DUST Search - Why the IRC?

Rorek IronBlood wrote:

Look I just want to point out that I do apreciate the few individuals whom take the time to do CCP's job and properly relay the information back to the mass majority here. I do, and I think it's kind of you few to do so, but I have to continuesly point out how horrible it is that CCP is unwilling to amend the situation or properly afford the time to relay the information officially themselves. As I have said in the past and again recently before this in another thread -- by the time they relay the information officially we've had a couple weeks and several long threads to discuss the current affairs ourselves here on the forums. To me that is **** poor, and a lack of professionalism. They can use whatever tools they want, but if you are not going to recognize how inept they are at communicating properly to the majority of us then you need to pull your head out of their arse. I'm not saying they are not good developers. I just think they drop the ball when it comes to the things that matter most when it involves a game beyond code. It's not a wonder why so many EVE Online players over the last near decade (now) get upset. They do not talk. They just sort of let you know at the last minute and let you get hit in the face with what they did.

If you wanna talk about using the proper tools the IRC aside the forums, and e-mail are their biggest tools to letting the mass majority know what is going on. Especially since they have all of e-mail adresses, and a proper forum for which to post proper documentation, and information. The IRC to me is like twitter.. It should never be taken seriously, or used seriously for real information. Again I thank the few community individuals for relaying and posting what they get out of CCP themselves, but the fact remains that CCP is lackluster when it comes to communicating. If you judge a resturant based on the whole from food, to staff, and service; or an NFL team based on the players, and how they play together, and how their coach communicates, and properly supports his players; then I digress to the fact that CCP needs to work on this area especially.

Whatever.. I just needed to speak my mind. Not that it does any good. Just another dead beaten horse to throw to the mound with the rest. Sad really.

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Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.02 23:34:00 - [121] - Quote Thank you. Anyways I really really do hope post beta launching the two community managers will have much more time hanging out with us in the fourms at least. It also wouldnt hurt if we got more dev blogs as well.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.09.03 00:45:00 - [122] - Quote Could someone on IRC let the devs know tanks could use a little more HP and a dmg buff to infantry. Thanks.
Shadoe Wolf Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.09.03 02:12:00 - [123] - Quote I for one do appreciate the relay of information. That's alot of work to keep track of all that info, cut, paste, whatever and relay it here. Iron Wolf Saber and whoever else does this work, good job, keep at it. I would also like to see official information posted here on the forums as others have stated. I know CCP reads the forums and does interact with people on here, especially Unicorn. I would like to see something to the affect of what is known, what is being worked on, what plans you guys have. Yes, some things need to be kept secret, should be left for a surprise, but just a heads up, a taste of whats to come, would alleviate and satisfy. I do hop into IRC periodically, when I remember too, but I never seem to jump in at the right times. Any times in particular that are good to be in? I am also in beta for another game, by Sony. Guess what it is! Those forums stay lit up. Twitter stays pretty active as well. I don't expect constant interaction. I know this stuff is hard work. Just a sticky from time to time would go a long way. Thanks again for all the Relayers and CCP's work on the forums.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.03 03:04:00 - [124] - Quote Speaking about devs communicating Devs need your help here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=286191#post286191 this is something beyond IRC voulenteer capabilities.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.09.03 12:57:00 - [125] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Could someone on IRC let the devs know tanks could use a little more HP and a dmg buff to infantry. Thanks. They prob already did tbh Someone say make HAVs a 20x + skill instead
Kengfa 138	Posted - 2012.09.03 13:05:00 - [126] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Could someone on IRC let the devs know tanks could use a little more HP and a dmg buff to infantry. Thanks. They prob already did tbh Someone say make HAVs a 20x + skill instead I already said make HAV's a 64x skill. i don't think they'll listen to that, but maybe they will raise it. I also suggested a 100 mil - 200 mil price range.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.09.03 14:12:00 - [127] - Quote Kengfa wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Could someone on IRC let the devs know tanks could use a little more HP and a dmg buff to infantry. Thanks. They prob already did tbh Someone say make HAVs a 20x + skill instead I already said make HAV's a 64x skill. i don't think they'll listen to that, but maybe they will raise it. I also suggested a 100 mil - 200 mil price range. What? Are you crazy? 100-200 million ISK for a tank? Please sober up.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.09.03 14:25:00 - [128] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well if I am going to keep getting threads like this every time I relay the information I am going to stop posting them. I am trying to gather questions for next time and all you guys do is complain that you cant get into IRC, well if you cant get into IRC when it be time ore technical reasons give the information and questions to people who can. That is just it, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO! Instead of letting the players GUESS where and when things and information happens, in a CLOSED beta, the DEVS should grow the kitten up and USE the media they them selves told us WE must use. THE FORUMS!
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.03 14:29:00 - [129] - Quote Dewie Cheecham wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well if I am going to keep getting threads like this every time I relay the information I am going to stop posting them. I am trying to gather questions for next time and all you guys do is complain that you cant get into IRC, well if you cant get into IRC when it be time ore technical reasons give the information and questions to people who can. That is just it, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO! Instead of letting the players GUESS where and when things and information happens, in a CLOSED beta, the DEVS should grow the kitten up and USE the media they them selves told us WE must use. THE FORUMS! Last night's session was less than 3 minutes long and the guy left mid question to handel a server issue. I dont think he had time to forum post. He didnt come back until 2 hours later. Also if I am saying something they dont like a delete and ban button for them is only a few clicks away.
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 360	Posted - 2012.09.03 14:55:00 - [130] - Quote his return message was all of they restarted the server, then he left again

Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.03 16:13:00 - [131] - Quote Dewie Cheecham wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well if I am going to keep getting threads like this every time I relay the information I am going to stop posting them. I am trying to gather questions for next time and all you guys do is complain that you cant get into IRC, well if you cant get into IRC when it be time ore technical reasons give the information and questions to people who can. That is just it, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO! Instead of letting the players GUESS where and when things and information happens, in a CLOSED beta, the DEVS should grow the kitten up and USE the media they them selves told us WE must use. THE FORUMS! Why have i added you to my contacts list? I can't work it out, are you from SA? or GF.COM?
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.09.03 16:51:00 - [132] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Why have i added you to my contacts list? I can't work it out, are you from SA? or GF.COM? I have no idea. And it is besides the point here.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.09.03 17:59:00 - [133] - Quote Look I just want to point out that I do apreciate the few individuals whom take the time to do CCP's job and properly relay the information back to the mass majority here. I do, and I think it's kind of you few to do so, but I have to continuesly point out how horrible it is that CCP is unwilling to amend the situation or properly afford the time to relay the information officially themselves. As I have said in the past and again recently before this in another thread -- by the time they relay the information officially we've had a couple weeks and several long threads to discuss the current affairs ourselves here on the forums. To me that is ** poor, and a lack of professionalism. They can use whatever tools they want, but if you are not going to recognize how inept they are at communicating properly to the majority of us then you need to pull your head out of their arse. I'm not saying they are not good developers. I just think they drop the ball when it comes to the things that matter most when it involves a game beyond code. It's not a wonder why so many EVE Online players over the last near decade (now) get upset. They do not talk. They just sort of let you know at the last minute and let you get hit in the face with what they did. If you wanna talk about using the proper tools the IRC aside the forums, and e-mail are their biggest tools to letting the mass majority know what is going on. Especially since they have all of e-mail adresses, and a proper forum for which to post proper documentation, and information. The IRC to me is like twitter.. It should never be taken seriously, or used seriously for real information. Again I thank the few community individuals for relaying and posting what they get out of CCP themselves, but the fact remains that CCP is lackluster when it comes to communicating. If you judge a resturant based on the whole from food, to staff, and service; or an NFL team based on the players, and how they play together, and how their coach communicates**, and properly supports his players; then I digress to the fact that CCP needs to work on this area especially. Whatever.. I just needed to speak my mind. Not that it does any good. Just another dead beaten horse to throw to the mound with the rest. Sad really.
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.03 18:21:00 - [134] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Look I just want to point out that I do apreciate the few individuals whom take the time to do CCP's job and properly relay the information back to the mass majority here. I do, and I think it's kind of you few to do so, but I have to continuesly point out how horrible it is that CCP is unwilling to amend the situation or properly afford the time to relay the information officially themselves. As I have said in the past and again recently before this in another thread -- by the time they relay the information officially we've had a couple weeks and several long threads to discuss the current affairs ourselves here on the forums. To me that is ** poor, and a lack of professionalism. They can use whatever tools they want, but if you are not going to recognize how inept they are at communicating properly to the majority of us then you need to pull your head out of their arse. I'm not saying they are not good developers. I just think they drop the ball when it comes to the things that matter most when it involves a game beyond code. It's not a wonder why so many EVE Online players over the last near decade (now) get upset. They do not talk. They just sort of let you know at the last minute and let you get hit in the face with what they did. If you wanna talk about using the proper tools the IRC aside the forums, and e-mail are their biggest tools to letting the mass majority know what is going on. Especially since they have all of e-mail adresses, and a proper forum for which to post proper documentation, and information. The IRC to me is like twitter.. It should never be taken seriously, or used seriously for real information. Again I thank the few community individuals for relaying and posting what they get out of CCP themselves, but the fact remains that CCP is lackluster when it comes to communicating. If you judge a resturant based on the whole from food, to staff, and service; or an NFL team based on the players, and how they play together, and how their coach communicates**, and properly supports his players; then I digress to the fact that CCP needs to work on this area especially. Whatever.. I just needed to speak my mind. Not that it does any good. Just another dead beaten horse to throw to the mound with the rest. Sad really. I wish my crappy posts had come across like this, as this is how it was meant
