I was SO excited about this for months, I thought it would combine MAG and Battlefield into one epic game, best of all it would be free so there'd never be a lack of players.. but after a few hours of really trying to like this game, it fails miserably. I LOVE the depth of the dropsuit customization system, the market place and all the other details that allow you to customize your character to your needs, the MMO influence from Eve Online really shows in this regard.. but at the end of the day it's the gameplay that completely and utterly ******* SUCKS! It feels like an extremely budget version of MAG and Section 8 Prejudice combined, except it feels even MORE cheap and budget (in fact I feel like getting back into both of those games right now)
The incredibly BLAND graphics, the lag, the multitude of weapons that all end up being small variations of eachother and all look and feel pretty much the same with minor RoF and damage attributes.. I could go on, but my point is, regardless of all the attention to detail in the customization, the game itself just simply licks the sweat off a dead donkey's dry salty ballsack.

It's no wonder they're charging $20 for the Mercenary Pack, because that's the most money they'll be able to extract from people who've yet to play the game. A majority of people will end up disgusted and only a small minority, even smaller than the niche gamers in MAG and S8P will stick with this game simply due to it being a free game and possibly out of pure boredom.

Unless the gameplay is seriously overhalled FROM SCRATCH, this game will fail within months of release. The ONLY thing that'll keep this game alive in the long term is the fact that it's free, which will entice the players with the absolute lowest of standards and that market alone.

I sincerely wanted this game to conquer and succeed, but the fact is the gameplay just ain't fun.. although it has the scope and potential to be, it SO does! that's why I'm so genuinely disappointed.

So from me, goodbye and good riddance.

/facepalm Seriously what do you people think the whole point of testing is ?!!!!!

You're right!

There's no way this OBVIOUS AND CLEARLY LABELED WORK IN PROGRESS can compete with AAA titles in its current state!

If I didn't know better, I'd almost suspect we're not playing the final release version of the game... OH WAIT.

WORK IN PROGRESS CLAP ClAP CLAP

Graphics make a game good? lolno look at BF3 and that pile of shite which is constantly getting patched and made worse where its a twitch shooter to the max and everything else is made of paper

Its the only FPS I gotz so I have nothing to compare it too but I'm loving it and cant wait till we have those long running skirmish maps that roll on from one objective to the next.

I was SO excited about this for months, I thought it would combine MAG and Battlefield into one epic game, best of all it would be free so there'd never be a lack of players.. but after a few hours of really trying to like this game, it fails miserably. I LOVE the depth of the dropsuit customization system, the market place and all the other details that allow you to customize your character to your needs, the MMO influence from Eve Online really shows in this regard.. but at the end of the day it's the gameplay that completely and utterly ******* SUCKS! It feels like an extremely budget version of MAG and Section 8 Prejudice combined, except it feels even MORE cheap and budget (in fact I feel like getting back into both of those games right now)
The incredibly BLAND graphics, the lag, the multitude of weapons that all end up being small variations of eachother and all look and feel pretty much the same with minor RoF and damage attributes.. I could go on, but my point is, regardless of all the attention to detail in the customization, the game itself just simply licks the sweat off a dead donkey's dry salty ballsack.

It's no wonder they're charging $20 for the Mercenary Pack, because that's the most money they'll be able to extract from people who've yet to play the game. A majority of people will end up disgusted and only a small minority, even smaller than the niche gamers in MAG and S8P will stick with this game simply due to it being a free game and possibly out of pure boredom. Once the final product releases on PSN, people will download, try it out and most will never touch it again. That's the single biggest reason they released the Mercenary pack, to milk all the eager and optimistic and people who like me, think this game has huge potential.

Unless the gameplay is seriously overhalled FROM SCRATCH, this game will fail within months of release. The ONLY thing that'll keep this game alive in the long term is the fact that it's free, which will entice the players with the absolute lowest of standards and that market alone.

I sincerely wanted this game to conquer and succeed, but the fact is the gameplay just ain't fun.. although it has the scope and potential to be, it SO does! that's why I'm so genuinely disappointed.

So from me, goodbye and good riddance.

the game itself just simply licks the sweat off a dead donkey's dry salty ballsack.

THIS is a perfect example of how I said in my first post that only the players with the absolute lowest of standards will be the ones still playing this in the long term, because they simply wouldn't know any better or just don't have any standards.


Seriously, stop taking this offensively, listen objectively, I'm trying to make a valid point that if taken seriously might improve the game. I'm not here to hurl random insults and mindless abuse, I do not troll.

