree with us or why they dont That way we can discuss properly and also early on instead of reading a few lines from a channel then dealing with a massive shitstorm afterwards because we didnt know about it unless your in the channel Dont give me NDA or some other BS either because the IRC channel is an outside channel where as the forums is run by you the devs QFT
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:39:00 - [17] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Half of the info about DUST from the devs happens in the IRC channel Why cant they use the forums instead and do a weekly update and what they think may happen and what is being tweeked and if any of the problems the forums has brought if they agree with us or why they dont That way we can discuss properly and also early on instead of reading a few lines from a channel then dealing with a massive shitstorm afterwards because we didnt know about it unless your in the channel Dont give me NDA or some other BS either because the IRC channel is an outside channel where as the forums is run by you the devs QFT You are quite welcome to join us on IRC. It's were we have discussions, where the dev's come to sometimes wind down and just have chats with the players and where we explain issues that can't be explained otherwise. Yesterday we set up a test with CCP Wolfman about the Swarm Launcher going mad at launch and not all missiles locking. That's not something you can do with the forum's "correspondance" style of communication. So you're welcome at any time.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:41:00 - [18] - Quote Well if I am going to keep getting threads like this every time I relay the information I am going to stop posting them. I am trying to gather questions for next time and all you guys do is complain that you cant get into IRC, well if you cant get into IRC when it be time ore technical reasons give the information and questions to people who can.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:43:00 - [19] - Quote Carilito wrote: Noric C-8 wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Noric C-8 wrote: Why arn't you guys on IRC? Its not that hard. I can even do it from my cell phone. You don't even need to download an app as you can use the flash based client. Go here: http://www.dust514.org/chat DO IT!!! Cause I have a life and can't be on my kittening computer all day hoping to be in when devs decide to hand down their information from on high And the rest of us don't have lives or other things besides games? Yeah... There are work arounds such as chat logs and search functions as part of IRC clients. They are my friends. You have been educated :) The point is we arent there to give our feedback not that we cant see what CCP said. The forums allow a dialogue to happen over time which in turn will grant a better sample size not who ever happens to be on at the time. HAV drivers on IRC sound like they are driving fiberglass go carts and that is obviously not whats going on with HAVS now. I can gurantee CCP doesnt go line by line over IRC for the time they aren't on. Thats the problem We have these potatoes who think they know it all when they clearly couldnt tell the difference between black and white and are sprouting **** tbh like its fact HAV are like fiberglass?, i mean if they are saying that in the IRC then tbh CCP shouldnt even look at the IRC because its like they are changing the game for themselves and not for the good of the game
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:46:00 - [20] - Quote Whoa whoa whoa. CCP usually ask us questions about certain things becuase thier own numbers are not something they like when it be internal testing or results comming from live, its our job to remind them of current game culutre and what we feel about certain things. Also ccp in IRC has shown they are very capable of ignoring ideas and playing dodge the question.

arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 186	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:51:00 - [21] - Quote You all seem to believe the people in irc are getting some kind of special treatment, it is only one of many avenues of discussion if it's not one you choose to use so be it but that doesn't give you much room to whine and moan.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:52:00 - [22] - Quote All the op wants is a stickied thread with the info they are giving on IRC, it should have the disclaimer saying it is subject to change or what have you but that all he wants. My phone wont bring up the IRC so if I dont have a laptop right there its the forums for me. IRC should be used for those kind of tests and I applaud CCP for taking advantage of IRC for that but it doesnt change the fact that if that info was post by a dev. as a sticky on the forum, in the manner of "This is what we are going to address in the next build, we appreciate your feedback." it would turn this forum into a more constructive place. As opposed to the "Why the **** did you do that CCP?" or "this game is a fail" threads. Its shows progress and in turn more interest will come from your casual testers. IRC is great
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:55:00 - [23] - Quote Most IRCers if you know who they are wold be more than happy to represent you guys on the channel. I was asking for questions last night on the forums and only got one. Which sadly had little to do with gunhandeling.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.09.01 15:56:00 - [24] - Quote I want the info I don't want to hav to use some ***** third party chat room to get it. Don't need to listen to a bunch of kittens in IRC argue about random crap or post their tank boosted KDR, I would rather that the info was given in the IRC AS WELL AS posted here, I would also like the weekly feedback thread others are suggesting. Its just complicating things, make these forums the focus and streamline it all. Also the IRC is owned by a third party, its biased, my alliance mate got into a heated argument and then was banned from the channel because the mods didn't agree with him. I dont need that crap, its a joke.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:11:00 - [25] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: I want the info I don't want to hav to use some ***** third party chat room to get it. Don't need to listen to a bunch of kittens in IRC argue about random crap or post their tank boosted KDR, I would rather that the info was given in the IRC AS WELL AS posted here, I would also like the weekly feedback thread others are suggesting. Its just complicating things, make these forums the focus and streamline it all. Also the IRC is owned by a third party, its biased, my alliance mate got into a heated argument and then was banned from the channel because the mods didn't agree with him. I dont need that crap, its a joke. If its gizmo then yea me and giz had a laugh about that, he messaged me and said he got banned because he was voicing his opinion on the core mechanics and the fanboys told him go back to MAG, last time i voiced my concerns there on core mechanics i got told to go back to a game i hate.....cod....so yea alot of fanboyism and ignorance at times on the IRC. Used to be there alot now i rarely stop by, waste of my time because anyone can see its mainly EVE centric ppl that congregate there and anytime u try to have a discussion from a console FPS perspective on what works for FPS and what works for the console community WHICH TBQH alot of them have zero to limited knowledge on since they dont have the in depth console community experience with how different communities on console work If all the info is being posted on IRC why even have forums? might as well lock the entire forum and be done with it. Got ppl in there sayin tanks are OK and AV nerf was fine when i was in there yesterday....my face was quickly introduced to my desk.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:24:00 - [26] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: I want the info I don't want to hav to use some ***** third party chat room to get it. Don't need to listen to a bunch of kittens in IRC argue about random crap or post their tank boosted KDR, I would rather that the info was given in the IRC AS WELL AS posted here, I would also like the weekly feedback thread others are suggesting. Its just complicating things, make these forums the focus and streamline it all. Also the IRC is owned by a third party, its biased, my alliance mate got into a heated argument and then was banned from the channel because the mods didn't agree with him. I dont need that crap, its a joke. If its gizmo then yea me and giz had a laugh about that, he messaged me and said he got banned because he was voicing his opinion on the core mechanics and the fanboys told him go back to MAG, last time i voiced my concerns there on core mechanics i got told to go back to a game i hate.....cod....so yea alot of fanboyism and ignorance at times on the IRC. Used to be there alot now i rarely stop by, waste of my time because anyone can see its mainly EVE centric ppl that congregate there and anytime u try to have a discussion from a console FPS perspective on what works for FPS and what works for the console community WHICH TBQH alot of them have zero to limited knowledge on since they dont have the in depth console community experience with how different communities on console work If all the info is being posted on IRC why even have forums? might as well lock the entire forum and be done with it. Got ppl in there sayin tanks are OK and AV nerf was fine when i was in there yesterday....my face was quickly introduced to my desk. There you go If you dont fit in or agree with the mods then you get banned, it is clearly biased and not the best place for CCP to get feedback on a game in development At least with these forums everyone who has the beta can have a say and express ther opionion even if its shot down Cut out the IRC tbh and give use the info on a sticky thread is all we ask so we dont get it twisted by some hack on an IRC
