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JaZZa01
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.07.29 15:52:00 -
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Grizl Takus wrote:JaZZa01 wrote:Sojuro Ryo wrote:JaZZa01 wrote:Lmao, look at all these fanboys. When somebody says something bad, it's like a child responding with their hands over their ears, "NO NO, BETA, LA LA LA, DUST IS PERFECT."
+1 to OP. Game won't change. Release will just have more skills and items. Gameplay overhaul as Templar stated, is impossible. Partly because CCP don't know what they're doing, but mostly the moronic fanbase that enjoys half-assed mechanics already has a foothold. No one is saying it's perfect. We're just saying don't complain about it as if it were released. If you truly thin the way you do then why are you here wasting our space? Just leave and be done with it. Constructive criticism is good but whining is childish. CCP didn't put up a sub-forum called Feedback/Requests for nothing. And therein lies the problem. People can be constructive all they want, but the vocal players that already have an appreciation for inferiority will always reject criticism as invalid. No It's rejected when all it is in name calling and premonitions of fail which is all the OP's post is. I promise you there are hundreds of threads with legitimate criticism and ideas to fix the game, that are buried 50 pages back. All the developers will read is the first few pages, full of "DUST APPRECIATION", "GREAT JOB CCP, LOOKIN FORWARD TO IT" threads, which the silly players continue to reinforce, overlooking the big problems. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.07.29 15:52:00 -
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Look at all these spoiled brats that think that beta=early demo/balance stage.
First off this is CCP, its not a real beta, its an alpha. Beta starts on launch day (no seriously it does with the way ccp does things)
Secondly Dust 514 will never stop improving even after launch so even if its not perfect gun play you can still expect improvments.
Bottom line we're only about 5% of possible launch features online, August release is probably going to turn alot of things on that just bug the hell out of the game. Right now it seems they're focusin on foundationing making sure things work and turning more stuff on and getting background server magic to work as well. |
Chihiro Itto
66
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Posted - 2012.07.29 15:53:00 -
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Vicx V wrote:Read my 2nd post in this thread, it's called caring about a game enough to come back and provide constructive criticism, something you've obviously never heard of or even considered. That might be a fair point, but I'd hardly call this:
Quote:This is the worst online FPS ever, seriously. this:
Quote:the gameplay that completely and utterly ******* SUCKS! or this:
Quote: the game itself just simply licks the sweat off a dead donkey's dry salty ballsack. ...constructive. A less emotional rant might have headed in that direction, no? You did close more reasonably:
Quote:I sincerely wanted this game to conquer and succeed, but the fact is the gameplay just ain't fun.. although it has the scope and potential to be, it SO does! that's why I'm so genuinely disappointed.
...but after the previous rant it's a less than convincing statement. I actually believe that part, and my initial statement was only partially aimed at this thread, but if you want people to reply to your views - positive or negative - maybe you should temper your outbursts with a little objectivity huh?
For example, any game running on console that desires to pack in infantry and vehicle combat with high player numbers in very large environments is unlikely to be pushing the graphical envelope in any way. I'm disappointed in the graphics myself, at present at least, but having played the game I can live with it. If you can't, fair enough, but at least realise some of the constraints behind the elements you object to. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.29 15:56:00 -
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Yes because crying like a ***** will make the developers take notice in general discussion of all places where most of the threads are generally shite tbh and its just for trolling
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Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2012.07.29 16:17:00 -
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Vicx V wrote:I was SO excited about this for months, I thought it would combine MAG and Battlefield into one epic game, best of all it would be free so there'd never be a lack of players.. but after a few hours of really trying to like this game, it fails miserably. I LOVE the depth of the dropsuit customization system, the market place and all the other details that allow you to customize your character to your needs, the MMO influence from Eve Online really shows in this regard.. but at the end of the day it's the gameplay that completely and utterly ******* SUCKS! It feels like an extremely budget version of MAG and Section 8 Prejudice combined, except it feels even MORE cheap and budget (in fact I feel like getting back into both of those games right now) The incredibly BLAND graphics, the lag, the multitude of weapons that all end up being small variations of eachother and all look and feel pretty much the same with minor RoF and damage attributes.. I could go on, but my point is, regardless of all the attention to detail in the customization, the game itself just simply licks the sweat off a dead donkey's dry salty ballsack.