..I saw Alpha footage of another game, which looked heaps better than this beta...

The incredibly BLAND graphics, the lag, the multitude of weapons that all end up being small variations of eachother and all look and feel pretty much the same with minor RoF and damage attributes.. I could go on, but my point is, regardless of all the attention to detail in the customization, the game itself just simply licks the sweat off a dead donkey's dry salty ballsack.

It's no wonder they're charging $20 for the Mercenary Pack, because that's the most money they'll be able to extract from people who've yet to play the game. A majority of people will end up disgusted and only a small minority, even smaller than the niche gamers in MAG and S8P will stick with this game simply due to it being a free game and possibly out of pure boredom. Once the final product releases on PSN, people will download, try it out and most will never touch it again. That's the single biggest reason they released the Mercenary pack, to milk all the eager and optimistic and people who like me, think this game has huge potential.

Unless the gameplay is seriously overhalled FROM SCRATCH, this game will fail within months of release. The ONLY thing that'll keep this game alive in the long term is the fact that it's free, which will entice the players with the absolute lowest of standards and that market alone.

this game will fail within months of release. The ONLY thing that'll keep this game alive in the long term is the fact that it's free

I was SO excited about this for months, I thought it would combine MAG and Battlefield into one epic game, best of all it would be free so there'd never be a lack of players.. but after a few hours of really trying to like this game, it fails miserably. I LOVE the depth of the dropsuit customization system, the market place and all the other details that allow you to customize your character to your needs, the MMO influence from Eve Online really shows in this regard.. but at the end of the day it's the gameplay that completely and utterly ******* SUCKS! It feels like an extremely budget version of MAG and Section 8 Prejudice combined, except it feels even MORE cheap and budget (in fact I feel like getting back into both of those games right now)

I sincerely wanted this game to conquer and succeed, but the fact is the gameplay just ain't fun.. although it has the scope and potential to be, it SO does! that's why I'm so genuinely disappointed.

So from me, goodbye and good riddance.

Lmao, look at all these fanboys.
When somebody says something bad, it's like a child responding with their hands over their ears, "NO NO, BETA, LA LA LA, DUST IS PERFECT."

+1 to OP.
Game won't change. Release will just have more skills and items.
Gameplay overhaul as Templar stated, is impossible. Partly because CCP don't know what they're doing, but mostly the moronic fanbase that enjoys half-assed mechanics already has a foothold.

hey moron the game is in its second build...what part of work in progress do you not understand???

Well first of all it's a closed beta not even open yet, the graphics have been downsized so that there is not a lot more to download, they have said that there would be different looking guns and actually I bought the Merc Pack after I played the beta weekend because I wanted to keep playing because I loved this game so much.
If you don't like the game that's fine, your're entitled to your opinion but how about you save it until the game is actually done and finished. Okay? Thank you.

You can go back to playing CoD with the other little kids and let the grownups play the real games. No one is being offensive except for you. You're complaining like this is a finished game but yet...it's not.

Lmao, look at all these fanboys.
When somebody says something bad, it's like a child responding with their hands over their ears, "NO NO, BETA, LA LA LA, DUST IS PERFECT."

+1 to OP.
Game won't change. Release will just have more skills and items.
Gameplay overhaul as Templar stated, is impossible. Partly because CCP don't know what they're doing, but mostly the moronic fanbase that enjoys half-assed mechanics already has a foothold.

the game itself just simply licks the sweat off a dead donkey's dry salty ballsack.

I

Read my 2nd post this time. Being in it's second build gives me even less faith, it shows that they're fully aware of what they've created. At this rate it'll take many MANY builds before this game is up to par.


Thanks Captain Obvious. It's not just an opinion, it's called constructive criticism, I think 90% of the people here don't understand that. I'm raising these points now BEFORE it is done because by then it'll be too late to overhaul the seriously flawed state it's in now.


LOL no one is being offensive? read all these posts, even YOU are calling me a "little kid." This is the mentality of people who cannot look at themselves honestly and acknowledge ANY form of constructive criticism, instead taking it way too personally.. sigh.

THIS

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hey moron the game is in its second build...what part of work in progress do you not understand???

I was SO excited about this for months...[stuff] So from me, goodbye and good riddance.

third actually

You just said "This game will fail, because it will succeed." If a game stays alive, it's economically sound. If a game is economically sound, that means it has succeeded.



Definition of BETA: You ask other people to test things REPETITIVELY so you can figure out what is broken or needs to be changed.