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.03 18:51:00 - [135] - Quote Dewie Cheecham wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Why have i added you to my contacts list? I can't work it out, are you from SA? or GF.COM? I have no idea. And it is besides the point here. So you're not a goon? maybe a member of HBC?... I'm trying to work out why i added such a massive shitposter on my contacts list. Your posting is really, really, really bad.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.03 18:57:00 - [136] - Quote Email isnt that good I rarely check my psn one as its the spam mail.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 787	Posted - 2012.09.03 20:10:00 - [137] - Quote I haven't stuck my nose in these threads yet so... Let's try to clear something up. The only reason devs come to IRC is for idle chat because they think their players are awesome and they love to talk to us. The IRC is easily accessible for anyone who wants to chat, and I encourage everyone to join, because the playerbase for dust in general is just -awesome- That said, I can count on one hand the instances where they have had CmdrWang and Frame come to IRC and have a chat with players saying "We're gonna do X, what do you guys think?" or something along those lines. The most recent was when they told us about an upcoming experiment they would like to try, making all militia items BPCs with the exception of anything on the starter fits. Players were in vehement opposition to this change and the community team was summoned to hear their concern about it. The majority of information that people on IRC get are often something as simple as one of them saying "So guys I'm on break, but I just wanted to tell you that these guns I'm working on are gonna be sweet. Here's the basic idea of how they'll work..." etc. It is by no means as if we get spoonfed new information about the game daily, snickering at all the 'inferior forum plebs' someone earlier mentioned in the thread. Like said early in my post. As far as CCP presence in the IRC goes, They're mostly just there to hang out and chat. If the conversation happens to steer towards dust and the future, sometimes we can glean cool hints, which then get passed onto the forums by any of the couple hundred people who frequent IRC. I do find it kind of amusing that people only blew up at Ironwolf for this though, considering how many people pass on information from IRC. But seriously... It's nothing to get upset about. If you want the chance to talk to/rickroll/creep out the devs, just join the IRC. If you can't be bothered, you really have no business being upset that you're missing out on anything said there. It's not like it is an exclusive club, anyone in the beta can get in. Anyone not willing to make that effort just has no ground to stand on when trying to protest it. IRC has a hundred or so people at any given time, and around 300 people overall who visit. Join us!
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.03 20:33:00 - [138] - Quote well I was the one who got out on the road to get ran over. instead of just saying I heard from irc that...
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.09.03 20:59:00 - [139] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: well I was the one who got out on the road to get ran over. instead of just saying I heard from irc that... I'm not crucifying you, Iron Wolf Saber. I'm not. I'm upset at CCP -- simple as that. All that has been proven to me though is that IRC is clunky, out of the way, time consuming to get to, and oh yeah.. It's bloody twitter. They need to get some priorities straight, and use the people they pay instead of relying on word of mouth from a twitter chat box to hear. Now do not get me wrong. Atleast someone cares enough to actually do CCP's damn job for them. I have thank you personally several times infact, Iron Wolf Saber, and I still do. You and the few others provide us with more information monthly then CCP. That though is pathetic when you think about it.. You are essentially doing someone elses job whom is paid to do these things. People lay excuses all they want on CCP, but at the end of the day it falls on them. As for the IRC itself? It's twitter, hard to get to without the right information or someone kind enough to help you out in finding the proper links, and stickies. Then you have to consider that most business servers, and/or schools are not going allow the IRC. Prohibiting the IRC entirely. Infact I've had to go through proxy sites, and servers to get on here when at work, or on another county, state, business server. It's not a convenient place to get to like the forums here were. Beyond that not many people enjoy IM, or twitter.. Okay let me amend that. Outside of tweens for the most part most people do not enjoy twitter. I mean back in my day we did not have these fancy forums. We had a primitive BBS (Bulletin Board System) and that was it on the net. Chat rooms, and forums evolved from that primordial ooze. Just saying the forums here cover the most people outside of e-mailing us -- they do have all of our e-mails -- and is more convenient and recognized as an official channel over the IRC. Which I believe is what? Third party by C3? So do not get me wrong. I am grateful to those willing to put up with the IRC, the inconvenience, and act as a sort of suedo popparatzi relaying information as best they can, but man defending CCP when they clearly need to work on something is just asanine.
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.03 21:22:00 - [140] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: well I was the one who got out on the road to get ran over. instead of just saying I heard from irc that... Said I wouldn't post for a bit but feel the need to add this. I, and I feel most people on the forums are not angry at you mate, or the others who let us in what is said on the irc, we are disheartened by ccp and there lack of forum activity. It is they who should be getting it in the neck not you .