It's no wonder they're charging $20 for the Mercenary Pack, because that's the most money they'll be able to extract from people who've yet to play the game. A majority of people will end up disgusted and only a small minority, even smaller than the niche gamers in MAG and S8P will stick with this game simply due to it being a free game and possibly out of pure boredom. Once the final product releases on PSN, people will download, try it out and most will never touch it again. That's the single biggest reason they released the Mercenary pack, to milk all the eager and optimistic and people who like me, think this game has huge potential.
Unless the gameplay is seriously overhalled FROM SCRATCH, this game will fail within months of release. The ONLY thing that'll keep this game alive in the long term is the fact that it's free, which will entice the players with the absolute lowest of standards and that market alone.
I sincerely wanted this game to conquer and succeed, but the fact is the gameplay just ain't fun.. although it has the scope and potential to be, it SO does! that's why I'm so genuinely disappointed.
So from me, goodbye and good riddance.
Bai *****, won't need you on the battlefield to win our wars anyway. Quit crying and man up you superficial ****.
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Antilles Maximus
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
80
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Posted - 2012.07.29 16:25:00 -
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CCP must not work weekends. How long is this ridiculous thread going to go before it's locked? |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.07.29 16:27:00 -
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Vicx V wrote:*** Long Rant ***
Some of what you said are probably valid grievances. Had this been a final release.
I feel I have to say this though: This is... |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.07.29 16:36:00 -
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So because it's a beta just assume everything will be fine. Because Dust will be the only MMOFPS.... Oh wait.... There's about 5 really good ones comming? Choices choices. Dust is the obvious choice if you play EvE. Which is very few ps3 owners. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.29 16:38:00 -
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Antilles Maximus wrote:CCP must not work weekends. How long is this ridiculous thread going to go before it's locked?
There's a few "I aM tHe BeSt PlAyEr In dUsT EvUhR" threads that didn't get locked so I doubt this one will since it has some valid points in it, somewhere, hidden in the cesspool of retardation and hatred. |
Brandon Madullier2
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
2
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Posted - 2012.07.29 16:39:00 -
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let me redirect you to a good post that explains what CCP does https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=28858&find=unread |
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Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.07.29 16:39:00 -
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JaZZa01 wrote:I promise you there are hundreds of threads with legitimate criticism and ideas to fix the game, that are buried 50 pages back. All the developers will read is the first few pages, full of "DUST APPRECIATION", "GREAT JOB CCP, LOOKIN FORWARD TO IT" threads, which the silly players continue to reinforce, overlooking the big problems.
There is a difference you are forgetting.
The appreciative comments are the ones applauding progress. And there have been a lot of that. But criticism comes in many forms, and the threads that want DUST to be more like other, old games, are generally not to be taken seriously at all. Not that DUST can't learn from their successes and failures, it should, but the entire foundation of DUST is just too alien for it to be like CoD, BF, Halo or other existing games.
DUST is the first FPS that have made me laugh, smile, frown and rage. Inside a minute.
I was bored with CoD after an hour. An hour of really trying. |
Alkai Chromision
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.07.29 16:40:00 -
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Chihiro Itto wrote:[ETC.....] For example, any game running on console that desires to pack in infantry and vehicle combat with high player numbers in very large environments is unlikely to be pushing the graphical envelope in any way. I'm disappointed in the graphics myself, at present at least, but having played the game I can live with it. If you can't, fair enough, but at least realise some of the constraints behind the elements you object to.
Nicely put. Good points and true. Despite that, the OP does have some valid points. Humans are emotional. It happens. Rather than discern the focus of the topic and discuss valid constructivism, the "supporters" only want to post about their blind love for this software, offering nothing to enrich the topic, only immaturity to degrade it. Here i'm contributing nothing as well, but wanted to commend a respectable post. More of which is needed to make some progress, for or against the game. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.29 16:42:00 -
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Brandon Madullier2 wrote:
From that same thread:
Quote:If you want to help out however keep leaving feedback on the things that are broken
Calling everything shite falls in that category somewhat |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2012.07.29 16:44:00 -
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Lay off your panic buttons, folks. This is still the E3 build we're playing, and it was a radical improvement in both graphics and gameplay over the previous version. If the final version is even half as much of an improvement over this, the game should be plenty competitive with other shooters. (Not that I'm expecting it to be the best looking or smoothest controlling shooter on the market.)