You're basically telling everyone here that you came and "didn't want to test things repetitively". Why in the world did you sign up for a BETA then? Seriously? You're complaining that YOU chose to do something. We are not being given everything at once, because they need a good quantity of data on the items they give us before they drop a new one on the field. That means we're going to be doing the same things over... and over... and over again.

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It's kind of like volunteering to work at a Zoo, then breaking down hysterically because there are too many people around you pointing at animals.

So instead of offering concise and construct ways to make the game better. You chose to offer non-sensical comparatives and throw your dummy out of the pram.

People who say they dislike a game then spend their time on that game's forums instead of doing something else with their lives make me larf.

Go play the massively still popular warhawk, then play the dust beta again.

Also how is the forge gun, pistol, rifle, sniper , and grenade launchers anything like each other?

Go play any AAA shooter and then come back to DUST

Naah, just go play any AAA shooter and don't come back at all.

Also can I have your stuff?

stroke me hard baby

I have been saying that Dust 514 needs to match the standard of other FPS and I was insulted as if being as good as the best FPS on the market is something to despise.

There's no need to be concise, I've made it clear it's the overall gameplay and shooting mechanics, the bulk of the game that needs addressing. And according to these other posts, others have already pointed out specifics but have been ignored.

This thread is just 1 clusterfuck with no constructive anything in it

Should let it die tbh

As long as you understand who's alpha and who's beta in this relationship.

That sums up what the forums have been like all morning. Nothing, but trolls, circle jerking, and other ignorant fools ranting, raging, and clogging up the forums.

Stupidity this morning is rampant.

HeZ HAz no gun game so all he do is type on ForumZ

No one is saying it's perfect. We're just saying don't complain about it as if it were released. If you truly thin the way you do then why are you here wasting our space? Just leave and be done with it. Constructive criticism is good but whining is childish. CCP didn't put up a sub-forum called Feedback/Requests for nothing.

Lmao, look at all these fanboys.
When somebody says something bad, it's like a child responding with their hands over their ears, "NO NO, BETA, LA LA LA, DUST IS PERFECT."

+1 to OP.
Game won't change. Release will just have more skills and items.
Gameplay overhaul as Templar stated, is impossible. Partly because CCP don't know what they're doing, but mostly the moronic fanbase that enjoys half-assed mechanics already has a foothold.

And therein lies the problem.
People can be constructive all they want, but the vocal players that already have an appreciation for inferiority will always reject criticism as invalid.

The majority of the people in beta don't go to these forums (thank god for that). They wanna play the game, see what it's all about and maybe have a little fun.

So, what do you experience when you first enter the game: instant death by all those with better gear and unclear tutorials about how the fitting and market system works. As a new player you are forced to run behind your team mates like a little lapdog or pray for a tank or decent fitted dropship to come by so you can become a gunner.

Basically, new players aren't allowed to have fun in this build. So ofcourse a lot of players decided to drop the game! The vast majority of the people who use this forum already have the sp to be able to kill people, and there are a lot of people who are too stupid to realise how frustrating it is for a newer player to get to this point!

Not only the big skill point gap, but the clunky gameplay and hit detection failing is a big turn off. I realise that this is a beta, but the game seriously needs to be a lot smoother when it comes out. I'm amazed that this game already has fanboys, but they're useless when it comes to giving feedback for the game.

So I hope CCP will keep this game in beta as long as possible untill the gameplay feels smooth and responsive. Releasing it in it's current state would be a death sentence.

Uh-huh. Okay troll. Say what you want. All I see is some pathetic tween with no life outside of what self gratification and validation he can get from flaunting, and stroking e-peen.

Your move, ma'am.

It is strange how people get chastised on these forums for pointing out flaws or dislikings with the game, regardless of being in beta or not. It's safe to assume we all want this game to succeed. Some are just less convinced that the game will actually be good unless some drastic changes are made, which is a perfectly valid opinion considering a 2012 release was stated, as far as i know the game has been in development since 2009, if this is the result of 4 years of development, that's more than a little concerning.

No It's rejected when all it is in name calling and premonitions of fail which is all the OP's post is.

Read my 2nd post in this thread, it's called caring about a game enough to come back and provide constructive criticism, something you've obviously never heard of or even considered.

This is the worst online FPS ever, seriously.

the gameplay that completely and utterly ******* SUCKS!

the game itself just simply licks the sweat off a dead donkey's dry salty ballsack.

I sincerely wanted this game to conquer and succeed, but the fact is the gameplay just ain't fun.. although it has the scope and potential to be, it SO does! that's why I'm so genuinely disappointed.