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.09.01 16:26:00 - [27] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: I want the info I don't want to hav to use some ***** third party chat room to get it. Don't need to listen to a bunch of kittens in IRC argue about random crap or post their tank boosted KDR, I would rather that the info was given in the IRC AS WELL AS posted here, I would also like the weekly feedback thread others are suggesting. Its just complicating things, make these forums the focus and streamline it all. Also the IRC is owned by a third party, its biased, my alliance mate got into a heated argument and then was banned from the channel because the mods didn't agree with him. I dont need that crap, its a joke. If its gizmo then yea me and giz had a laugh about that, he messaged me and said he got banned because he was voicing his opinion on the core mechanics and the fanboys told him go back to MAG, last time i voiced my concerns there on core mechanics i got told to go back to a game i hate.....cod....so yea alot of fanboyism and ignorance at times on the IRC. Used to be there alot now i rarely stop by, waste of my time because anyone can see its mainly EVE centric ppl that congregate there and anytime u try to have a discussion from a console FPS perspective on what works for FPS and what works for the console community WHICH TBQH alot of them have zero to limited knowledge on since they dont have the in depth console community experience with how different communities on console work If all the info is being posted on IRC why even have forums? might as well lock the entire forum and be done with it. Got ppl in there sayin tanks are OK and AV nerf was fine when i was in there yesterday....my face was quickly introduced to my desk. There you go If you dont fit in or agree with the mods then you get banned, it is clearly biased and not the best place for CCP to get feedback on a game in development At least with these forums everyone who has the beta can have a say and express ther opionion even if its shot down Cut out the IRC tbh and give use the info on a sticky thread is all we ask so we dont get it twisted by some hack on an IRC This is real feedback CCP; its honestly gold.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:04:00 - [28] - Quote Well. IRC is a picky place, we did have a 'rude' questioner last night it wouldnt surprise me if he got a stern talking to by the channel moderators. The question and tone he asked is along the lines of the deleted forum threads come across usually. Alot of vitrol and undeserving welping. Condencending questions are usually not welcomed during the QnA and espeically when there is an offical CCP forum post already covering the question too. I can see why they're not welcomed either, ccp q and a session was taking time out of thier lunch break to pop in and say hi, sometimes they just talk and shoot the wind and post cat pictures, sometimes they ask how is the game for us today (which we all generally respond breaking as usual) If it turned into an exact mirror of the forums for QnA I can see CCP stopping entirely. As for that a shout out to Grideris for being a good channel moderator and keeping the place 'civil' In the end not a single IRCer is obligated to relay the information. I specifically choose not to direct quote either for various reasons alot of people are proving. I just felt that its rather unfair for IRC events to happen with not everyone present or awake even (this q an a was 2am my time zone) and only those there would know what happened.
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:14:00 - [29] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: I want the info I don't want to hav to use some ***** third party chat room to get it. Don't need to listen to a bunch of kittens in IRC argue about random crap or post their tank boosted KDR, I would rather that the info was given in the IRC AS WELL AS posted here, I would also like the weekly feedback thread others are suggesting. Its just complicating things, make these forums the focus and streamline it all. Also the IRC is owned by a third party, its biased, my alliance mate got into a heated argument and then was banned from the channel because the mods didn't agree with him. I dont need that crap, its a joke. It's a joke. +1
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.09.01 17:14:00 - [30] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: I want the info I don't want to hav to use some ***** third party chat room to get it. Don't need to listen to a bunch of kittens in IRC argue about random crap or post their tank boosted KDR, I would rather that the info was given in the IRC AS WELL AS posted here, I would also like the weekly feedback thread others are suggesting. Its just complicating things, make these forums the focus and streamline it all. Also the IRC is owned by a third party, its biased, my alliance mate got into a heated argument and then was banned from the channel because the mods didn't agree with him. I dont need that crap, its a joke. If its gizmo then yea me and giz had a laugh about that, he messaged me and said he got banned because he was voicing his opinion on the core mechanics and the fanboys told him go back to MAG, last time i voiced my concerns there on core mechanics i got told to go back to a game i hate.....cod....so yea alot of fanboyism and ignorance at times on the IRC. Used to be there alot now i rarely stop by, waste of my time because anyone can see its mainly EVE centric ppl that congregate there and anytime u try to have a discussion from a console FPS perspective on what works for FPS and what works for the console community WHICH TBQH alot of them have zero to limited knowledge on since they dont have the in depth console community experience with how different communities on console work If all the info is being posted on IRC why even have forums? might as well lock the entire forum and be done with it. Got ppl in there sayin tanks are OK and AV nerf was fine when i was in there yesterday....my face was quickly introduced to my desk. Bingo!



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