I don't understand these threads at all. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to play this beta. Go play something else if you hate it so much. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.07.29 16:48:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:So because it's a beta just assume everything will be fine. Because Dust will be the only MMOFPS.... Oh wait.... There's about 5 really good ones comming? Choices choices. Dust is the obvious choice if you play EvE. Which is very few ps3 owners.
Who said that?
I know, no one did.
DUST is in BETA, and CCP relies on people playing it, testing it, doing great things, and outright stupid things in it. And the rely on the testers to report the good, and the bad. DUST will be fine, only if testers do their JOB. Yes, I said JOB. You are allowed in to an early beta test, a beta that as far as I know are unlike anything previously seen on a console, namely something that is a lot further away from release than most other console "betas" I've heard of. For that privilege, you are expected to give feedback and criticism, and in return for that, you may influence the final direction of the game.
Knowing CCP, for good and bad alike, I currently give them the benefit of the doubt, believing that DUST will be great. Great for people who are willing to spend more than a few minutes setting up their gear and can live with never knowing or being able to do everything in the game. I also think there are more players like that than most think there are. |
Alkai Chromision
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.07.29 16:50:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:JaZZa01 wrote:I promise you there are hundreds of threads with legitimate criticism and ideas to fix the game, that are buried 50 pages back. All the developers will read is the first few pages, full of "DUST APPRECIATION", "GREAT JOB CCP, LOOKIN FORWARD TO IT" threads, which the silly players continue to reinforce, overlooking the big problems. There is a difference you are forgetting. The appreciative comments are the ones applauding progress. And there have been a lot of that. But criticism comes in many forms, and the threads that want DUST to be more like other, old games, are generally not to be taken seriously at all. Not that DUST can't learn from their successes and failures, it should, but the entire foundation of DUST is just too alien for it to be like CoD, BF, Halo or other existing games. DUST is the first FPS that have made me laugh, smile, frown and rage. Inside a minute. I was bored with CoD after an hour. An hour of really trying.
Not all criticisms want a game to be like CoD or BF, or MoH, or any others. I wanted to like this game because it was different. I'm great at CoD, good at BF3, was great a Homefront..... I wanted this game because it was different and I wanted it to be. We don't need more of the same. There will be more CoD and more BF no question. My qualms with the game are all gameplay related. Not graphics, not because there's no throwing knives or killstreaks, or anything else. There are valid points for and against the game, for me the pros don't outweigh the cons. And these forums are for those who have tested this product to voice their opinions. Not to voice there opinions on a finished product but to voice their opinions on a beta. So then why are people upset because other people have an opinion on a beta? |
Chihiro Itto
66
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Posted - 2012.07.29 16:51:00 -
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Alkai Chromision wrote:Nicely put. Good points and true. Despite that, the OP does have some valid points. Humans are emotional. It happens. Rather than discern the focus of the topic and discuss valid constructivism, the "supporters" only want to post about their blind love for this software, offering nothing to enrich the topic, only immaturity to degrade it. Here i'm contributing nothing as well, but wanted to commend a respectable post. More of which is needed to make some progress, for or against the game.
Thank you. I did agree with at least one of the OP's points, but also pointed out why it might not be one that much could be done about in reality. I have plenty of criticisms myself, but probably most or all have been already been brought up by others. At this point I'm just waiting for the next build.
CCP do need to be more communicative with the community on what issues/suggestions they do and don't intend to work on, and they have said as much, although we also need to realise that this can't be an entirely transparent process.