I was SO excited about this for months, I thought it would combine MAG and Battlefield into one epic game, best of all it would be free so there'd never be a lack of players.. but after a few hours of really trying to like this game, it fails miserably. I LOVE the depth of the dropsuit customization system, the market place and all the other details that allow you to customize your character to your needs, the MMO influence from Eve Online really shows in this regard.. but at the end of the day it's the gameplay that completely and utterly ******* SUCKS! It feels like an extremely budget version of MAG and Section 8 Prejudice combined, except it feels even MORE cheap and budget (in fact I feel like getting back into both of those games right now)
The incredibly BLAND graphics, the lag, the multitude of weapons that all end up being small variations of eachother and all look and feel pretty much the same with minor RoF and damage attributes.. I could go on, but my point is, regardless of all the attention to detail in the customization, the game itself just simply licks the sweat off a dead donkey's dry salty ballsack.

It's no wonder they're charging $20 for the Mercenary Pack, because that's the most money they'll be able to extract from people who've yet to play the game. A majority of people will end up disgusted and only a small minority, even smaller than the niche gamers in MAG and S8P will stick with this game simply due to it being a free game and possibly out of pure boredom. Once the final product releases on PSN, people will download, try it out and most will never touch it again. That's the single biggest reason they released the Mercenary pack, to milk all the eager and optimistic and people who like me, think this game has huge potential.

Unless the gameplay is seriously overhalled FROM SCRATCH, this game will fail within months of release. The ONLY thing that'll keep this game alive in the long term is the fact that it's free, which will entice the players with the absolute lowest of standards and that market alone.

I sincerely wanted this game to conquer and succeed, but the fact is the gameplay just ain't fun.. although it has the scope and potential to be, it SO does! that's why I'm so genuinely disappointed.

So from me, goodbye and good riddance.

*** Long Rant ***

CCP must not work weekends. How long is this ridiculous thread going to go before it's locked?

I promise you there are hundreds of threads with legitimate criticism and ideas to fix the game, that are buried 50 pages back.
All the developers will read is the first few pages, full of "DUST APPRECIATION", "GREAT JOB CCP, LOOKIN FORWARD TO IT" threads, which the silly players continue to reinforce, overlooking the big problems.

[ETC.....]
For example, any game running on console that desires to pack in infantry and vehicle combat with high player numbers in very large environments is unlikely to be pushing the graphical envelope in any way. I'm disappointed in the graphics myself, at present at least, but having played the game I can live with it. If you can't, fair enough, but at least realise some of the constraints behind the elements you object to.

let me redirect you to a good post that explains what CCP does
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=28858&find=unread

If you want to help out however keep leaving feedback on the things that are broken

So because it's a beta just assume everything will be fine. Because Dust will be the only MMOFPS.... Oh wait.... There's about 5 really good ones comming? Choices choices.
Dust is the obvious choice if you play EvE. Which is very few ps3 owners.

There is a difference you are forgetting.

The appreciative comments are the ones applauding progress. And there have been a lot of that.
But criticism comes in many forms, and the threads that want DUST to be more like other, old games, are generally not to be taken seriously at all. Not that DUST can't learn from their successes and failures, it should, but the entire foundation of DUST is just too alien for it to be like CoD, BF, Halo or other existing games.

DUST is the first FPS that have made me laugh, smile, frown and rage.
Inside a minute.

I was bored with CoD after an hour. An hour of really trying.

Nicely put. Good points and true. Despite that, the OP does have some valid points. Humans are emotional. It happens. Rather than discern the focus of the topic and discuss valid constructivism, the "supporters" only want to post about their blind love for this software, offering nothing to enrich the topic, only immaturity to degrade it. Here i'm contributing nothing as well, but wanted to commend a respectable post. More of which is needed to make some progress, for or against the game.

WORK IN PROGRESS CLAP ClAP CLAP

Graphics make a game good? lolno look at BF3 and that pile of shite which is constantly getting patched and made worse where its a twitch shooter to the max and everything else is made of paper

Its the only FPS I gotz so I have nothing to compare it too but I'm loving it and cant wait till we have those long running skirmish maps that roll on from one objective to the next.

I have a question: what makes you think guys that Dust 54 2ill become a completely different game without any of the issues we have now?

I have a question: what makes you think Dust 54 2ill become a completely different game without any of the issues we have now?

Dude look at eve the Very first build looks nothing like its current one, so chances are Dust will be the same.