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.03 22:20:00 - [141] - Quote fenrir storm wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: well I was the one who got out on the road to get ran over. instead of just saying I heard from irc that... Said I wouldn't post for a bit but feel the need to add this. I, and I feel most people on the forums are not angry at you mate, or the others who let us in what is said on the irc, we are disheartened by ccp and there lack of forum activity. It is they who should be getting it in the neck not you . When you have poeple like Johnny August, Templar Two, and Pay two win constantly attacking me its easy to tint the colors on my shades.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.03 23:34:00 - [142] - Quote Well its much harder to be two people in IRC, they can ping you easily and or can tell if you are proxy boxing.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.04 00:33:00 - [143] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well its much harder to be two people in IRC, they can ping you easily and or can tell if you are proxy boxing. You should know you can't use logic and common sense on the forums by now.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.04 00:52:00 - [144] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well its much harder to be two people in IRC, they can ping you easily and or can tell if you are proxy boxing. You should know you can't use logic and common sense on the forums by now. Are bludgeons and hammers okay?
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.04 01:02:00 - [145] - Quote I think a lot of the population here is too stupid even for that to work.
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 360	Posted - 2012.09.04 08:12:00 - [146] - Quote Nova and Iron wolf are two different people
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.04 12:51:00 - [147] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: fenrir storm wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: well I was the one who got out on the road to get ran over. instead of just saying I heard from irc that... Said I wouldn't post for a bit but feel the need to add this. I, and I feel most people on the forums are not angry at you mate, or the others who let us in what is said on the irc, we are disheartened by ccp and there lack of forum activity. It is they who should be getting it in the neck not you . When you have poeple like Johnny August, Templar Two, and Pay two win constantly attacking me its easy to tint the colors on my shades. Old saying, don't shoot the mesenger but we always do when frustrated
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.04 12:54:00 - [148] - Quote <- This messenger is armed with the following: Sharp Tonge Vexxing Nature Entrapment Conversations Scatterbrain Evasion
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.04 13:00:00 - [149] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: <- This messenger is armed with the following: Sharp Tonge Vexxing Nature Entrapment Conversations Scatterbrain Evasion Sounds like my missus , for what it's worth cheers for trying to keep us informed. Plus it's a new day things may be on the up we got official response and thats all we wanted but keep plugging away at ccp keep them on there toes


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