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Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
145
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Posted - 2012.07.29 16:52:00 -
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If I didn't know better, I'd almost suspect we're not playing the final release version of the game... OH WAIT.[/quote]Obama DAT wrote:WORK IN PROGRESS CLAP ClAP CLAP YES! 'clap clap clap' yourselves for reacting emotionally like butthurt fanboys and ignoring my point, instead jumping straight to the "but it's still in testing derp!" response.
Even BEFORE you get to the beta testing stage, the seriously terrible gameplay would've been ringing alarm bells in ANYONE who had any decent experience with FPSs in the alpha stage. I know what beta is, and by the beta stage they know exactly what they're doing, so to see such terrible gameplay mechanics at this stage of development either means they either have no faith in their product or they'll just slaving away to break into the FPS market to supplement their EVE universe. It honestly makes no sense how it can be this bad at this later stage of development.
EnglishSnake wrote:Graphics make a game good? lolno look at BF3 and that pile of shite which is constantly getting patched and made worse where its a twitch shooter to the max and everything else is made of paper Yes BF3 does have a shitload of problems, but despite that at least the gameplay overall is SOLID and performs well, both on an infantry and vehicle aspect.
Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Its the only FPS I gotz so I have nothing to compare it too but I'm loving it and cant wait till we have those long running skirmish maps that roll on from one objective to the next. THIS is a perfect example of how I said in my first post that only the players with the absolute lowest of standards will be the ones still playing this in the long term, because they simply wouldn't know any better or just don't have any standards.
Seriously, stop taking this offensively, listen objectively, I'm trying to make a valid point that if taken seriously might improve the game. I'm not here to hurl random insults and mindless abuse, I do not troll.[/quote]
@ Vikx : Your last sentence seems contradictory to the actual message that is being hurled by you. Funny. Do you ever listen to yourself with out having a bunch of "yes-men" around you stroking your pecker?
If you don't like what is being presented, then why do you persist in 1) playing the beta if it is SO BAD, 2) even continue to post on the forums, 3) continue to annoy those of us that actually enjoy the game, its complexity, and the available life span that it is so clearly displaying to us. Freedom of choice ids an amazing thing. You can CHOOSE to be apart of it, or you can CHOOSE NOT TO. So make a choice.
Personally, I have my issues with the game play, and I am no rooky to FPS's. I have been playing them probably before you were even born, beginning with the original Doom and Wolfenstein (circa 1986-1988). I have more hours logged into FPS's than I did in the military (5 years in the Army). I will not disagree with the fact that the game is not perfect, YET. Then again , from my conversations with EVE players, neither was EVE in it's infancy. Yet, unlike BF3, BFBC2, COD, or any of those other money pits, this will have a life span of several years, if not decades, due to CCP's drive to continuously evolve, grow, and improve their products along with the experience that is being provided to their communities. This is very different than the mentality behind Activision, Electronic Arts, and every other developer out there that is just trying to sell a single run game, minimize support, and maximize profits (i.e., they don't give a sh*t about their communities except for pillaging them).
AGAIN, if you don't like it, get off our NUTS. IF you want to be a constructive member of this community, be exactly that, constructive.
Expectations are very much like assumptions: they are those actions that become the birthing place of all f*ckups and issues. Or as my grand mother and father would say, they are like opinions; they are like as*holes, everyone has one and they ALL STINK> Every time you have an expectation or you assume anything, you are bound to be disappointed. So try hard not to do either. It would be better for the heart.
I should know because even I continue to have my hopes about this game and it's mechanics (expectations and assumptions) and I have moments that I am very disappointed (MY OWN FAULT, not just the sole fault of CCP). This is their first FPS, and I have to say they are doing a great job considering this fact and the idea that they want to produce a lasting experience that is part of an even larger universe.
That is sure as sh*t a hell of a lot more than the previously mentioned developers have ever tried to do, let alone accomplish.
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Entruv
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.07.29 16:56:00 -
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I did not read all the comments but it's a ******* beta bro chill out. Those are the last things to be implemented.
Oh ya thanks for leaving. |
Ire's thug
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
272
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Posted - 2012.07.29 17:03:00 -
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/lock Troll filled Troll thread?