We will have issues. Its pretty ignorant to think it wont. BUT.
Unlike other main stream shooters that may get a few purchasable download contents and a few bug fixes. Dust will receive full content patches roughly twice a year of its existence not including tweaks and bug patches being available as often as necessary.
It may not be a completely different game at release, but every year we can expect big changes to evolve it. Specially as it starts to interact with EvE more.

That's true, this game is gonna be HUGE...10 years from now.

you joke, but yeah it will still be around by then probs, unlike your fav BF or COD which cant last more than a few months

edit: and i should watch my tone, i have nothing against those games, i love em and play em too

'Yes BF3 does have a shitload of problems, but despite that at least the gameplay overall is SOLID and performs well, both on an infantry and vehicle aspect.'


How is BF3 solid gameplay its a twitch shooter with every gun having a stupid amount of recoil and patches which add recoil when you add a foregrip

Also vehicles suck since they are made out of paper and are useless after 1 hit by an RPG

Case in point http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EVEHistory/2000.06_Orion.jpg eve's first build.

Eve's current build http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kED11aGobUk

y
CCP does things their way and have been successful at it for YEARS. Dust is going to be so tied into EVE that it CANT flop.

im so lost whats so bad about gameplay ik everything i thought was wrong they promised to fix in next build i love the game idk why all of u complain about stuff and dont mention what u think is wrong and all this 180 talk confuses me cause the games not even close to bad enough to ever consider that and i own MW3 and BF3 and played plenty more shooters on the ps3 my trophy rank is lvl 20 and most come from shooters so ive had plenty of experience with judging gameplay and such

They aren't really comparable, though. EVE has had effectively no competition for what it does (space-based sandbox MMO), is on the PC, and has been funded by a monthly subscription. I have played EVE since the beginning and still do, but I honestly believe if they had any real competition for the first few years, the game never would have survived CCP's long long iteration procress and horrible bugs (google eve boot.ini issue for some lawls).

I was SO excited about this for months, I thought it would combine MAG and Battlefield into one epic game, best of all it would be free so there'd never be a lack of players.. but after a few hours of really trying to like this game, it fails miserably. I LOVE the depth of the dropsuit customization system, the market place and all the other details that allow you to customize your character to your needs, the MMO influence from Eve Online really shows in this regard.. but at the end of the day it's the gameplay that completely and utterly ******* SUCKS! It feels like an extremely budget version of MAG and Section 8 Prejudice combined, except it feels even MORE cheap and budget (in fact I feel like getting back into both of those games right now)
The incredibly BLAND graphics, the lag, the multitude of weapons that all end up being small variations of eachother and all look and feel pretty much the same with minor RoF and damage attributes.. I could go on, but my point is, regardless of all the attention to detail in the customization, the game itself just simply licks the sweat off a dead donkey's dry salty ballsack.

It's no wonder they're charging $20 for the Mercenary Pack, because that's the most money they'll be able to extract from people who've yet to play the game. A majority of people will end up disgusted and only a small minority, even smaller than the niche gamers in MAG and S8P will stick with this game simply due to it being a free game and possibly out of pure boredom. Once the final product releases on PSN, people will download, try it out and most will never touch it again. That's the single biggest reason they released the Mercenary pack, to milk all the eager and optimistic and people who like me, think this game has huge potential.

Unless the gameplay is seriously overhalled FROM SCRATCH, this game will fail within months of release. The ONLY thing that'll keep this game alive in the long term is the fact that it's free, which will entice the players with the absolute lowest of standards and that market alone.

I sincerely wanted this game to conquer and succeed, but the fact is the gameplay just ain't fun.. although it has the scope and potential to be, it SO does! that's why I'm so genuinely disappointed.

So from me, goodbye and good riddance.

I was SO excited about this for months, I thought it would combine MAG and Battlefield into one epic game, best of all it would be free so there'd never be a lack of players.. but after a few hours of really trying to like this game, it fails miserably. I LOVE the depth of the dropsuit customization system, the market place and all the other details that allow you to customize your character to your needs, the MMO influence from Eve Online really shows in this regard.. but at the end of the day it's the gameplay that completely and utterly ******* SUCKS! It feels like an extremely budget version of MAG and Section 8 Prejudice combined, except it feels even MORE cheap and budget (in fact I feel like getting back into both of those games right now)
The incredibly BLAND graphics, the lag, the multitude of weapons that all end up being small variations of eachother and all look and feel pretty much the same with minor RoF and damage attributes.. I could go on, but my point is, regardless of all the attention to detail in the customization, the game itself just simply licks the sweat off a dead donkey's dry salty ballsack.

It's no wonder they're charging $20 for the Mercenary Pack, because that's the most money they'll be able to extract from people who've yet to play the game. A majority of people will end up disgusted and only a small minority, even smaller than the niche gamers in MAG and S8P will stick with this game simply due to it being a free game and possibly out of pure boredom. Once the final product releases on PSN, people will download, try it out and most will never touch it again. That's the single biggest reason they released the Mercenary pack, to milk all the eager and optimistic and people who like me, think this game has huge potential.

Unless the gameplay is seriously overhalled FROM SCRATCH, this game will fail within months of release. The ONLY thing that'll keep this game alive in the long term is the fact that it's free, which will entice the players with the absolute lowest of standards and that market alone.

I sincerely wanted this game to conquer and succeed, but the fact is the gameplay just ain't fun.. although it has the scope and potential to be, it SO does! that's why I'm so genuinely disappointed.

So from me, goodbye and good riddance.

Graphics make a game good? lolno look at BF3 and that pile of shite which is constantly getting patched and made worse where its a twitch shooter to the max and everything else is made of paper

Also BETA WIP moron

Sony doesnt have control over patches

They dont have to go through Q&A

Its all CCP control

YES! 'clap clap clap' yourselves for reacting emotionally like butthurt fanboys and ignoring my point, instead jumping straight to the "but it's still in testing derp!" response.

Even BEFORE you get to the beta testing stage, the seriously terrible gameplay would've been ringing alarm bells in ANYONE who had any decent experience with FPSs in the alpha stage. I know what beta is, and by the beta stage they know exactly what they're doing, so to see such terrible gameplay mechanics at this stage of development either means they either have no faith in their product or they'll just slaving away to break into the FPS market to supplement their EVE universe. It honestly makes no sense how it can be this bad at this later stage of development.

Wrong.
Sony still have to give CCP certification.
Confirmed by Eurogamer.

Hit detection still needs work. The game still feels "clunky" and some actions feel sluggish or non-responsive.

But WHY settle for mediocrity? WHY settle for the lowest end of the market when you have a game with SO MUCH potential to rival even paid-for games like BF3 and MW3.. why sell your product short with all this potential?

I did not read all the comments but it's a ******* beta bro chill out. Those are the last things to be implemented.

Oh ya thanks for leaving.

can u explain deeper more specific examples


ik a few examples of things i dont like r the knives feel awful but im used to either them moving slow but one hit killing or fast so u can spam them but i really dont want a one hit kill knife unless its a melee weapon that specifically is used to destroy people like a giant hammer or sword or axe etc.

and crouching seems slow and un-crouching

[quote=Garrett Blacknova]You're right!

Seriously, stop taking this offensively, listen objectively, I'm trying to make a valid point that if taken seriously might improve the game. I'm not here to hurl random insults and mindless abuse, I do not troll.

Add module activation on vehicles to that list


none the less I am going to wait until august patch before I slap down another 101 things that annoy me in dust 514.

Sometimes you'll unload a clip into someone and see their shields flashing but they take little or no damage. The reload mechanics need work. Knifing is clunky. Crouch and sprint mechanics need looking into. Weapon switching, tool switching is problematic. Some times you have to press L1 multiple times to get REs to go off. Grenades just not firing. The grenade throw arc is WAY TOO HIGH. Grenade physics are weird. Draw distance is pitiful. Running a tank into a light post damages the tank . Terrain is unrefined and certain areas around hills will cause the player to get stuck. Too easy to get stuck on corners and stairs. Spawn locations are bugged. Numerous quality of life improvements needed. These are just a few issues off the top of my head. Voice comms are bugged. Numerous issues with voice comms tbh.

Agree with op! This is pretty terrible even for a work in progress beta. No amount of polish can fix this disaster by release. Sorry to upset u fanboys but this is just awful...beta or not.

There really needs to be a thread of known issues and complaints that is updated often and stickied at the top of both GPD and Bug/TS sub forums. No offense to the CR staff here at CCP, but trying to wade through all the posts of the last few days just to find your issue is annoying, even with the search button. It would also probably alleviate some of the nerd rage if people knew the CCP devs were aware of even the most trivial problems.

Agreed. CCP does need to afford the time to upload some form of documentation. Many of us have stated as such before.

Oh, and...graphics has nothing to do with it. U just cant fix bad gameplay.