Edit: A Very articulate troll thread... but Stiiiilll a troll thread. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.07.29 17:12:00 -
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They need to make a new term for fake betas. Delta Builds! Where its more of a demo than a beta. |
UnclS2
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
6
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Posted - 2012.07.29 17:16:00 -
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Just on a side note, did anyone play the BF3 open beta???
What a bloody mess that was, no comms, horrable lag and players constantly falling through the map or glitching under it.
At launch..........comms so bad they were useless
The improvments made in DUST from the last build to this one are encouraging. After all we have solid ground to walk on and working chat I agree that work still needs to be done but at the same time it's a work in progress so there you have it.
Looking forward to the next build |
Josh Bennett
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.29 17:26:00 -
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I don't think even this Beta stage is the worst FPS ever. A bit generic maybe, but there is still a lot of fun to be had. The fact that it is still a Beta means there is work yet to be done. I love Battlefield 3 right now, but the Beta version of that game I played was terrible! The final product was worlds better than the Beta, and even convinced friends of mine that wrote off the game because the Beta was bad. Since the game is going to be free, I would suggest holding off judgement until you can at least try the finished game, for free. |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.07.29 17:37:00 -
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I have a question for you guys: what makes you think that Dust will become a completely different game without any of the issues we have now? What is that you see that we "Dust 514 perplexed" don't? |
des polo
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.07.29 17:41:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:I have a question: what makes you think guys that Dust 54 2ill become a completely different game without any of the issues we have now? Dude look at eve the Very first build looks nothing like its current one, so chances are Dust will be the same. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.07.29 17:42:00 -
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Case in point http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EVEHistory/2000.06_Orion.jpg eve's first build.
Eve's current build http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kED11aGobUk |
StormForce64
11
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Posted - 2012.07.29 17:46:00 -
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You all have too much time on you hands and are repeating yourselves and others. The game has flaws and highlights. We all know this. It makes no sense predicting its failure or success. Just write about what you think is a plus or minus and leave it to the developers to fix. It is their game, their vision. It is nether good nor bad. No need to rage or defend. I've written about flaws and I still play. Not because I think it's the best or going to be the best, but it's fun to help something improve. I beta tested BF3 and that had serious flaws (falling "through" the map was particularly annoying). I and others commented. The game came out and still had issues. So, I didn't play it. I moved on to another game. Dust beta is better than the BF3 beta, to me; but still have problems including it is unmatched, unballanced, unfair to newer players, too many weapon variations , etc.; but it will be free with a background history, details and customization, and interact with the Eve Universe, which is unprecedented. So let us get off our high horses and either get back into the game or move on. Either way, I will Play! |
Thick McRun Fast
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2012.07.29 17:49:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:I have a question: what makes you think Dust 54 2ill become a completely different game without any of the issues we have now? We will have issues. Its pretty ignorant to think it wont. BUT. Unlike other main stream shooters that may get a few purchasable download contents and a few bug fixes. Dust will receive full content patches roughly twice a year of its existence not including tweaks and bug patches being available as often as necessary. It may not be a completely different game at release, but every year we can expect big changes to evolve it. Specially as it starts to interact with EvE more. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.29 17:51:00 -
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des polo wrote:Templar Two wrote:I have a question: what makes you think guys that Dust 54 2ill become a completely different game without any of the issues we have now? Dude look at eve the Very first build looks nothing like its current one, so chances are Dust will be the same.
That's true, this game is gonna be HUGE...10 years from now. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.07.29 17:53:00 -
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Thick McRun Fast wrote:Templar Two wrote:I have a question: what makes you think Dust 54 2ill become a completely different game without any of the issues we have now? We will have issues. Its pretty ignorant to think it wont. BUT. Unlike other main stream shooters that may get a few purchasable download contents and a few bug fixes. Dust will receive full content patches roughly twice a year of its existence not including tweaks and bug patches being available as often as necessary. It may not be a completely different game at release, but every year we can expect big changes to evolve it. Specially as it starts to interact with EvE more.
exactly, but you can only keep telling these people that cause they come from a COD or BF background where they havent experienced the awesomeness of regular updates instead of a **** company trying to squeeze every last penny out of your pocket
You guys dont know it yet, but your blessed that CCP is the dev team behind this game... |
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