Agree with op! This is pretty terrible even for a work in progress beta. No amount of polish can fix this disaster by release. Sorry to upset u fanboys but this is just awful...beta or not.

Haters need to realise that this is a beta, and they have time to fix things.

Fanboys need to realise there is a HELLUVA lot to fix...

They have months left to work on the game. It's supposed to release "sometime 2012". You're high if you think the state of the game now is a clear indication of how it'll be at release.

People always say this in betas but in my experience with betas (and its extensive), they are actually a pretty good indicator of the final product. The release is usually more polished and refined but basic gameplay is the same. Yet there are always people in beta forums spouting how the final will be so much better...they fool themselves.

At the current pace of development with a new build every 6 weeks or so, we will probably see 4 more builds before this game gets launched. that's a lot of development effort to fix / polish things off. you guys just need to calm the F down. go play something else if the glitches/bugs annoy you that much. come back for the next build.

but hating on the game and developers and saying that this game will be failure is just LOL stupid..

Lmao, look at all these fanboys.
When somebody says something bad, it's like a child responding with their hands over their ears, "NO NO, BETA, LA LA LA, DUST IS PERFECT."

Its not glitches and bugs thats the problem. Those things are expected in beta. Its not the fact that it needs more polish its the core gameplay thats boring and just plain terrible...they c+ánt fix that without a complete rebuild.

Those of u waiting for some big spectacular changes by release are holding onto false hope. This is the core game and only minor improvements will be made by release. Polish and fixed bugs dont improve the core gameplay. The game is boring and thats not going to change...no matter how much we wish for it.

Did you beta eve online?

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=26144&find=unread here is my current list of complaints, I only expect a quater of these to be fixed mostly the more serious ones that are counter fun.

I think ccp is a bit more busy getting the game up and going, I mean seriously if you look at 'dev' posts between eve and dust 514, you see more GMs posting here answering questions about game development than the devs are posting. I wonder how they're indrontinating ex-Dice people at CCP to listen to players and possibly talk to them?

BTW Eve online getting software updated on august 8th it wouldnt surprise me if dust 514 does it the same day while everyone is upped up on energy drinks in prepration for patchday gone wrong.

LOL

Face it, people, that if the game fails on ps3 its headed to PC where it won't fail.....CCP must have an out of exclusive clause with Sony which can be exercised after a period of time if numbers and revenue miss the projected targets.....

The game will go on, it may be that the game is too deep, mature and complex for console gamers....

The game play in this build can get boring, but I must say I have enjoyed my time on the Asian server so far. It is funny how when hit detection works and lag reduces, that the game becomes more playable despite the obvious issues on the current skirmish map.

This isnt EVE online...its a PS3 fps. And its terrible! Maybe u EvE players are happy with boring...I prefer action and excitement in my shooters.

Good eye on the EVE Online side. That would be neat to see if they happen to release both updates around or on the same date. However in terms of GM to DEV -- Usually they are both under the same roof. Just different departments. What needs to happen in this case is internal communication so that GM (General Managment) can cordinate, talk, and respond to us. Communication is always an essential and intregal part, or form. We the players could use some communication. It would at the very least help relieve some stress within the community.

Yet eve online's beta wasnt like any other pc's betas either for an mmo. There was only 2 factions and like 90 star sytems. Hell there was a ship in it that like never made it in that I acutally liked (it looked like a sunfish) Heck Null sec didnt exit, tutorials didnt exist (well after launch) lots and lots of things in eve didnt exist back then, like battleships.

The thing is the beta from eve looks a hell lot like dust 514s in terms of progress, how things work, how updates are made, how feedback is treated and how the much of the game shaped by the testers.

Its not glitches and bugs thats the problem. Those things are expected in beta. Its not the fact that it needs more polish its the core gameplay thats boring and just plain terrible...they c+ánt fix that without a complete rebuild.

Those of u waiting for some big spectacular changes by release are holding onto false hope. This is the core game and only minor improvements will be made by release. Polish and fixed bugs dont improve the core gameplay. The game is boring and thats not going to change...no matter how much we wish for it.

Off topic, but was wondering if you happened to be a Stargate fan or a fan of another Sci-fi series? Loved the Alteran ships.

Enjoyed the following: Bablyon 5 first few seasons, Battlestar Galactia - TNS but season 3 was boring, Star Trek Next Gen, Voyager, Enterprise. Robotech/Macross, Macross +, Macross 2, Macross Zero, Macross Frontier, Adromeda, Martian Successor Nedesco, Slowly getting into Starblazers but its really dated and hard to appreciate. Bookwise only appreciated Honor Harrigton Series lately.

On that note Star Trek is a love/hate relationship : I applaud thier social interactions a bit, I boo thier military (or lack therfore of) mindedness.

I got hopes for dust, I just fear not everyone has the paitence to deal with ccp's pacing at times and thier odd knack for pushing back features to make room another feature made it in right.

I do see ccp focusing on at least getting the following down by launch as its thier crieteria

Hammering out gun play
Hammering out controls
Hammering out phsyics
Getting Factional Wafare Functional
Getting Social and Corproate Functional

From there they have a bare bones launch game and from there they can keep adding stuff in.

That's why DS9 was my favorite. Sisko wasn't afraid to get dirty to save the Federation.

People who say they dislike a game then spend their time on that game's forums instead of doing something else with their lives make me larf.

Not all criticisms want a game to be like CoD or BF, or MoH, or any others. I wanted to like this game because it was different. I'm great at CoD, good at BF3, was great a Homefront..... I wanted this game because it was different and I wanted it to be. We don't need more of the same. There will be more CoD and more BF no question. My qualms with the game are all gameplay related. Not graphics, not because there's no throwing knives or killstreaks, or anything else. There are valid points for and against the game, for me the pros don't outweigh the cons. And these forums are for those who have tested this product to voice their opinions. Not to voice there opinions on a finished product but to voice their opinions on a beta. So then why are people upset because other people have an opinion on a beta?

A lot of fans of Star Trek dislikes how gritty, and dark Star Trek: Deep Space Nine was, but I loved it! Netflix allowed me to finally watch all episodes start to finish, and it was even better. Also (The) Sisco, disliked Picard greatly. More so then anything for what he did as a borg (Lacutest of Borg). Still after going back and watching every series I enjoyed it the most next to Star Trek: The Original Series. The military aspect of Star Trek was also best in those two series. I loved the stories though, and as pointed out before the character dialogue and progression.

The EVE stuff is great. I love the customization to it. Making the perfect setup, having limited funds, potential to hookup with EVE, etc. The actual game play (you know, shooting stuff) should be much better for a game 3 years into development. It's going to be at least a year after release till it's in a really playable state.

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The EVE stuff is great. I love the customization to it. Making the perfect setup, having limited funds, potential to hookup with EVE, etc. The actual game play (you know, shooting stuff) should be much better for a game 3 years into development. It's going to be at least a year after release till it's in a really playable state.

How far off topic can this thread go?
We are placing bets.
1 million ISK says this thread is locked for off-topic by 1200 GMT tomorrow.

I'll admit I was off topic for a number of posts. I somewhat apologise for it, but really the conversation was much better anyway then what this thread was trying to do -- stir and rile and vex the people. Even if the original poster's intentions were genuine and meant for a better they nonetheless came off as someone just offering nothing more then insults towards the game, and the developers. I saw very little constructive criticism in way of conversation towards the topic at hand.

We all understand the game is far from complete, or perfect. The divide however is in how people seem to act. We're not fanboys, or blind to the problems. Some of us are just more patient, and understanding. Willing to wait and see as we fulfill our duty as [beta] testers as best we can. By being civil and calmly voicing our concerns and opinions in a rational manner. This thread was anything, but that. However it only got worse from there on both sides. Especially in terms of name calling, judging, and throwing accusations at one another.

Calling someone a fanboy is childish. The problem there is that I believe both sides want to better the game just going about in two very different ways. One side is about being as loud and obnoxious as possible while being unable to wait, and then you have us who come off (maybe) as if we are blind to the situation, but we're not. we do say what we want, and what we feel is wrong. We're just more calm about it. This however does account for everyone on either side. Some people are trying troll the forums as best to their ability, and do not care for the game's well being, and some are blind to the problem. Not because, they are a fanboy or anything, but more likely because, they may feel it's not so bad or not worth noting at the very least.

Anyway.... Sorr for babling somewhat, but I just figured I'd throw some input out there on the matter of communication problems. Though as I stated in the past it would help to see some proper documentation from GM, or the DEV's. Even just enough to lessen the tension on here.

Don't apologize to these assholes. This thread's OP was about as far from constructive as it could possibly be. It might as well be full of Fantasy Football picks from 3 seasons ago.

It amazes me that people are trolling these forums. This is a Beta, we are here to help CCP. If you aren't helping, you guys should leave.

Ye id rarther take the word of ccp rarther than a mag tbh